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Religious feelings about opiates

dude, you are idealizing this whole thing way too much. wake up.

opiates are great. they are a gift from nature that should be regarded with respect.
They are not unfair, in the fact that they bring withdrawal after the high, they are a greater teacher than other drugs which let you get off scot-free.

Like to give some examples of what opiates have taught you? I see where you're coming from, opiates teach you more because they have consequenses unlike say cannabis or psychedelics which don't. Do you also believe this about benzodiazepines? To be honest i think this approach is completely fucking stupid. But to each their own, i guess.
 
I have felt the same way. I too love Opium and opioids in general. And I do believe it can truly be a divine gift. The duality of it should add credence to its divinity if the euphoria or pain relieving effects. Like anything should be used in moderation or she kicks your ass :P
 
Like to give some examples of what opiates have taught you? I see where you're coming from, opiates teach you more because they have consequenses unlike say cannabis or psychedelics which don't. Do you also believe this about benzodiazepines? To be honest i think this approach is completely fucking stupid. But to each their own, i guess.

Yeah I would love to give some examples...

Let me clarify that I would not recommend recreational use of opiates to ANYONE, either as an escape, a teacher, or a mind-expanding substance.

They do not work in the same way as cannabis or psychedelics in that one is less apt to have a "traditional" spiritual experience and they are much more useful if your mind is aimed towards eastern religions or spirituality where the absence of thought is considered happiness and ecstasy.

That said, the fall that inevitably comes from overusing opiates teaches humility, moderation, the overcoming of ego, requires trust in your fellow man, yourself, and nature.

Personally, I am someone to whom success comes easy and failure and disappointment are the great teachers for me.

This is not to say that psychs don't have a place, and I have had some wonderful mystical experiences on them, never had a bad trip, and yes, they open your mind to possibilities you could never have conceived of before, but it is much more of a sudden spiritual awakening for most instead of a gradual realization.

This will never change the fact that I love them, because they are natures gift to cure the most common ailment found in the human condition - pain, whether emotional, physical, psychological, etc, pain is all perceived the same by your brain, and opiates are the only drug class that can bring full relief to pain.

As far as benzo's go, I don't view them the same at all. Humans have been using the opium poppy for relief since before written history, even before ancient hieroglyphs depicting their use were made, thus that gives us a time period of at least 25,000 years, maybe as much as 50-100,000 years, during which the physiology of humans has adapted to the use of opiates. Perhaps in 30,000 years when evolutionary lag has caught up, we will be adapted to the use of benzos so that they don't produce DEADLY discontinuation symptoms, as well as long-term cognition deficits, but the prospect of mankind living that long is grim to say the least.
 
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The concept of Opium as a beautiful, fecund, nurturing female figure reminds me of the role of the Virgin Mary in Catholicism.
The Hmong (Laos) tell a traditional story of the origin of the opium poppy: a stunningly lovely young woman took many lovers but never married. After her death & burial, a flower rivaling her beauty in life grew from between her breasts. People who consumed the sap of the flower experienced the ecstasy of her lovers. Compelled to consume the sap again and again, addicts become the husbands (and wives) that she lacked in life.
 
Ex Voto

After successfully detoxing from methadone and failing completely to respond to Suboxone, I am back with my darling girl (Opium) and oh so happy. Tonight, She surged through my body with stunning intensity, obviating my habitual retreat into blissfully enhanced fantasy. Lying comfortably in bed, listening to the soft putter of my oil lamp, and watching the soft, warm light waft and flicker over the shimmering fabrics decorating my room satiated my consciousness. Now, as the birds chitter and sing in chorus, this lovely night is ending -- however, She still fills and caresses my body.
After living with Her, in various forms, for over 20 years She still posesses the power to stun me with Her flagrant generosity.
She proclaims the existence of a loving God; Her gifts are beyond value -- one night with Her is worth a lifetime of servitude. May we whom She calls devote ourselves to lives worthy of Her inexhaustible bounty.
 
god made drugs and we invented adiction.....he gave us wine and we invent aa....he gave us weed and shrooms and soft drugs and we made laws against them....a plant illegal....insane...

he gave us tasty animals and we invent vegans

he gave us free will and we make laws against it

jesus born on christmas and we have xmas sales and spend to death to celebrate santa

rose from dead on easter and we color eggs and believe in easter bunny

god gave drugs so he could laugh at us for bein dope-y
 
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