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No .. I used to do the I ching religiously and stopped that again for 'numerous reasons' :)

Off out now.. to Fulham with a big table tied on top of the volvo. It got tied on in a slighty sedated haze so the motorway might be fun.

Peace n that x
 
YellowPolkaDotHalo said:
[Whats the sacrifice of a male child got to do with wanking and hows it a joke?
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Remember that censorship of books was rife in Crowley's age, and sensibilities were somewhat more delicate. He couldn't just say "have a wank, guys - semen is a great sacrifice" so he veiled it and at the same time couldn't resist taking the piss and being controversial. The notoriety helped maintain the 'wickedest man' mystique, as you yourself have just proven, and upset a lot of people who didn't get it.

Basically, he was a very successful attention-seeker. As well as a poet, an excellent mountaineer, a philosopher and a formidable student of comparative religion. Other things too, but a Satanist? Nope.

YellowPolkaDotHalo said:
I'm not trying to have a dig I just want to be clear on where the guys coming from before I do finally dismiss him as Satanic
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Define 'Satanic'? He certainly didn't believe in 'Satan', or any other dualistic bogeyman deity for that matter.

As Aleister himself said (I think), a "devil worshipper" is merely somebody who follows a religion other than your own.
 
Good morning.

Im going to try and stop smoking today. I'm fantastically afraid of death, yet I enjoy many things that can potentially bring me closer to it. Makes no sense whatsoever. I know I can comfortably stop at least one of these activities. Thus, today marks the 7th time I'll try to quit Smoking. No patches, no fancy Electronic sticks. Cold turkey baby.
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I never found it that hard. I seem to always end up smoking at work if I work in bars and restaurants, just to get out for a while clear the head. If I'm on a daytime job I never bother with it. When I'm drunk even I don't smoke now but if stims are involved it always makes it trickier, cocaine especially you have to be smoking and drinking like a bastard. I'm surprised you smoke actually concidering the gym and all the sups you posted a pic of, i was the same at work, gym everyday, 10-15 lamberts a day. Daft.

I'm in fruitful form today. Perfected my money making idea last night, deeked wonga properly aswell, 4000% plus APR, but I only need it for 2 weeks, so if I borrow £400 it's £460 back, which is sound. I told my mate last week the plan and he's just basically done similar with somewhere else, not exactly, and a far shorter version than I'm planning but he netted £350 back off £100. I'm planning a higher original investment and a far more drawn out version for maximum collateral damage.

Crackhead you should have a look at that PM spade sent you. I only looked briefly last night but there is alot of potential on that site, just I'd need more time to get my head round it all, too much info/many ideas at once.

Off to town soon, mate also found both of us a hopeful looking job, phoned them up, guy seemed sound so just got the shirt on looking swish ready to go speak to them, then out for an Italian.......What a cracking day!
 
YellowPolkaDotHalo said:
The Golden Dawn far right, neo Nazi party have entered parliament with 7 % of the vote. Their leader Nikolaos Mihaloliakos wants to force immigrants into work camps and plant landmines along the Turkish border.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...olden-Dawn-celebrate-parliamentary-first.html

They even have a creepy swastica like logo.

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That the party would enter parliament, was no surprise, the percentage they received was. What was shocking is the percentage they received in some areas where the Nazis literally wiped out towns or villages. One can only hope, that those votes, were to stir up the political system, rather than a sound political belief. Sadly, I know that I cannot blame some of their voters, as in many urban environments, there are areas which would shock a lot of people, with the amount of illegal immigrants, and how they live, i.e. 10-12 people in a studio flat. Greece being the EU's eastern border, pays that price. While everyone goes haywire in the Middle East, and areas of Pakistan, it receives the majority of the refugees from Afghanistan or immigrants from Pakistan etc. Playing the race card, blaming things on immigrants is a sure win in politics...

The far left party Syriza was the big winner coming in at second. They managed to quadruple their vote base in two years...

There are now 7 parties in parliament, and there could of have been more, as another 3 received 2,9% of the votes, 3% the minimum required to enter.

I hope that is the beginning of the end of a two party based system in Europe, which is not democratic at all. Now if 7 parties can work together and form a working government, that would be Democracy. But,..... One step at a time.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
And if one of those parties is unashamedly fascist it kinda negates any democracy you might like to define.
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Or allows a clown like Berlusconi to preside over a disparate, toothless coalition for a comical length of time.

In fairness to the 'Golden Dawn', however (and I despise their politics for the most part), they've utilised the democratic process and have declared no intention to abolish it.

So as unpleasant as they may be, why does their presence negate democracy? They've been labelled 'fascists', but it's a weak and lazy label, and one which they themselves reject. Extremist Hellenistic nationalists, yes. Fascists, no. Dickheads? Without a doubt.
 
SamhainGrim said:
they've utilised the democratic process and have declared no intention to abolish it.

So as unpleasant as they may be, why does their presence negate democracy?
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Because I'm not so naive as to believe anything otherwise. Because fascism is, in it's essence, anti-democratic. Because, as far as I am aware, not even Hitler sat down and specifically spelled out the Enabling Act to unsuspecting voters prior to Jan 30th 1933.

What is this? Devil's advocate?
 
SamhainGrim said:
In fairness to the 'Golden Dawn', however (and I despise their politics for the most part), they've utilised the democratic process and have declared no intention to abolish it.

So as unpleasant as they may be, why does their presence negate democracy? They've been labelled 'fascists', but it's a weak and lazy label, and one which they themselves reject. Extremist Hellenistic nationalists, yes. Fascists, no. Dickheads? Without a doubt.
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They can add nothing to the democratic process, thus negate democracy in its true sense. There was a nationalist party in the previous parliament, which lost most of its voters to the fascist 'New Dawn'.. Sorry but I can΄t find info in English. This article, with the help of babel translate, could help you, understand the difference. A nationalist, would never write an article praising Hilter... http://logioshermes.blogspot.com/2012/04/blog-post_9960.html
 
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StoneHappyMonday said:
What is this? Devil's advocate?
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It would seem so, wouldn't it? ;)

You probably know that I'm with you on abhorrence of fascism. I also agree that it's anti-democratic by nature - hell, even their charter has its own Führerprinzip built in. Says it all, really.

I do think, however, that attempts to marginalise these groups makes them political martyrs. Better to give them their chance to show themselves for what they are - thugs led by skilled orators in suits, just like the BNP have shown themselves to be utterly laughable when handed the smallest crumb of power from the table.

I could maybe bring up parallels with arguments against censorship in EADD, but I'm not that snide. Today.

EDIT: Ghostface - thanks. I'll have a look at that when I'm not in the office. To be honest I was only slightly aware of the nationalist movements in Greece and didn't know there was a shift to the right - interesting stuff. Greece is definitely one to watch in the coming months.
 
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StoneHappyMonday said:
Take your pettiness elsewhere when discussing fascism eh? Go put stupid words in the mouths of others, not me.



You too.
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In my experience socialism and democracy haven't traditionally mixed very well. They have also killed far more people in the name of their ideology. I don't see you throwing your toys out of your pram over the fact they gained such a massive percentage of the vote in Greece and France? So basically, yeah, it does boil down to the fact you don't like that ideology.
 
I'm surprised you'd read all the stuff, but good on you. Only an idiot would label any of it 'Satanic'.
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I'm not as dogmatic as you appear to assume Sam.

Define 'Satanic'? He certainly didn't believe in 'Satan', or any other dualistic bogeyman deity for that matter.
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'Satanic' to me would be inspired of Satan. Eg the spirit that Crowley said filled him and auto wrote the words was Satan not some other dualistic spirit.
I dont see Satan as dualistic anyway.

I could maybe bring up parallels with arguments against censorship in EADD, but I'm not that snide. Today.
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Well you have bought them up.

Did you mean the censorship of the Chaplaincy thread and the debate that followed on Gibberings or am I making assumptions now?


Edit: Also re ritual sacrifice.. why would wanking be less shocking to a victorian audience than a child sacrifice?

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Also from memory I think the spirit gave a warning not to change anything in the Book but you suggested Crowley veiled it.

It also said people that discussed the Letters would be cursed so if you dont want to look at it I fully understand. ;)
 
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