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Regional Heroin Discussion v. Sweet Sixteen (v16)

Personally I think that stat means fuck all. Is someone not gonna try to give up gear cos apparently only 4% ever succeed.
Only a small percentage of kids that play football will ever become Premiership players,does that mean that they shouldn't try?
You may be ok money wise with your payments from yr mum but Ructions has already been in trouble over not paying her rent cos her cash was going on gear,it was only the start of the drought that saved her from losing her home.
 
yes maxlife but who's to say what will happen next week, month, year. its not a number a made up it comes from dozens of research projects - before you knock it try doing your own research.
Hey I'm all for Ruct's being able to kick it for good and wishh her all the best but its just being pragmatic, just look at your own user friends how many of them have stopped completly?
As for money i get a small amount from an inheritence every month that isnt a huge amount but given all my salary goes to a joint a'c, that i have no access to cos my wife wont trust me with money for obvious reasons.
 
My flatmate for one has given up the gear and not touched it in 3 years.He could even sit in a room while I had a toot and he wouldn't get tempted.
You say that you have a joint bank account but that your wife doesn't allow you access to it so I would say that would suggest that you do not have 'it' under control as you suggested.
Not knocking you mate, if you are happy to carry on using that's fine, who am I or anyone else to judge you.
I think anyone that wants to quit should be given all the encouragement possible not stats saying only 4% succeed.
You only need to read the TDS posts to see how many people are not happy with an opiate habit so any help even if it's just posts on a thread may help to increase the quitting success rate.
I've done over 11 years on the gear and I never thought I'd be able to quit but I am determined to never use again.
A toot of gear or a can of beer or glass of scotch in the evening is not gonna make my life better in any way whatsoever.
Most folk eventually reach a point in their habit where they have just had enough for a variety of reasons. You don't see many old addicts cos they either died or got off the gear.
 
@maxalfie, I appreciate what you say but the facts are its less than 5% quit. Probably down to the fucked up system that treats one addiction with another. I believe far higher success rates are achieved with dm scripts, which they don't want us to have. The government is happy having us shackled to the town we live in picking a meth script up twice a week or whatever. They know where we are, and where we are going to be. Loads by me who quit have ended up piss heads, getting shit faced on ale every night. That just ain't for me!

But anyway good luck ructions, if you don't try you'll never be one of the 4-5%, I've accepted that I'm in the 95 unfortunately, to the disgust of the mrs who is saying gear is all I think about nowadays. I've not changed though, I just don't know what she thought I was thinking about for the last 13 years!!
 
As long as you make it so your habit is about as central to your existence as your dad's coupla stiff ones are to his, no reason you can't stay with the life, blondin. It's only when peeps let their entire lives revolve around the drug that they risk losing sight of their identity.


The 4% figure refers to those who stay off completely. If you change a hit every hour to a hit every fortnight, you'd still be among the 96%. But only a lunatic would think it failure.
 
But could someone who's had a habit and done a turkey have a hit every fortnight or month or whatever, personally that was my downfall. I'd been off everything for about 4 month and one week stopped taking naltrexone knowing that I wanted a hit on the Thursday, just the one mind you..

The rest I think you can guess
 
having my wife holding thge money is PART of the controll...there are plenty of older users but most of them have managed to get some type of controll - i use to have a needle fixation and would bang up anything, now if i cant score i just take my 'done the madness that use to come with my addiction has gone i dont have the daily overwhelming urge to use.
AS for not taking anything to make your life better - thats not the point is it? its to have a feeling of bliss not to 'make your life better'. As for 4% there is no reason why Ruct's cant be in that cohort.
 
I'm also sure that Ructs could be part of that 4% but if she can't at the moment then it doesn't really matter.
We all know that you can only really quit when you are truly ready to and not because you feel you owe it to somebody to do it or any other reasons.
I have nothing against folk who still enjoy using as I'm the last person to be able to criticise anyone for doing gear.
I do know though that I've never met someone that has quit the gear and then turned around and said that they wish they were still an addict.
Each to their own is my belief so please don't feel like I am saying people should stop using,everyone should do what they enjoy.
 
Well I made it through the weekend with out scoring!!! YIP~EEEeeeee......!!! Its a step in the right direction. I don't know if I'm in the right frame of mind to stop using forever, but I'd like to take a break till xmas! Since I've started college I'm only working 2 days and 1 evening a week so money is very very tight!!! I was starting to get into debt with rent and bills again so I had to stop scoring before my debt got serious again, its always money that stops me using.

I don't have much spare cash so I can't afford to score. In an ideal world I'd love to be able to score some GOOD gear just once a month, I'd love that!!! BUT in the real world there is not good gear, there is only ok gear. And its very hard to only score once a month, cravings normally take over!

I'm worried yet interested to see why the Drug Treatment Centre Board what to see me next week? My appointment is with a Psychiatrist, maybe it will be good to talk to a psychiatrist? Ummm.... I wonder??? I had a bit of a messed up childhood, as a result I suffer from really bad anxiety. I've suffered from anxiety for as long as I remember! As a young child I didn't know what anxiety was? But I had it ALL of the time and I hated the feeling. Sometimes I suffer from depressed as well, but that hasn't been as bad in the last few years. Heroin was the only thing that ever got rid of my anxiety & depression, but since the drought my an anxiety has gone through the roof again and depression is creeping back in. Any time I mention my anxiety to my Doctor he looks away and acts all awkward. I know that he is thinking that I'm a junky so he is not gonna give me tablets, he won't even talk to me about my anxiety!

I've been with that same Doctor for 20 years, I went to him long before I turned to heroin. Back then I told him about my past and about my anxiety & depression. He gave me antidepressant tablets but they didn't work, so he tried a different brand & they didn't work. Three years went by & I was getting much worse so I ended up turning to heroin. I've explained all this to my Doctor but he looks at me blankly. I've told him that I often think about going back to using heroin daily coz its the only thing that helps me. But he just says if I do that then I'll lose my take-away methadone script (he knows I need take-away coz of my job) But he doesn't offer me any help for my anxiety any-more, he offered me help before I was a heroin user, but now I don't seem to deserve any help.

I showed my Doctor the letter that I got from the Drug Treatment Centre Board, he knew nothing about it. So he didn't even set that up for me. But hopefully some good will come out of it!

I know of two people who were chronic heroin addicts, one of them has been off gear and methadone for 15 years & the other has been off gear for 5 years, and he only takes 10mls of methadone a day. They are still going strong, they say they will never touch gear again! They say that they don't even miss the stuff! I'd love to be like that some day! But for now I'm just gonna try get to xmas, BUT if the gear was to REALLY improve in Dublin then I don't think I'd find it so easy to stay away from it......
 
thattoh said:
. They know where we are, and where we are going to be. Loads by me who quit have ended up piss heads, getting shit faced on ale every night. That just ain't for me!
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I know about 30/40 folk in my city maybe more that have been L/T Heroin Addicts then got on Methadone or more recently Subutex & are know fuked up or dead from Alcohol .
They are off their Methadone though:|
 
Why do some people cross over? I do believe in addictive personalities, but yet why not go back to the heroin, why booze?
 
That's the madness of prohibition, you're allowed to spend money and can buy can after can of fermented vegetable matter that kills your liver and is toxic to the body yet you can't legally maintain a habit with your opiate of choice. The only problem is prohibition and the price inflation that derived from it.
 
pontifex01 said:
Anybody else notice how the junkie mentality completely permeates this thread? No discussions about anything bar the quality of the smack that has just been scored, nobody reads anybody else's posts/bothers to reply, etc. I'm guilty of it too lol I just find it hilarious. I wish I was high on smack right now and didn't feel the manic need to ramble.
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nah it's not like that at all mate . it's pretty civilised i rekon

It is The Heroin Thread n all so what do you expect. When someone has a ? it is usually answered quite quickly .
 
The main thing that's keeping me from using at the moment is simply my girlfriend and our unborn child. If i was on my own then chances are I'd be back using.

Ructions - i know just where you're at with the Dr. I've been getting SO frustrated with mine lately for the same reasons. When i give up opiates/cannabis i get a backlash of depression and anxiety so off i go to ask for help. What do they give me? Anti-depressants, which seem to be generally quite shit. I'm starting to just think that meds of any kind aren't worth pursuing to any great degree because once you're a heroin user you get next to no chance of having an adult conversation with the doc about treating anxiety or pain. They really just can't get their heads around the idea that we were, most likely, self-medicating and so would benefit from similar meds in a formalised prescription.

Lately I'm just trying to calm myself down with more positive thoughts and breathing techniques. It's just so so easy to believe that ithe 'cure' has to come from something external - very much a user perspective. Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking down on anyone, I'm just trying my damnedest to live sober and not pass on a fucked up system of coping with difficult emotions.
 
@Ructions, well done mate on resisting the temptation to use. I found that each time I had the will to resist using that my willpower just got stronger & stronger.
The longer I went without using the easier it became not to use.
Even if you can just keep it up until Xmas,think of all that extra cash you will have for presents and food etc.
Well done girl, I'm pleased for you.
 
i got 1/2 an oxy left , smoked the last of my gear this morning and snornted the other 1/2 this avo - took 60mg of 'done just now and a blue and will take the other 1/2 oxy tomorrow morning. getting some more wed so just about hanging in there. BUT no cash till decemebr so no gear for a week or so.
 
I feel for you mate, the fact of knowing you've got no money makes it worse, I'd sooner have money and not be able to score than be skint knowing there's gear there.
 
not sure if quality going down or tolerance going up, probably a bit of both, but my regular isn't hitting the spot as much anymore.

£17.50 for just over 0.2, goes down a bit for multiple bags. light brown stuff looks the same as few weeks ago but not feeling as good.

at my local needle exchange today there was a warning about gear in hackney, a user reported that he smoked/shot half a ten bag and ended up frantically cleaning, put his shoes in the fridge (?) plus other weird stuff and was found passed out. said it cooked up clear, and was from his regular guy. anyone else see this message? be careful.
 
sounds like a benzo cut - alprozepam maybe there was stuff like this at the beginjing of the drought
 
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