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Sory to hear bout what happened to u kkat, I really feel for ya. Ive been prosecuted for gear, they found me slumped at the wheel of me car having chickened out of going to my group therapy for anothe week. In my car I had foils and empty wraps - which was enough to prosecute me for posession, and since I already had possession of cannabis and two cautions for posession class A, amongst other things, they felt the need to prosecute. They are cunts, but anger aint gonna get u anywhere now...having read all the msg's in ur name I reckon u got reason to feel a little bit confident - I reckon you'll be ok with my limited experience, others who have more experience reckon you'll be sound too. You did right thing trying to get a decent brief.
Forget the meth - its a cunt they took it but its gone for good, but you'll be able to replace it Id have thought, if u can buy on the street easily enough. I once had over a litre and got to the stage where I had to swap some for gear. Reason we all got a stash is cos we know how much shit we would be in if we had to miss a days dose - ie getting stuck in traffic and not being able to make it to chemist. The system forces us to act outside of it

They took it on monday and i've already rebuilt a decent stash.
they took it cos they know when they get my deleted texts back they'll have me selling it
i too had 2 litres at one point
coming off gear is one thing but a meth rattle is scary stuff
hence we amass a stash
i'm feeling a little better now i have a good solicitor but i still think i will be VERY lucky to escape a sentence
 
Sweden was one of the few places not effected by the drought , though i have no idea if they have an open air scene over their.

Aight, cheers. Any idea why Sweden went unaffected? Since 2002/2003, I haven't even heard of H down here in Finland. Bupe replaced it completely.
 
Your right to fear the worst kat, anthing else is a bonus right? ;-)
One thing, I know that if u ever get caught selling meth it can seriously fuck with ur script-they might cancel it, or insist on daily supervised for the rest of ur life-u need to find out if theres any danger of this if ur found guilty. Maybe find out about getting a private script in case? If thats possible at all for u financially. Also, I really dont think youll do bird but if u were to, whats the deal in prison now with prescribing? Would u be given ur current dose of meth and other meds daily, and not made to taper or stop? Im sure the days of giving u a couple days worth of valium or forcing you over to subutex are gone right? I hope so, if not for ur sake (cos u aint goin down) for any other poor fucker who gets chucked in a dirty cell for as little as doin a bit of brown, when there are wife beaters, rapists, paedos and terrorists out there gettin away wiv murder!
 
Aight, cheers. Any idea why Sweden went unaffected? Since 2002/2003, I haven't even heard of H down here in Finland. Bupe replaced it completely.

no idea mate just one of those things . Not sure if the have many addicts per capita . over their or anything apart from the gear is quite expensive and the drought didn't effect them
 
No way.... fukin jjoke

well if he ever does gt gud gear u might be thnkful he didnt gt lockd up

Nah, he's long gone. Local scumbag recently murdered his twin brother whilst robbing his twin's girlfriend of her stash (she was a known dealer) he had his hands up both her holes looking for the gear. I know people who have been robbed by this evil cunt, so now he's up for a murder I really hope they throw away the key.
 
Your right to fear the worst kat, anthing else is a bonus right? ;-)
One thing, I know that if u ever get caught selling meth it can seriously fuck with ur script-they might cancel it, or insist on daily supervised for the rest of ur life-u need to find out if theres any danger of this if ur found guilty. Maybe find out about getting a private script in case? If thats possible at all for u financially. Also, I really dont think youll do bird but if u were to, whats the deal in prison now with prescribing? Would u be given ur current dose of meth and other meds daily, and not made to taper or stop? Im sure the days of giving u a couple days worth of valium or forcing you over to subutex are gone right? I hope so, if not for ur sake (cos u aint goin down) for any other poor fucker who gets chucked in a dirty cell for as little as doin a bit of brown, when there are wife beaters, rapists, paedos and terrorists out there gettin away wiv murder!

nothing been said about my script yet
i am hoping they can just accept that any meth i moved was brought from someone else
dunno that it'll make any difference tho
if i do go down i would surely need to be in hospital cos of the huge amount of antipsychotics i have to take every day aswell as the chemo and other meds-this will all have to be taken into account in court
 
So yesterday, I failed myself and my treatment!

I've been in treatment for heroin addiction for over 10 weeks now. I am currently just in the maintenance phase (I am prescribed Injectable Morphine Sulphate ampoules. I get 3 amps a day. The amps contain a solution of 30mg/ml of Morphine Sulphate and are 2ml in size... so I get 3 amps of 60mg each day [180mg of IV morphine a day].
I plan to start reducing soon. I start by reducing the number of injections I do each day so the first step will be to change my prescription to 2 amps/day [same strength... 30mg/ml in 2ml amps. So 120mg of morphine a day in 2 injections] and some MST pills (instant release and I will be asking for a minimum strength of 100mg but a prefered strength of 150mg]. That way I will do 2 injections and take an MST pill (if they don't do 150mg pills, and I don't think they do, then I will take a 100mg and a 50mg pill instead of an injection).
I will repeat this for each of the 3 injections so after a few months I will be down to 450mg of MST pills taken orally not IV (which is why I need more than 60mg... since taking pills orally will not be as effective as an IV amp).
Anyway, once I am onlyu taking pills, I will get the doctor to start reducing the dosage until it is down to nothing. Once I am free from opiates, I will be getting a naltrexone implant. These implants completely block all effects of opiates and they last 3months (however, they cost about £550 each
but at the minute, I pay £65 to the doctor every 2 weeks and £128 every two weeks for my medication... so that's nearly £200/fortnight so about £433/month which equals approx £1300 every 3 months so the implant is a huge saving). However, MST pills are ALOT cheaper than injectable morphine sulphate amps so the amount I pay to the chemist will slowly reduce as I move from IV meds to oral meds.
I rec
Ahhhhh just checked online and you can get 150mg MST pills. You can get 200mg MST pills (maybe I will try to see if the doctor will replace a 60mg IV amp of morphine sulphate to a 200mg MST instant release pill... I doubt he will. I'll defo be able to get 120mg and probably be able to get the 150mg but I think 200mg will probably be too much to ask for.

Anyway I'm rambling about my treatment.
The reason I failed is because yesterday, I scored for the first time since starting treatment!
I rang the guy (around 2.30pm-ish) and got £10 dark and £20 light (1&1 for £25). At about 5.00pm, I rang him again and got another 1&1. Then at about 9pm, I rang him again and got 2 dark and a light (1&1 for £25 and £10 for a dark).
I had £150 cash and I spent:
  • £10 on cigs, lighter, citric (a big fucking bag that I will never be able to get through even if I was using gear daily, it would take me months to use it all) and a few beers. [£140 left]
  • £25 on the first 1&1 [£115 left]
  • £25 on the second 1&1 [£90 left]
  • £35 on the 2 dark and 1 light [£55 left]

If I had any of my amps, I wouldn't have bought any dark, I would have just bought light but because I used the last amp when I woke up at around 9am I needed the dark to help come down from the light. I didn't dig all the the bags. I smoked 2 and a half of the bags and did 2 digs with the other 1 and a half bags. I actually really enjoyed smoking it (I haven't smoked gear for a LONG time as when I wasn't in treatment, I struggled to get cash to buy a bag a day (where I lived at the time, nobody did £10 bags they were all £20 bags) so when I got my bag each day I would just dig it so I got the most out of it.
Anyway, I really really fucking enjoyed all that light but it has put me in a shit position.
My new prescription started today so I was meant to be paying the chemist £128... instead I paid him £48 and still owe him £80. If I hadn't spent all my script money on light and dark, I would have fully paid off my script. Now I'm going to have to pay for my script in instalments. I'll pay £25 on Wed (that's my next pick up day [pick up days are Mon, Wed and Fri]) leaving £55 to pay. I'll pay £15 on Friday leaving £40 and next Monday and Wednesday I'll pay £20 on each day (then the script is fully paid). I really wish I hadn't spent my script money! Not just because it's fucked me over money wise but because I scored all that light and dark and now I really am dying for another stone. I need to try and locate £20!
Gutted!

Oh well, as long as I don't make it a regular thing of seeing him, then it isn't a massive fuck up. it's more of a little slip up in my treatment!

The gear was mediocre (5.5/10 or maybe 6/10) and the white was pretty good (7.5/10).

However, The fact that I had 4 bags of it and an amp earlier in the day meant I got a semi-decent nod!

The worst part is, this dealer... I got his number from someone who lives a 35minute bus drive away (in Croydon) and I thought I had to go there to score but he actually lives closer to me than Croydon (he lives in Purley) so he is happy to drive to me and drops off pretty much right outside my house!

Your right to fear the worst kat, anthing else is a bonus right? ;-)
One thing, I know that if u ever get caught selling meth it can seriously fuck with ur script-they might cancel it, or insist on daily supervised for the rest of ur life-u need to find out if theres any danger of this if ur found guilty. Maybe find out about getting a private script in case? If thats possible at all for u financially. Also, I really dont think youll do bird but if u were to, whats the deal in prison now with prescribing? Would u be given ur current dose of meth and other meds daily, and not made to taper or stop? Im sure the days of giving u a couple days worth of valium or forcing you over to subutex are gone right? I hope so, if not for ur sake (cos u aint goin down) for any other poor fucker who gets chucked in a dirty cell for as little as doin a bit of brown, when there are wife beaters, rapists, paedos and terrorists out there gettin away wiv murder!

I'm pretty sure (not 100% but about 80%) that when you go to prison you are immediately given treatment. If you are already on a meth script they may continue with it but if not then you are given subbies!

The reason I know about this is because the private addiction clinic I am getting my treatment from played a huge part in changing the way heroin addiction treatment worked in prisons. They basically put a really good case forward for the prisons to provide subbies whenever possible or at least this is what the newspaper article says that they have framed and hung in the waiting area. They also have another newspaper article framed and hung up that talks all about the clinic and how good it is. It also has a part about how the owner of the clinic got into a lot of trouble with the GMC because they were prescribing pure heroin (diacetylmorphine) to patients on maintenance scripts (not reduction scripts) and two of the little cunts who had worked up their trust with the clinic and got to the point where they were at two pick ups a week. (At first, you have to do daily pick ups for about 6 weeks, then you move to 3 times a week [for about 2 and a half to 3 months], then to 2 pick ups a week [for quite a while] and finally to 1 pick up a week. You can bve downgraded too... I was on 2 pick ups a week but one week I overused and had to basically get them to adjust my script with the pharmacist so that I could pick up the remaining 4 instalments [out of 6] a day early [so instead of Sat {9}, Tues {12}, Sat {9}, Tues {12}, Sat {9} and Tues {12}... it became Sat {9}, Tues {12}, Fri {9}, Mon {12}, Fri {9} and Mon {12}. When I went to my next appointment, I got downgraded to 3 pick ups a week... Mon {6}, Wed {6}, Fri {9}]). Anyway, these two cunts were picking up there pure and sterile heroin (diacetylmorphine) [I'm unsure of the dosage] and what they both did (these were isolated incidents and the two people were nothing to do with each other) was go for one of there 2 pick ups and then used the entire dose for half of the week in one go. This resulted in both of them overdosing and dying!
So the owner of the clinic had his medical license taken away from him, the clinic was put under heavy surveillance and checked to see if they followed the correct procedures for prescribing strong opiates. Now they categorically will not prescribe pure/sterile heroin (diacetylmorphine). They are allowed to and still have a license to do so but because of those 2 cunts they won't do it! The numbers above are the numbers of ampoules I pick up from the chemist (Ampoules = Injectable Morphine Sulphate Ampoules [2ml of 30mg/ml solution, 60mg total])
Now the best you can get from them is injectable morphine or injectable methadone. You can get a script that contains both injectable morphine and methadone. I opted to not have the methadone for 2 reasons...
  1. It is much harder to get off (so when I finally start the reduction process, it will take much longer)
  2. It would mean that I would not be able to get any kind of buzz from my morphine amps when I take them (Instead of doing 3 x 2ml (60mg) injections a day, I do 2 injections a day... the first one with either 4 ml (120mg) or 5ml (150mg) and then either a 1ml (30mg) or 2ml (60mg) injection just before I go to sleep. When I do the 4/5ml dig, I get such a great rush (but no nod... I have to work and I couldn't go to work with a nod!).

If I had the methadone amps, I would have 2 options...
  1. Use them daily and then never be able to get high from gear or morphine a day OR
  2. Not use them and save them up and only do them at weekends with morphine. they come in 1ml amps (50mg/ml solution). So I could do a 5ml injection with 4ml morphine and 1ml methadone and get a proper rush and a good nod from the two mixed together. The problem with this is I would end up with a huge surplus of methadone amps that I am not using and they aren't cheap. (My morphine amps cost £128/42 so about £3 each. The meth is about the same. So if my script had 1 meth amp a day... it would cost me an extra £42/fortnight or £170/fortnight/ That may not seem like a lot but when you think, I am already paying £128 for the meds, £65 to the doctor and £80 to the psychologist every fortnight then an extra £42/fortnight makes it even harder for me to manage (I can easily pay for my treatment and living costs [rent, bills, etc] but I barely have any money left to do things at the weekend... let alone treat myself to DVDs, clothes, cinema, bowling, restaurants , etc!)

Anyway, in answer to your question.... I'm pretty sure your given subbies and possibly meth if your already on a script for it.

P.S. I have an amazing habit of being able to go totally off topic and ramble on about something that is nothing to do with the OP!!!! I apologise for that!
 
Erm... I know you've got a lot to say, and we're fairly lenient in this thread, but please try to stay on topic.

Most of that post (and I merged two separate ones - please don't double post, use the edit function) would have been more suitable as a blog entry than a post in this thread.

I'm not trying to be difficult, it's just that this thread is used by many for information on regional heroin quality, and in-depth examination of your own treatment experiences (while potentially valuable to some) falls way outside its remit.
 
Nah, he's long gone. Local scumbag recently murdered his twin brother whilst robbing his twin's girlfriend of her stash (she was a known dealer) he had his hands up both her holes looking for the gear. I know people who have been robbed by this evil cunt, so now he's up for a murder I really hope they throw away the key.

Sounds like a really nice bloke ;)
 
Nah, he's long gone. Local scumbag recently murdered his twin brother whilst robbing his twin's girlfriend of her stash (she was a known dealer) he had his hands up both her holes looking for the gear. I know people who have been robbed by this evil cunt, so now he's up for a murder I really hope they throw away the key.

sounds a bit like a guy i knew of , he was a right tit , a bully in and out the jail when he was in the court cells waiting to get the bus to the jail he would make boys strip so he could take there parcels .
one time he got hold of a girl he knew was dealing and went up her to get her banked stash , her boy friend was in jail at the time . he was charged with this cause he also set about the girl ,but got a not proven verdict (scottish law).
he lost what friends he had after that .
the boyfriend spotted him one day and him and a pal ran after him, the scum bag was pleading for his life , but they stabbed him around 20 times . they were caught on camera high fiveing each other standing over his body
that was only a year ago and the boyfriend got 17 years and his pal 15 years . personaly i think they should have got off
 
someone just told me that a custodial sentence is mandatory for sale of class As
is this true?

no thats alot of shit ,there is not many charges that does carry a mandatory jail sentence if any , esp not the sale of class a . everybodys background and circumstances are different.
if i was caught selling a teenth to joe blogs on the street i would maybe get a fine , community service, but because it was to an undercover cop , and the police have spent thousands on the operation the pf wants the judge to be tough , so iam defo looking at a couple of years.
my only hope is because i will loose my house and my son will go into foster care , he will go easy on me. cant see it though .
 
Charlie
It's perhaps always been difficult for an American to understand the English class system. Now, we've lost our manufacturing industries and what were once the 'workers' have become the 'underclass', it must be nigh impossible. Although there were 'middle class' kids involved, most were African Caribbean and white products of our inner city council estates - the equivilant of the projects. Many are from single-parent families, ill educated and at home on the streets.

We have a class system in this country as well- maybe not as rigid, but I don't know, maybe more insidious would be a greater truisim. I think the British are more honest about their class system, almost analogus to the Indian Caste system. I read your post and you make several good points- above all I think your forecast is correct- were gonna be doing it the hard way- the inane, ludicrous, laudible way... but hopefully, one day comon sense will prevail and we can all hold hand and say "free at last."

Andrikos Kalosorisetai, or however its spelled. I think Boyaa was saying something like "damn, we live in the same shit." Careful asking about scorring in the US heroin discussion as its considered sourcing- would be very suprised if you have trouble as I hear its (Chicago) the US epicenter. You should move to California, patrioti... in San Diego across the border there is a huge open air scene... now a days you need a passport t cross...if your visa is in order yu shouldn't have problems but sounds like you have a friend in Chi-town. How do you get a 4-5 month fetish (might have misunderstood). With me its always ben all or nothing (or substitution). Anyway, I hear that dope connects can be easily found downtown- you might not get quality- but if you don't have a habit, atleast you won't die of an overdose- don't underestimate the dope in that town- I'd stick to smoking or snorting depending what type you get, tar, colombian white, (and afgani brown and SE Asian white I hear are available in smaller amunts if you have connections (via Nigerians)]

Be advised I am the wrong person to ask- it would be like asking a Brit about the dope scene in the Czech Republic.

Sad shit happening in the Hellenic Republic. Good and be safe. May your stay here be rewarding.

ps Chi-town may be cool but why not move some place cool like the west coast: California (San Francisco, San Diego, Santa Cruz), Oregon (Portland), Washington (Seattle), or anywhere in the state of Hawaii (were you won't find your "preza" of choice...but the Islands are paradise.)

Kali Tihi

Anyway, I read the opium poppy is indigenous to Asia Minor. I think that through natural selection, people of Greek ancestory have a natuaral afinity for it
(though Anglo Saxons/celtics make a compeling argument for the genetic link- the Chinese adicts were all shot by Mao.) This is despite there low incidence of substance abuse (beside nicotine which releases substrates that have affinity for opiate receptors- Greece is a cig smokers paradise.)
 
By way- I've started drinking again-such a horrible drug, that one is, crude and barbaric.
 
Charlie


Andrikos Kalosorisetai, or however its spelled. I think Boyaa was saying something like "damn, we live in the same shit." Careful asking about scorring in the US heroin discussion as its considered sourcing- would be very suprised if you have trouble as I hear its (Chicago) the US epicenter. You should move to California, patrioti... in San Diego across the border there is a huge open air scene... now a days you need a passport t cross...if your visa is in order yu shouldn't have problems but sounds like you have a friend in Chi-town. How do you get a 4-5 month fetish (might have misunderstood). With me its always ben all or nothing (or substitution). Anyway, I hear that dope connects can be easily found downtown- you might not get quality- but if you don't have a habit, atleast you won't die of an overdose- don't underestimate the dope in that town- I'd stick to smoking or snorting depending what type you get, tar, colombian white, (and afgani brown and SE Asian white I hear are available in smaller amunts if you have connections (via Nigerians)]

Be advised I am the wrong person to ask- it would be like asking a Brit about the dope scene in the Czech Republic.

Sad shit happening in the Hellenic Republic. Good and be safe. May your stay here be rewarding.

ps Chi-town may be cool but why not move some place cool like the west coast: California (San Francisco, San Diego, Santa Cruz), Oregon (Portland), Washington (Seattle), or anywhere in the state of Hawaii (were you won't find your "preza" of choice...but the Islands are paradise.)

Kali Tihi

Anyway, I read the opium poppy is indigenous to Asia Minor. I think that through natural selection, people of Greek ancestory have a natuaral afinity for it
(though Anglo Saxons/celtics make a compeling argument for the genetic link- the Chinese adicts were all shot by Mao.) This is despite there low incidence of substance abuse (beside nicotine which releases substrates that have affinity for opiate receptors- Greece is a cig smokers paradise.)

my brother im send a pm cause there is no need people here reading my irrelevant shit.truth is i didnt browse through all forum rules etc so i understand what people here told me.

My late father when he was baby,at that time grandmas gave kids with sick conditions,toothached etc "ΑΦΙΟΝΙ"-afioni.Afioni is poppy tea made from poppies imported by the asia minor greeks who came to motherland(sic i know lol) then.And also one more thing about |Greeks and their relationship with opioids.I really dont know which country has recorded more than 200 songs during 1910-1936 about heroin.songs with titles like "why i shoot heroin"."born prezakias(junkie),died prezakias","cocaine and heroin in the morning" etc..Artsist like anestis delias,papaioannoy,roza eskenazi were real life addicts..
 
Failed , CC was right on the spread;)
Anyhow decent kit , and a bit of summat difficult to turn down , not crack btw far from it.
Well it was 2 good , "wouldn't you..? to quote wbs:)
 
And also one more thing about |Greeks and their relationship with opioids.I really dont know which country has recorded more than 200 songs during 1910-1936 about heroin.songs with titles like "why i shoot heroin"."born prezakias(junkie),died prezakias","cocaine and heroin in the morning" etc..Artsist like anestis delias,papaioannoy,roza eskenazi were real life addicts..
+1000
 
lush gear.... just picked some up, i cant even remeber what 'pre-drought' gear is really like anymore, so for my scale at the moment it is 7/10 just going on the last 10 months....

got to go an smoke up in a little bit %)
 
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