Random MSN Gibberings XCIV - How much for an 8th of Immodium?

[StoneHappyMonday]

I do think, however, that attempts to marginalise these groups makes them political martyrs. Better to give them their chance to show themselves for what they are - thugs led by skilled orators in suits, just like the BNP have shown themselves to be utterly laughable when handed the smallest crumb of power from the table.

I totally agree. But this debate wasn't about 'no platform for fascists'. It was about whether fascism itself was inherently anti-democratic and therefore shouldn't be 'worked with' (in alliance).

I could maybe bring up parallels with arguments against censorship in EADD, but I'm not that snide. Today.

Again, this debate was not about censoring fascism. My anti-censorship view stands. I never mentioned censoring them. I talked about not working with something that was inherently anti-democratic in a democracy. So bring up any parallels you wish.

So basically, yeah, it does boil down to the fact you don't like that ideology.

Basically it boils down to me not caring a fig for what you have to say. You're arguments are trite and based in first year undergraduate prejudice. You're an irrelevance to me.

 

[ColtDan]

mild 6-apb comedown today, nothing too bad, just lacking motivation and kept feeling all sweaty for some reason. nothing compared to a bad meph comedown or whatever, infact i felt kinda glowing. just unmotivated. gonna chill this eve

 

[Marmalade]

I could maybe bring up parallels with arguments against censorship in EADD, but I'm not that snide. Today.

I call a cop out on thee above

please elucidate

love n stuff

 

[Myshkin]

Edit: Also re ritual sacrifice.. why would wanking be less shocking to a victorian audience than a child sacrifice?

Considering the fact that Lady Chatterley and Naked Lunch were both banned years after Magick, the book you paraphrase, it's pretty obvious that an explicit instruction to have a ritual wank wouldn't have gone down well in 1912 when it was published. Which wasn't the Victorian era, btw, which I didn't mention.

Also from memory I think the spirit gave a warning not to change anything in the Book but you suggested Crowley veiled it.

We're talking different books. You're thinking of the Book Of The Law, which was credited to Crowley's Holy Guardian Angel 'Aiwass', whereas the 'child sacrifice' quote is from Magick. Which was very much written by Crowley as Crowley.

Again, this debate was not about censoring fascism. My anti-censorship view stands. I never mentioned censoring them. I talked about not working with something that was inherently anti-democratic in a democracy.

Not censorship, but censure? :D

It was intended as a sly nudge, but who are you to judge what's inherently anti-democratic? Isn't that merely personal dogma?

If a 'fascist' party (and I still agree with you that the ideology is essentially undemocratic, btw) receives a significant vote in a free election, is that not democracy anymore?

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I call a cop out on thee above

please elucidate

love n stuff

There's not much to elucidate on. Sam was just trying to be clever clever thinking I'd exhibited hypocrisy on my anti-censorship line (I hadn't). Fundamentally (fnar fnar) we agree with each other I think.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Not censorship, but censure? :D

It was intended as a sly nudge, but who are you to judge what's inherently anti-democratic? Isn't that merely personal dogma?

Er, no. I think a fascist party line decides that, not me. Wtf are you on tonight?

If a 'fascist' party (and I still agree with you that the ideology is essentially undemocratic, btw) receives a significant vote in a free election, is that not democracy anymore?

Er, no. They've received 7% of the vote. Where did I say "Deny the bastards representation now!!"

I didn't. They, however, have a position against democracy built into their ideology. Why are you trying to say it's me who is denying democracy? Shome mistake shurely?

Ps Censuring fascism? Whatever was I thinking? 8(

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Basically it boils down to me not caring a fig for what you have to say. You're arguments are trite and based in first year undergraduate prejudice. You're an irrelevance to me.

It's much easier for you to say this than it is to form a coherent counter argument. I like you doing this, because it is tantamount to admitting you lack the mental capacity to do so

In all seriousness, for someone pushing 50 you are as stupid and ignorant as shit. Apparently the adage "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" carries through into humans in the form of "you can't teach an old cunt anything whatsoever". You remind me of one of those pensioners who refuses to get a microwave.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

It's much easier for you to say this than it is to form a coherent counter argument. I like you doing this, because it is tantamount to admitting you lack the mental capacity to do so

In all seriousness, for someone pushing 50 you are as stupid and ignorant as shit. Apparently the adage "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" carries through into humans in the form of "you can't teach an old cunt anything whatsoever". You remind me of one of those pensioners who refuses to get a microwave.

Like I said, irrelevant baby. You think you're little tirades are going to affect anything other than your own mental health?

Bye.

 

[Myshkin]

Er, no. I think a fascist party line decides that, not me. Wtf are you on tonight?

Hang on, we've still not explored the leap of logic that led you to label the Golden Dawn (who we were initially discussing) as facist. Hence the inverted commas in the final part of my quote. I agree fascism's undemocratic, but do I agree the GD are fascists? Not necessarily. Far, far right? Definitely. That doesn't necessarily mean fascist though.

Tonight I'm on codeine, diaz, a spliff, a tongue firmly in cheek and a slight air of smugness, ta.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Hang on, we've still not explored the leap of logic that led you to label the Golden Dawn (who we were initially discussing) as facist. Hence the inverted commas in the final part of my quote. I agree fascism's undemocratic, but do I agree the GD are fascists? Not necessarily. Far, far right? Definitely. That doesn't necessarily mean fascist though.

Tonight I'm on codeine, diaz, a spliff, a tongue firmly in cheek

Then I'll leave you Sam to sit and philosophise with yourself over the intracacies of whether a party with a Hitler-saluting leader (and many other fascist symbols and ideals) can truly be called fascist or not. And while you're in your ivory tower, spare a thought for the poor fuckers who inevitably will suffer their fascist abuse. I'm sure your comfortable with that, what with your co-codamol to see you through an' all.

and a slight air of smugness

No change there then.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Like I said, irrelevant baby. You think you're little tirades are going to affect anything other than your own mental health?

Bye.

What does mental health have to do with any of this?

 

[badandwicked]

He just called you baby, that's a sign of affection where I come from

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Hang on, we've still not explored the leap of logic that led you to label the Golden Dawn (who we were initially discussing) as facist. Hence the inverted commas in the final part of my quote. I agree fascism's undemocratic, but do I agree the GD are fascists? Not necessarily. Far, far right? Definitely. That doesn't necessarily mean fascist though.

Tonight I'm on codeine, diaz, a spliff, a tongue firmly in cheek and a slight air of smugness, ta.

When you're done with that you can explore where exactly fascism is on the political spectrum, because as far as I can tell it takes elements of the far left, the far right, conservatism, socialism, and mashes them all together in one big populist agenda. The fact that the communist party got 1% more of the vote than Golden Dawn isn't a problem to our special friend here, shows he is totally biased or totally retarded - probably both. Both parties pose an equal problem to democracy, in a country that has only had it for just over a couple of decades. And both parties stand an equal chance of oppressing one group or another - Golden Dawn with foreigners, and the Communist party with the middle classes.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Yes I am retarded.

Meanwhile, a non-fascist supporter of Golden Dawn writes

RT like to delete people comments like the jewish communist did and all jewish media mafia still doing today. You will never stop white people will. We white will free our self from jaws of jewish usury central banking , media and political mafia. The debt crisis is fake and doesn't exist. The whole EU is a jewish creation and they need a Hungarian jew like Sarkozy to full you together with the jewish stooge Markel. This jewish terrorist Sarkozy and jewish EU mafia flooding Europe with muslim arab negers from north afrika. Just in last six months 2 million muslim negro mud enter EU as a legal workers. Sarkozy and his jewish terrorist mafia will not go peacefully , arm your self , we have to secure future for our children without jews,negers and muslim arab mud. Did you see this :The jews have even they own "jewish parliament inside the EU building" in Brussels. Its like a control commission over you and you kids future. Arm your self my white christian brothers.

Nothing fascist to see here, move along please.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

What does mental health have to do with any of this?

Nothing loony tunes.

Bye.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

I hear communists treated the Jews really well. Along with whole swathes of minorities and other people considered enemies of the state. Not got a problem with them having 1% more power in parliament?