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Regional Heroin Discussion v. Sweet Sixteen (v16)

I scored in Dublin to-day & things have gone down-hill again :( I couldn't get weight so i had to get €20 bags. Its a really weird dark grey colour, as usual it 'looks' & burns perfect on the foil. But there is very little taste off it & there is no stone, story of my life.....

I'd been so looking forward to scoring to-day, i've had a poxey week & thinking about scoring to-day was the only thing keeping me going, but yet again the gear is a let down. The gear is better then what was around this time last year, but its not a patch on what was around before the drought. Head wreck!!! :!
 
pontifex01 said:
Yes the brown dissolves in cold water too (not completely nor nearly as quickly as #4 white obviously). It most usually comes in rock/hard clump form, the colour varying from greyish-brown to light brown. Purity levels vary in the North from 5% (only got that once) to 20-25% maaayyybee but average at 10-15%, so basically shite. The solution is very clear yes, completely transparent and nearly colourless. Btw this refers to northern Italy (specifically Milan, but it isn't the H capital of the north, don't know what else is available elsewhere in the North but all Milan dealers stock very similar shit).

The tar can only be found in southern Italy, where both the brown and the tar are much higher purity (30-40 % ) and the purity is far more consistent (the presence of the mafia is more felt and it's a tighter-knit community with fewer dealers than a big city, so reputation is very important for both reasons). Tar obviously requires heat, the brown is also different, more on the grey side than actual brown.

I'm inclined to agree with blondin's hypothesis, both due to the presence of tar on the market and because Italian - South American mafia links are very strong, so it'd make perfect sense that we get our H from there, and it would also explain the less refined look of the smack in general ("China White" is nothing more than an urban myth).

What doesn't make sense to me is why the UK doesn't get their shit from South America too. Central Europe/Eastern Europe I can understand because once it's in Turkey well the job's practically done, but it doesn't make sense logistically that you guys get it from central Asia...

[Edit] blondin re-read your post, and the tar and the brown are definitely totally different (besides appearance which can be pinned down to different cuts) - the actual stone + taste when IV'd are very different - tar in particular. A friend of mine in the South who has been shooting for 20+ years also confirms this.
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Where in Italia are you roughly ?
i have stayed in the south where the gear was cheap n poverty was prevalent . In the South it's like a different thing , when i was their you could get cheap gear called Cheese , it was cut with cocaine but it was for smoking on the foil.
Of course you could get real Heroin but i was poor so i usually had this stuff.
In The North the gear wasn't as good n more expensive but i didn't spend long enuff to get a proper connect.

Southern Italy is a place that rarely if ever suffers from a drought !
 
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pinkpapaver said:
bless, i just had a quick look at the mephedrone thread, just like us they go on about pre ban meph like we go on about pre drought gear.
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Haha yeah well spotted. Doubt it's quite the same mind:\

StoneHappyMonday said:
I've been waiting for someone to say that for ages. Had to be you. :)

Cute ain't it.
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Cute , yeah that was the word i was after lol!
 
The coke/smack mix is quite an established product among Southern Mediterranean users. Called, if I remember right, something like revueltas in Spain, where it's - or was - more common in the South than Barcelona and the north. Think it's cos it's easy for the smackfan to nod out in the heat and the cokehead to get sweaty. The mix suits the need of both groups and is consequently popular, to the extent I had days in Malaga when I couldn't get straight junk and had to flick the coke out of what I'd come to know as the revolting with a blade, cursing all the tricky process through. I was with a coke-only user and felt like Jack Sprat. But no such problem in Naples; like the man said, possibly the kindest town for junkies in Europe.
 
charlie clean said:
The coke/smack mix is quite an established product among Southern Mediterranean users. Called, if I remember right, something like revueltas in Spain, where it's - or was - more common in the South than Barcelona and the north. Think it's cos it's easy for the smackfan to nod out in the heat and the cokehead to get sweaty. The mix suits the need of both groups and is consequently popular, to the extent I had days in Malaga when I couldn't get straight junk and had to flick the coke out of what I'd come to know as the revolting with a blade, cursing all the tricky process through. I was with a coke-only user and felt like Jack Sprat. But no such problem in Naples; like the man said, possibly the kindest town for junkies in Europe.
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Yeah i had the same in Malaga & much of southern Spain
 
@Pontifex predrought gear in most cities was betwen 30-45% now its 0-45% and it would seem averaging at 1bout 10-20%. Some of us can still get good gear 45%+ but its double/triple the price as it was two years ago. Why the south americans havent come over with product is something we have debated here - who knows maybe its a mafia agreement or summat, the routes are open as we get coke.
 
where was predrought quality 30-45%? certainly not round birmingham. i would tend to go with the predrought liverpool tests which indicated between 10-25%, during drought people were regularly passing clear on morphine urine samples same day as using, which would indicate purity had dropped to zero or very close to
 
where was predrought quality 30-45%? certainly not round birmingham sides. i would tend to concur with the predrought liverpool tests which indicated between 10-25%, during drought people were regularly passing clear on morphine urine samples same day as using, which would indicate purity had dropped to zero or very close to anyhow
 
i thought all large cities were the same as london where it was always at those levels PD (apart from random shotters) the competion is/was so great people ddidnt step on it - + it was so much fucking cheaper.

I caved today as i got a bag yesterday that was the same quality as i was getting when the drought was hitting hard and we hooked up with an asian firm this lot is also from an asian firm and i had 6-7 lines and i was nodding its the best ive had for a long time looks the same powder light brown and leaves feint traces on the foil - and the tooter collection runs just like gear not running and fizzing.
 
The thing to check for on the end of a tooter is, do there seem to be two or more different types of stuff in the build-up? Because the materials will travel different distances depending upon their boiling points, with the highest BPs condensing first and the lower BPs travelling further before condensing. It's a crude form of chromatography. Strictly sub-qualitative as the conditions aren't remotely constant; but in practice, it's reasonably obvious from looking at the end of a tooter if there were two materials with very different BPs in the gear.
 
blondin said:
5 day taper after how long on the gear? im just about to do a 2 week taper starting at 60 and dropping 5 a day till i get to 10mg - done it many times and is almost painless. BUT im only doing it to reset my tollerance, I might see how low I can go as I have never gone lower than 5mg in theory it should be easy but its all in the head - right kids?
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Its been about 18months since I stayed away from anything. That clean stint lasted 4/5 months, so yeah - 18 months. About .8 a week. The previous source fell through, so I have one of two more sources this monday. One can get me 135mls for 25/30quid so I'll try for that one. I think that would be the better option, really.

My life has just turned into an ever revolving cycle of scoring and shooting/smoking with my friend in his house most nights. Thats been going on for 3/4 years on and off and I'm not doing it for another. I'll rock and roll once in a blue moon, but I'm fucking sick to the teeth of scoring shite gear just to get well. My mothers birthday just passed and I spent all my cash on smack again to avoid withdrawals so I couldnt even buy her a present, and now my fathers approaches and if I want this methadone I'll barely be able to afford him a card.

It might take about two weeks (for the taper), but I know if I can rid myself of the physical withdrawals then I can get back to the person I was before I became dependent. I think a large part of the PAW's I experienced in 2010 was due to the trauma of cold turkey, and while I know I wont be A1 as soon as I'm off rapid my methadone taper - its should be a lot easier on me psychologically.
 
Is methadone linctus generally €2 for 10 mls in Ireland? Used to be the same price in the UK but has fallen to around half that.

You've good connections, Blondin. Pre-2009, multi-kilo seizures were usually 45-60% but heroin confiscated in lower-level busts (0.5-50 grams) averaged just under 30% purity. Interestingly, RBKC busts consistently produced dope of higher purity than that nabbed in Tower Hamlets. Latest SOCA figures show purity levels creeping up since the drought to an average 23% last Christmas and presumably higher now. But also greater variation in quality since dealers learned bash sold in the drought, with some recent street seizures coming in at 10% or less. Things can only get better?
 
charlie clean said:
Is methadone linctus generally €2 for 10 mls in Ireland? Used to be the same price in the UK but has fallen to around half that.
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Certainly not on the streets. Its generally €10 for 50mls.

Going to have to use again tonight, .1 shot. I hope I get this methadone tomorrow.
 
charlie clean said:
Is methadone linctus generally €2 for 10 mls in Ireland? Used to be the same price in the UK but has fallen to around half that.

You've good connections, Blondin. Pre-2009, multi-kilo seizures were usually 45-60% but heroin confiscated in lower-level busts (0.5-50 grams) averaged just under 30% purity. Interestingly, RBKC busts consistently produced dope of higher purity than that nabbed in Tower Hamlets. Latest SOCA figures show purity levels creeping up since the drought to an average 23% last Christmas and presumably higher now. But also greater variation in quality since dealers learned bash sold in the drought, with some recent street seizures coming in at 10% or less. Things can only get better?
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Interectingly I have a mate in holland who knows the scene very well and he said over there its always about 30% and the gear we get is better than theirs.
Just picked up another little parcel thats the same i mentoned before - strongest ive had for a long time, it runs and runs and .2 is all i can smoke before i have to lift my head off my lap, i was meant to give it a rest but this stuff wont last for ever- only x2 peeps that i know of have it and one is doing a 7th of a point for a tenner the other .2 for a score. I am gonna try and finish one lot and put away the other till after ive done a 2 weel detox
 
griffin79 said:
€2 for 10ml is the same thing as €10 for 50ml
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Yeah that is what i was thinking! *scratches head*

How are you Griff? Have you had an luck scoring? I couldn't get any weight over the weekend. I scored in North Dublin on Friday & the gear had taken a turn for the worst.Then i scored in D12 yesterday & i got the 'ok' gear. It was better then what i got on Friday, bit still a far cry from pre-drought! I'm not gonna even bother scoring to-day, its a waste of money. A lot of people seem really happy with the ok gear, but i'm not! I'm so sick of it! No in-fact i'm so sick of myself! Why do i keep going back for more when i know that its only ok? Addiction is far more complexed then i ever thought.......
 
griffin79 said:
€2 for 10ml is the same thing as €10 for 50ml
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Indeedy - read it as 10 for 2mls. This isI'd have to highly suggest against ever buying methadone from the streets in Dublin (or anywhere); anyone with a bit of grey matter would water it down a bit. The prices vary, but generally this is what I'd expect to pay from my sources who are all tried and trusted. I was offered 120mls for 25euros last night, which I'm off to collect momentarily. I'm thrilled, I suppose - daunted too though, its been a while since I've done a taper. It'll be interesting to see the colour come back into my face, to have money again and to have this anhedonia gradually fade away.

Theres a couple of ad hoc checks you can do for your methadone, in case some are unaware:
+ The finger dip test is the most reliable really, where you dip your index into the solution and provided it hasnt been watered down then it shouldnt drip off your finger.
+ The other is to shake the bottle and upon the fromation of bubbles, you know its definitely been watered down. Some bubbles will form from undiluted methadone, but they'll vanish quite quickly whereas if its been watered down then it'll remain.

@Brimz: when are you beginning your taper? As I said I'm off to collect mine now but I'm going to wait until I'm beginning to feel withdrawals approaching until I begin so that likely wont be until tomorrow morning as I took a bag for 15 this morning. I might make a thread on raoid tapers of the sort it in a bit, something to do.
 
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