Opioids Questions on Oxymorphone use

[ErgicMergic]

Using it medicinally the way it was intended (orally) is one thing, but peeling the time release, crushing, and insufflating or plugging a drug to get high is abuse, and abusing opiates as strong as OM will addict and destroy anyone, even the strong willed.

You are a chronic pain patient, F&W, which means you don't really get high when you use your meds as directed, but someone like the OP is using recreationally, with no opioid tolerance at that. He might as well start with something like Vicodin or Percocet orally before unknowingly selling his soul to insufflated Oxymorphone, just my opinion.

While it may have "helped hundreds of thousands of chronic pain patients to be able to get out of bed and walk," it has destroyed the lives of three times as many teenagers and adults without pain who abuse these "Pandas," which are subjectively better than heroin to most people.

 

[Fire&Water]

Using it medicinally the way it was intended (orally) is one thing, but peeling the time release, crushing, and insufflating or plugging a drug to get high is abuse, and abusing opiates as strong as OM will addict and destroy anyone, even the strong willed.

You are a chronic pain patient, F&W, which means you don't really get high when you use your meds as directed, but someone like the OP is using recreationally, with no opioid tolerance at that. He might as well start with something like Vicodin or Percocet orally before unknowingly selling his soul to insufflated Oxymorphone, just my opinion.

While it may have "helped hundreds of thousands of chronic pain patients to be able to get out of bed and walk," it has destroyed the lives of three times as many teenagers and adults without pain who abuse these "Pandas," which are subjectively better than heroin to most people.

I was replying to the "Edit" above my post...

 

[ou8e2]

Any narcoctic after 4 days you are addicted.Now if you don't know about addiction you will think it is the flue or cold...and if you do not relapse you are fine.Once u know the pain was from the narcotics and they will releive it you become hooked or not depending on your will power and frame of mind.

 

[chase_in_56ace]

Any narcoctic after 4 days you are addicted.Now if you don't know about addiction you will think it is the flue or cold...and if you do not relapse you are fine.Once u know the pain was from the narcotics and they will releive it you become hooked or not depending on your will power and frame of mind.

Wrong.many narcotics after 4 days will induce dependency, addiction is the compulsive use of a drug despite negative consequences in life. I know many ppl able to not become addicted after just four days of use.

 

[ErgicMergic]

Any narcoctic after 4 days you are addicted.Now if you don't know about addiction you will think it is the flue or cold...and if you do not relapse you are fine.Once u know the pain was from the narcotics and they will releive it you become hooked or not depending on your will power and frame of mind.

You can get addicted to a narcotic the moment it crosses your blood brain barrier and you fall in love with the cozy, fuzzy high. Psychological addiction can be instant, and it's for life, you'll never forget those honeymoon opioid highs that sucked you in. You're talking about physical dependence, which is not the main problem with opioid addiction in the long term: anyone can get clean and break physical dependence, but few can stay away from opioids for life after an addiction.

 

[vikenRedbull]

Oxymorphone has nothing to do with (satan) ? When you are weak willed, stay away...
"8 months, laugh out loud" ? wtf...? This med' has helped hundreds of thousands of chronic pain patients get out of bed and walk.

talk to any of those 'miracle walking patients' and ask them after years of opiates if they could go back.. 9/10 would and not take that first one, u want to call me out, when i say it took me months before i realized i was hooked, when many people realize after years?? and yes maybe i am 'weak willed' dont have a problem admitting that.. I also dont have a problem admitting where im from and where i live.. which you do, you can talk all you want on the internet boy PM me and we will go from there and meet up, have a good ol time mr. fire n h20 lol

 

[ErgicMergic]

^ What are you on about, dude? Being rude and insulting is not cool of you at all, plus you are very misinformed. Plenty of people need opiates to live normal lives, you might have been using opiates for the buzz but plenty of chronic pain patients use them responsibly to have normal life quality. When you are in pain, you don't get high from opiates if you dose them very low and titrate very carefully upwards until you find the right dose.

Having said that, OM is the most recreational opiate ever, and I'm sure even some chronic pain patients would have trouble keeping their use in check, especially if they start snorting or plugging it, which is very stupid thing to do with Dilaudid and OM since they are screwing their oral tolerances up by raising their opioid tolerances to be aligned with the increased BA from plugging/insufflating.

You make absolutely no sense in your first two sentences. Do you realize that not everyone takes opiates to catch a buzz? *gasp*

 

[vikenRedbull]

to me this makes sense i have a couple friends who have been on them for nearly 10 years and are of course on the steepest om oc out there and wish they could let them go, but understand its a necessary evil. to me this makes sense.

to mr fire and water.. dont send me this, im simply asking for your addy so u cant hide behind the www... i would reply back but dont feel like arguing with a middleschooler, who has not point and case for anything.. cmon man have a valid arguement or something to say rather than a loser, it has zero credibility braa.

Vicoden & redbull huh...loser.
8 months to figure out oxymorphone is addicting...loser
still use lol...loser
asusing drugs, period...loser ((btw not using))
the end...loser

this actually made me laugh a little

 

[RorerQuaalude714]

^ Whoa vikenRedbull, let's tone this down a bit. All of this bullshit about sharing addresses and meeting up is lunacy. Let's keep this discussion on the forum and leave it at that.

This thread was to answer a specific question and to provide the OP with harm reduction. The whole point of this thread is to show the OP that what he was about to do was extremely risky.

As to this talk about chronic pain and opioids, it's simple: opioids are a double edged sword in that they provide the gift of a pain-free life to those that need them for therapeutic reasons but can destroy the lives of those that abuse this gift for recreational reasons. I hope that made sense .

Chronic pain patients often need opioids to live a functional life. Look at it this way, would you be able to live a normal life or even function if you were in constant severe pain? No person could. Pain has a way of completely overtaking your life if it's not controlled. By giving a CPP an opioid for their pain, it's giving them the ability to remove this pain and live a normal life. By no means does this mean that they're addicted. Remember that addiction is when you go to irrational lengths to get your drug of choice and that your sole focus is getting your drug of choice to the point where your life revolves around it. I can think of very few CPPs that I've met that are like this.

 

[DooMMooD]

to me this makes sense i have a couple friends who have been on them for nearly 10 years and are of course on the steepest om oc out there and wish they could let them go, but understand its a necessary evil. to me this makes sense.

to mr fire and water.. dont send me this, im simply asking for your addy so u cant hide behind the www... i would reply back but dont feel like arguing with a middleschooler, who has not point and case for anything.. cmon man have a valid arguement or something to say rather than a loser, it has zero credibility braa.

Vicoden & redbull huh...loser.
8 months to figure out oxymorphone is addicting...loser
still use lol...loser
asusing drugs, period...loser ((btw not using))
the end...loser

this actually made me laugh a little

And THIS made me laugh lol. If you dont feel like "arguing with a middle schooler" why do you want to fight him? lol (BTW Viken if you read my entire post you will realize I am not picking on you in the slightest).

When someone gets as pissed off as you have , its obvious what the person said hit a nerve with you. Truth sucks sometimes and we usually get pissed when we hear it. We also tend to not like people who are SIMILAR to us.

The truth I think youre find "sucks" is that you cant handle narcotic medications and other people can. That pisses me off too but such is life: some can pick em up and put them down as easily as I do a pencil. And other (such as myself) cant toss that monkey off my back no matter how hard i shake.

No one said you were a loser so why youre harping on that is beyond me. Probably self esteem issues I do the same thing (call myself a POS for various reasons, or explode on others calling them that projecting my own insecurities).

As for F&W: same thing, except reversed. Viken is NOT weak willed. To call all addicts weak willed people is fucking ignorant as shit. Some people can handle em, others can. Such is life. Im sure you would be weak willed too if everytime you took an opiate it felt like god himself was coming down from heaven and cradling your soul. Im sure you're "weak willed" in ways Viken is not. Addiction has a LARGE genetic component, so how will has anything to do with genes is beyond me.

Count yourself lucky F&W that you dont have the "addict gene" otherwise you wouldn't be able to get the relief you do from narcotics. Instead your day would revolve around every next dose; the narcotics wouldn't improve your life, they would be your life. And that is a difference between an addict and someone who can legitimately use the medication.

Once again, when you find the thing that feels like god to you, see how hard it is for you to stop. Do you call all fat people weak willed? All diabetics? Is a lung cancer smoker weak willed b/c he couldn't quit? Do you gamble? Get my point F&W? All are a mixture of genes and the environment your mind developed in. Im sure you have a fault and are gluttonous on some front.

Someone who started smoking crack at age 13 and cant stop at age 26 is way past "weak willed". Their brain has literally formed around that chemical, and is fundamentally different than yours. Without it they would be a mess. Is that lack of willpower?

Beyond all of that, willpower always has the chance to fail no matter who you are anyway.

Not trying to pick on either of you, but rather point out where you both need to adjust your views a bit.

 

[Fire&Water]

And THIS made me laugh lol. If you dont feel like "arguing with a middle schooler" why do you want to fight him? lol

When someone gets as pissed off as you have , its obvious what the person said hit a nerve with you. Truth sucks sometimes and we usually get pissed when we hear it. We also tend to not like people who are SIMILAR to us.

The truth I think youre find "sucks" is that you cant handle narcotic medications and other people can. That pisses me off too but such is life: some can pick em up and put them down as easily as I do a pencil. And other (such as myself) cant toss that monkey off my back no matter how hard i shake.

No one said you were a loser so why youre harping on that is beyond me. Probably self esteem issues I do the same thing (call myself a POS for various reasons, or explode on others calling them that projecting my own insecurities).

As for F&W: same thing, except reversed. Viken is NOT weak willed. To call all addicts weak willed people is fucking ignorant as shit. Some people can handle em, others can. Such is life. Im sure you would be weak willed too if everytime you took an opiate it felt like god himself was coming down from heaven and cradling your soul. Im sure you're "weak willed" in ways Viken is not.

Willpower always has the chance to fail no matter who you are.

He also claims he didnt know he was addicted to oxymorphone until he abused it for 8 months...weak something.

And what is this god you speak of ?

Edit: Yes, freewill has never failed me...

 

[DooMMooD]

Reread the post above yours

Reread my post. Made a long edit. And the god thing is a metaphor...i'm not saying I found god smh. Its a metaphor for the greatest feeling in the world, and until you experience it you have no idea how little will matters. is there nothing you have a hard time doing in moderation? If not you must be the Dalai Llama or something.

 

[Fire&Water]

Reread my post. Made a long edit. And the god thing is a metaphor...i'm not saying I found god smh. Its a metaphor for the greatest feeling in the world, and until you experience it you have no idea how little will matters. is there nothing you have a hard time doing in moderation? If not you must be the Dalai Llama or something.

Why would you need anything more than standing out in the middle of a thousand acre rainforest, in the middle of the night with cyanescens fruiting all around your feet ?

 

[vikenRedbull]

yea.. my bad to all..

i was wrong you were right

 

[Badstones]

Recreational OM use ? Without getting hooked.. Wait wait, I get it now, the person died before the dependencies and addiction set up ! Right ??? ....

-Sunshine.

 

[tricomb]

Hold your hourses vikenbull. Please refrain from making ignorant, semi-coherent posts in my forum. I do not at all appreciate the way you were speaking to regulars like Fire&Water. You've contributed 40 posts, and I know that at least 3 of them aren't contributions at all, I hope this is not a pattern with your posting style because you need to re-read the OD Guidlines and BLUA.

If you blatantly attempt to fight any other members of my forum then you will receive an infraction for abuse. Just because you're new to this community gives you no right to treat Bluelighters, especially those like Fire&Water who has contributed a lot of helpful information over the years.

As for 8 months until realization of your oxymorphone addiction, I have no idea how that happens, but my guess might be denial? Or some flavor of justification or rationalization.

And oxymorphone has helped countless chronic pain patients who, when nothing else worked, found Opana and it truly was a miracle drug, til the reformulation. I definitely do not regret going on opioid therapy for chronic pain and I doubt 9/10 CPPers actually would rather go through it all again without analgesia just because their dependency on opioids got so bad.

The risks of taking opioids long term:

-risking low testosterone
-hyperanalgesia
-dependency
-cognitive effects


Risks of not medicating:
-risking severe psychological issues
-suicide
-extreme weight and hair loss
-harder to maintain proper diet or exercise
-isolation
-decreased mobility
-inability to work or pursue education.
-having your loved ones watch you wither away
-no appetite
-no self-respect
-self pity

So yeah, for severe chronic pain, the results favor incredibly towards necessary medication vs. not-medicating and living with pain. Many of us don't have a choice regarding whether we want to be dependent on our prescribed narcotics, or "live" with the pain.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Oxymorphone has nothing to do with (satan) ? When you are weak willed, stay away...
"8 months, laugh out loud" ? wtf...?

He also claims he didnt know he was addicted to oxymorphone until he abused it for 8 months...weak something.

freewill has never failed me...

I was trying not to get involved, but I just wanted to say Fire & Water is not 100% innocent in the situation. Vikenredbull was certainly way out of line in the way he was expressing himself, especially the posts about taking the argument off the forum (?!), but it did seem like F&W was being judgemental and ignorant about addictions and sort of egging Vikenredbull on. As DoomMood explained, addiction has nothing to do with being "weak-willed". And it is wrong to make fun of someone simply because they said it took them 8 months to realize they had an addiction - that is perfectly normal when it comes to addictions. A person who is able to use drugs without becoming addicted is not any better or stronger than someone who can't, they are just lucky in that they do not have a brain that is predisposed for addiction. It is much easier for them and has nothing to do with willpower.

Many of us don't have a choice regarding whether we want to be dependent on our prescribed narcotics, or "live" with the pain.

You could say the same thing about most people with addictions: they are self-medicating for pain, whether it be physical pain, depression, anxiety, childhood trauma, etc. Many addicts feel like their choices are limited to suffering and not being able to function, or using the drug (and they usually are limited to those choices in the short-term, it takes a lot of time and effort to begin to see other possibilities). No one chooses to have mental health issues or develop an addiction to cope with them. The problem with most addictions is that the long-term risks are not worth the temporary rewards and the addiction itself can become more of a problem than the issues the person was using it to cope with or exacerbate those issues.

A lot of people on BL seem to assume that if opioids are used for pain then a person is guaranteed not to get addicted. But I know a lot of people who started off taking opioids as prescribed for pain and became addicted. It really depends on the person, the state of their mental health, whether they are prone to addiction, whether they start using the drug as an anti-depressant instead of solely for the physical pain, etc. Another factor is that it is different for someone who is going to have severe irreversible pain for the rest of their life and someone who say, is just recovering from surgery and is going to get better in a couple months. If someone is definitely going to be taking the meds forever, then dependence isn't as big of an issue, whereas if someone is going to have to stop taking the meds they can have a lot of problems with the withdrawal symptoms (and PAWS or other long-term effects like hyperagelsia, changed brain chemistry etc) when they try to quit. I have had friends who only realized they were addicted to their pain meds when it became time for them to quit and they couldn't control their taper or couldn't handle the withdrawal symptoms.

I think it's really important for anyone to be completely honest with themselves, to fully consider all the risks, and to only take the bare minimum amount of a narcotic as needed for actual physical pain if they are going to use them and would like to avoid addiction or other adverse effects.

 

[Badstones]

There is one thing I would like to say about the whole Didn't get hooked for 8 months thing.. I started using pain medication after a duel surgery on my thumb and wrist. My doctor way over prescribed ( I am not putting blame on him, he was showing mercy.. It wasn't his fault my background with addiction wasn't documented for him.. It wasn't his fault because I never told him.) for the amount of pain I was in, also the duration the pain would stay. He gave me in total three Rx's for 60 percocet 7.5's.

At the time, eating half of one 7.5 absolutely blasted me. It gave me a super human like amount of energy, I could sleep 4 hours a night and still kill it at work and as a new father. I was working anywhere from no less then 50 HR weeks, all the way to 72 HR (Yes, 72 HR) work weeks, had a brand new baby with torticollis, Systemic Mastocytosis (which kept us in the hospital more then at home for the first year of her life) and a swollen liver. The pills where no longer for pain relief, they where now for making it through the day. However, at this point I had never heard about dependency.. Didn't even understand the concept, people kept telling me I was going to get addicted to these things and the whole time all I ever thought was psychologically.

I had about 6 pills left when my neighbor ran a screw straight through his thumb. He went to the ER and had it patched up, then went to see a specialist for surgery/repair. He was a hard ass Kentucky country boy who would not touch the pills, so when his wife had them filled he offered them to me for about 1/20th the price.. So I bought em, not knowing that later on when I had to have them that the price would be muchhhh higher.

Between the surgery I had, and my neighbors initial Rx's/after surgery Rx's combined with a still fairly low tolerance I was able to take a couple pills (in the beginning) to 10-15 (towards the end of the cheapies) a day for around .. Oh I guess about 9 months or so.

I eventually ran out and didn't think much about it besides the days at work where going to be a little more boring and it would be a lot tougher to be SUPER DAD!!! when I got home. The first day at work without them, around the middle of the day I started feeling pretty shitty. I told one of the truck drivers who hauled my lumber packages that I thought I was coming down with something. He knew I had been taking pills daily as I would share them with him from time to time and he informed me that I was "Pill Sick". I didn't understand so he proceeded to explain this anomaly to me and when I said he was fucking crazy he made me a bet.. He said that he would give me a loratab 10, and if it made me feel better that I would owe him the price of that pill, but if I still was sick that it was on him. I had plenty of cash and at the very worst I was out a little cash so I took him up on it.. He handed me the pill and jumped into his truck to deliver a lumber package.

30 Minutes later I wasn't so sick.
45 Minutes later I was pretty much cured.
60 Minutes later I began to realize just how fucked I was.

I guess I can kind of see what he is saying about not getting hooked for 8 months, if by that he means he didn't realize.

-Sunshine.

 

[Jktm]

lol...as far as the OP's question, it's been answered and he hasn't posted here (or anywhere else on the site) since lmfao...funny how these threads can sometimes just keep going and going without getting closed, but I guess it's still kind of on the same topic...this thread should be renamed "The Opioid Addiction/Dependence Megathread" lmfao...

As far as the little debate going on...this is what I have to say...

I have to agree with tricomb 100% on the detrimental effects of a CPP using/not using opioids for pain management...

Before I got "drug" by a car, I was already in chronic pain...it wasn't "severe" but it was bad enough that I couldn't hold any type of job I could get (which was limited as I haven't earned a college degree yet)...

I tried working at McDonald's for a couple weeks, but couldn't handle it because of my back pain...when I quit, I took my check and bought a QP of some reggie and started slingin 20 sacks (and I was fair in that I used scales and didn't jew anyone)...as my customer base grew and I started getting to where I was moving half and elbow of the stuff every 2-3 days I started buying vicodin for pain...I started out taking about 4 of them a day (I would dose 2 of them twice) which still wasn't enough to completely get rid of my pain...when I moved into moving mid-grade and started getting to where I could sell my shit at the fair price of 5 bucks a g and was moving a QP of the mids every day I started taking more vicodin...got to the point to where I was taking about 6 of them/day and on occasion would pop an MS-Contin 30 which was enough to manage my pain, but not enough to completely get rid of my it...

well...one of my lesser-endowed-with-cash customers got with someone and tried to set me up to jack my stash, but luckily my car was fucked up and I had to hitch a ride with a friend to the exchange (I guess it was lucky that they only got 50 bucks worth of shit instead of the whole stash..........)...When I got out of the car, the guy I knew had started walking towards the car, but stopped when he saw me open the passenger side door...he stammered that I needed to do business with the driver (the guy I didn't know) very awkwardly and said he had just gotten out to look for his phone...

As I was halfway in the car window doing business, he asked to see the sack...I handed it to him, not thinking anything of it as I was halfway in the car already and the other guy wasn't sitting down yet...well, right after I handed it to him, the other guy sat down...the driver looked at me and asked how much was in the sack...I said "10 grams on the money" and he looked at me with a funny look in his eye and repeated "10 grams on the money?" and let off the brake...I knew what was going on and tried to reach for the sack and he floored it with more than half my torso in the car...I had to grab ahold of the inside of the car behind the drivers side window to keep from getting my feet from ran over as he had to turn towards me as he drove off to avoid hitting the vehicle I had come in...he had gotten up to around 35 or 40 MPH very quickly, and this is when I had come to the realization that I could bail then, or get thrown from the car, and probably sucked under it when he had to turn left at the stop sign ahead...at this point I was parallel to the ground and when I pushed off I landed face-first, slid a few feet, and then started to bounce and roll...

It's funny how your body is programmed so that when something REALLY REALLY SHITTY happens to you, it keeps you from feeling it as it happens and sometimes even a couple seconds after it happens, but then let's you know just how shitty it was immediately after...I go to stand up after I halt and feel a little pain, but the second I get to my knees it hit me like a freight train...blood is runny all down my face, and pretty much anywhere else that wasn't covered by clothes, and then even in places on my legs that were in my jeans were bleeding...Went to the house to tell my parents what happened...well...tried to at least...was really difficult because of the pain I was in...from there we go to the ER and discuss what exactly needs to be said to the people at the hospital...it took 2 pushes of morphine to get me to where I was about down to a 7...they fix me up, dug the rocks out of my face, put 17 (5 where internal) stitches across my eyebrow, took x-rays, did a CT-Scan, put my arm in a temp cast, fed me a couple yellow norco 10s, and sent me home with norco 7.5/325s (the orange ones) and that was that...looked like two-face for a couple weeks, started using a cane, and have been using it ever since (it's been 17 months now)...

This is what I looked like about 5 hours after I got out of the ER:

NSFW:

I burned through the script they gave me within 2 days (was taking 75-90mg/day) and started spending every last cent I made off of bud the next 2 weeks towards more pain pills...after nearly getting busted in my own driveway I stopped moving the stuff and lived off of what I had for a little bit and then just dealt with it...After having an episode with my neck about 6 weeks after the incident, I finally had, had enough and went to a doctor about my chronic pain (which I had done before, but got treated as a drug seeker)...

She started me on 400mg tramadol/day and referred me elsewhere and they started me on 30mg flexeril/day...when that quit being enough, they started me on gabapentin, titrated me up to 2400mg/day before switching me to 300mg lyrica/day (and I don't understand why I'm only taking 2 times per day as opposed to the three times/day I was taking the gabapentin)...

Present day I'm to the point that I run out of tramadol 2+weeks prior to getting the next script, I go through the withdrawals taking more of the flexeril and the lyrica than directed to help make it more tolerable (as I get withdrawals+horrible pain as opposed to the just feeling like shit, not being able to sleep, and shitting every hour on the hour), and run out of them early due to over-consumption of them while I'm out of tramadol...

I can't work, I'm depressed as a mother fucker, I've developed anxiety problems, I have trouble standing up, I have insomnia, I'm gaining weight because I can't exercise and the uber-constipation I have from the tramadol and other medications I'm on, I have trouble sitting through lectures (and I have no idea how I'm gonna be able to do the 17 hours I NEED to do this next semester), I fucking hate myself, and I don't even turn 21 until November...

I don't give a fuck if it fucks my liver and kidneys (if they don't the 8 Tylenol, 12 Ibuprofen, and 12 Aspirin I take on top of them will), I don't give a fuck if it gives me the worst dependence in the world, I don't give a fuck if I have to go to the doctor's office every month for the rest of my life, I want to be put on SOMETHING stronger, and the only options left ARE opioids...I've done everything else...chiropractic adjustments, TENS units, UV Therapy, Physical Therapy, Decompression Therapy, Aqua Therapy, Trigger-Point Dry-Needling + TENS to put the muscle the needle is in to spasm, Epidural/Spinal Injection/Nerve Block...I guess I could try accupuncture, but I've already tried the western medicine version of it (the dry needling)...I have 180lb men walk on my back and even lightly bounce for relief...I can take a 100mg MS-Contin and not get high, so if they were to put me on 2 or 3 of those a day (or 2-3 80mg OPs) and something for breakthrough pain (which I would probably be having to use most of them every day) and had me on that shit for 20 years, titrating my doses and switching meds when need be, I guarantee you, I would not say that I wish I had never taken that first pill...If they were to put me on kpins/vallium/lorazepam/whatever for anxiety/muscle relaxation, I would not regret it...anything they can give me that will make me more comfortable without killing me/causing major medical problems within 10 years I will take with a smile on my face...

I've tried anti-depressants, I've tried buspar, I've tried abilify, I've tried seroquel...they either didn't do a damn thing or they made me go fucking nuts and kept me from being able to sleep even after taking 250mg of diphenhydramin HCL, 152mg of diphenhydramine citrate, 100mg of doxylamine, an assload of melatonin, valerian root, and passion flower all at once, and then also gave me serotonin syndrome so fuck those...I've tried just about everything there is to offer, spent THOUSANDS of dollars on diagnostics, doctors visits, PT, chiro visits, and medications (and that's with me having EXCELLENT health insurance thanks to my mom) and I'm fucking sick of it...give me the hyperalgesia, dependence, and low testosterone...fuck...my spinal stenosis already causes me to have ED and get epididymitis every few weeks anyway so who gives a shit...I'd rather be in less pain...

Sorry for the rant/novel/story time...I'm sure most, if not everyone wont read it because of it's length, but eh...I put in my two cents and then some, and that's all that matters to me lmfao...

and no, I'm not a newbie...while I'm a greenlighter with like twenty-something posts, this isn't my first account here, and I'm about to go delete the 1700 posts of the more than 2000 I've posted on my previous account before I delete it when I get back to the house...for those that know me/wonder who I am, this is doug...

Be safe BL'ers...

 

[DonStatus]

If I could give you my personal advice, it would be to avoid the stronger opiates like the plague. They are simply too good to be true, they make you feel such powerful feelings of well-being and virtually eliminate all feelings of depression and worry. Doing so, they are EXTREMELY addictive! its easy to say you wont get addicted and only occasionally use them, but sadly that almost never happens. I myself had a deep depression and anxiety problems from a coke habit I had for a while which made the opiates all too good to be true. Long ranting story made short: drink a little cough syrup with codeine to start, its still habit forming but a hell less painful.