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Religious feelings about opiates

^^Yes I am a massive psychedelic fan and have had more trips than I would like to remember. That being said, you can't wake up and take 2c-i when in real pain. I understand where you are coming from though trust me :)
To each his/her own!
 
If Opium were human, how would s/he look?

As an undergraduate majoring in dance, I choreographed a piece to the "Viens, Malika!" duet from Lakme. The thrillingly lush duet for soprano and mezzo tells the story of a temple dancer and her beloved servant planning together to row a small boat down the river to gather flowers. The choreography depicted the achingly sad romance between Opium and a user -- Opium gives Her love so freely, delighting the user. Opium's love, however, is maddeningly temporary: at dawn, She leaves the user who must then woo Her back again.
For the role of Opium, I chose a breathtaking beauty named Heather whom I had secretly desired for a year. Soft, curling, shoulder-length brown hair framed her oval face, flawless as an ivory and pink porcelain doll's, and matched her large expressive brown eyes. A perfect amount of female fullness haloed her slender, lithe body. Pastel flowers crowned her hair and nestled in her small, teasing bosom. Her floor-length, full, empire-waisted brown gown of silk chiffon floated behind her as she moved. Behind my closed eyes, Opium has ever since worn her face and body. If Opium could incarnate as human, how would S/he appear to you?
 
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If Opium were a girl she would be a very seductive and sexy girl who would bring you in the warmth and make you feel good then slowly suck your life away like the bitch she is. Haha
 
No god

As much as I love heroin there is no way I could consider it as anything remotely religious or divine. The depths that heroin can cause people to drop to cannot be seen as anything heavenly or god like.
People stealing,selling their bodies,destroying families and individuals lives go some cases would not I am sure offer them a feeling of a higher being looking after their welfare.
Its nice but that's about it.
 
I wouldn't call it religious, there's no sense of connection to a god, or a higher power.

I'd definitely say that opiates can have a spiritual feel to them. Not a sense of revelation, as in psychedelics, but rather one of peace and contentment, of happiness in and appreciation for the here and now. They're the closest thing to a panacea that humanity has found, not just a cure for physical ills but also for mental and spiritual ills. They bring a sense of peace that borders on divine, and the warm glow that encompasses you is almost reminiscent of a heaven we've never experienced.

"Oh! just, subtle, and mighty opium! that to the hearts of poor and rich alike, for the wounds that will never heal, and for 'the pangs that tempt the spirit to rebel,' bringest an assuaging balm; eloquent opium! that with thy potent rhetoric stealest away the purposes of wrath; and to the guilty man, for one night givest back the hopes of his youth, and hands washed pure of blood...."

The euphoria that opiates grant just feels natural and real in a way completely unlike any other drug.
 
I would love to go to church on opiates. Unfortunately they don't allow smoking in there, so I would end up nodding out on the stoop out front of it.
 
Sweetsomniferum said:
In a "prayer" that I composed for Opium, I call Her the "Crown of Creation". How amazing is Her presence on Earth, how profoundly mysterious that the alchemy of sun, rain, soil, and humanity's long dance with Her can result in something so beautiful to the eye and so sweetly exhilarating when consumed. Her existence is as awe inspiring and humbling as the great redwoods; She is as generous with Her bounteous gifts, and as swift and merciless in Her destructive power, as the oceans that nourish and once cradled us.
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When you type like this something inside me has an immediate negative reaction. I love opiates but this is ridiculous.
 
Crankinit said:
The euphoria that opiates grant just feels natural and real in a way completely unlike any other drug.
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I completely agree with this. Even in the sense that with other drugs there is a crash or a come-down, but with opiates its just a gentle drift back to reality (before the WDs kick in obviously!)
 
And the fact that it's possible to use opiates more or less indefinitely as long as you have a regular supply. There's no long term toxicity, and most of the side effects are fairly minor physical problems that can be handled with ease. The only real problem that results from opiate use is overdose, withdrawals and the question of ensuring a constant supply to prevent them. As opposed to other highly euphoric drugs like cocaine, amphetamines or similar, which cause a host of unavoidable physical and psychological problems.
 
maxalfie said:
As much as I love heroin there is no way I could consider it as anything remotely religious or divine. The depths that heroin can cause people to drop to cannot be seen as anything heavenly or god like.
People stealing,selling their bodies,destroying families and individuals lives go some cases would not I am sure offer them a feeling of a higher being looking after their welfare.
Its nice but that's about it.
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So opiates make normal people into thieving, family-destroying prostitutes. Yeah, it can be true, but this has more to do with availability and cost than anything else. I know a pain patient who has been taking opiates as prescribed for years and he definitely gets high, but had never been through withdrawal because he doesn't increase his dose or fuck around, and will probably be able to comfortably maintain this for the rest of his life.

I've seen a great friend, one of the most grounded people I know, eat a half eighth of shrooms for the second time ever (having had an amazing epiphany-filled trip a few weeks before) and completely flip out, destroying his bedroom, yelling, threatening us, etc. I've also seen one of my best friends take a couple hits of acid, having tripped dozens of times before, and become completely psychotic for the next eight or so hours. Both individuals had had "spiritual" experiences with psychedelics before these incidents and I think both would attribute the bad trips to something, set/setting or neurochemical balances, simply going wrong those days.

The bottom line: drugs are drugs, spirituality is spirituality, and they only overlap if you want them to.
 
opiates are my god.
opiates help you get through tough times. Opiates make you feel good while times may be tough. Opiates are my best friend when i am lonely. Opiates are what i live for. Opiates mean the world to me, and god bless you if you get between me and them.

I think opiates honestly are the devil though. The way they make you feel in withdrawals. The way you find out you are in a committed relationship without any warning.

Opiates are gods creation, that the devil got his hands on.
 
dude, you are idealizing this whole thing way too much. wake up.

opiates are great. they are a gift from nature that should be regarded with respect.
They are not unfair, in the fact that they bring withdrawal after the high, they are a greater teacher than other drugs which let you get off scot-free.
 
The_Jesus said:
I love opiates but I don't see them as a "divine gift" or anything like that. Maybe weed and shrooms, but definitely not opiates.
If they were really a gift from god they wouldn't have such a shitty withdrawal.
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Man i know exactly what you mean.

When i first started doing opiates they most definitely held a feminine divinity about them. I thought of them as heavenly gifts. Then i started using everyday, and one day inevitably was forced to withdraw, and well once you withdraw, all that heavenly gift shit, it all takes on the exact opposite face when you're in the face of withdrawal, and you realise opiates are fucking worlds away from being some devine gift. lol.

DMT, Psilocybin, Mescaline maybe. But in my humble opinion i don't think opiates are this. Of course opiates can also be of huge relief to people in pain, but most prolonged use of opiates only ends in a shitty addiction and wasted time.

I don't mean to come off like anti-opiates or anything. I love them, but theres a huge trade-off to be made unless you're one of the type who can manage to just not get addicted, and like yeah, i challenge anyone to still think opiates are devine gifts while they're in acute withdrawal. Kinda slams you back down to reality fast, and you learn that much pleasure for no tradeoff just isnt realistic. Most definitely is a deal too good to be true at the start, but you soon learn.
 
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