Kratom Questions for those who have tried Kratom

[Spurs_1882]

I have the opportunity to try kratom but I suffer badly from nausea (I have a very sensitive gut and a diagnosis of functional nausea).

How bad is the nausea from kratom likely to be? Codeine and dihydrocodeine make me fairly nauseous. Is it a case of everyone gets it or are some people okay? Is there anything you can do to mitigate it and are certain strains of it less likely to produce that effect?

I'm taking pregabalin and amitriptyline every day, have done for 10 years, am obviously completely tolerant etc. Is it okay to have kratom on top of these? I'm guessing so since they are not doing anything other than keeping me out of withdrawals, actually I think the amitriptyline still causes constipation but that's okay, I can sort that with laxatives, even if kratom makes it worse.

Any replies much appreciated.

 

[doubledog]

Everybody is slightly different, but I had to stop using kratom due to nausea. I really could not tolerate it. It was even worse after regular use.

 

[chippermonk]

I take it at the lowest range, 1g-2.5 g . The one time I tried going up to about 4 g, I felt awful and thought I'd puke. I personally refuse to go up that high again.
But those lower doses work well enough for me. But I also only take it 1 or 2 times a week max these days. Personally, I think it can be a nice little thing to do, but it doesn't work well if I increase my frequency. Kind of meh then.

 

[puke]

I take it at the lowest range, 1g-2.5 g . The one time I tried going up to about 4 g, I felt awful and thought I'd puke. I personally refuse to go up that high again.
But those lower doses work well enough for me. But I also only take it 1 or 2 times a week max these days. Personally, I think it can be a nice little thing to do, but it doesn't work well if I increase my frequency. Kind of meh then.

U take the leaf or 7oh?

 

[placebonaut]

I was growing my dosage up steadily to fairly high levels, started getting nausea and then I suddenly it made me throw up.

I can't eat it any more, even a 1-2g will make me puke.

making a tea with it really helps boil it in a pan and filter through a coffee filter, I can still keep that down fine but iirc you need to dose higher when you make tea, I also found adding honey to it helped, as does reducing it so you can swallow the tea in a single gulp.

 

[chippermonk]

U take the leaf or 7oh?

Leaf

 

[Spurs_1882]

When you get nauseous from it, does it spoil the high or is it still good? I'm guessing it spoils it from what people have said. Many thanks everyone who replied, by the way.

 

[happyherbal]

Nausea seems to vary quite a bit from person to person, and some people are definitely more sensitive to it than others. I’d be especially cautious in your situation, though. Kratom can interact with medications, and combining it with pregabalin and amitriptyline could increase the risk of sedation and other side effects. I’d check with your doctor or pharmacist before trying it. I wouldn’t rely on a particular strain being gentler on your stomach either.

 

[Jube18]

Kratom can definately cause nausea, but the drug effects are usually mild compared to actual opiates, which kratom mimics. You can get mild stimulant/mood boosting effect from kratom at low doses which shouldn't cause nausea. I was addicted to kratom for years, I preferred red vein kratom for its more relaxing effects.

 

[placebonaut]

When you get nauseous from it, does it spoil the high or is it still good? I'm guessing it spoils it from what people have said. Many thanks everyone who replied, by the way.

the nausea passes and doesn't effect the high - unless it makes you sick and you off load the kratom....

in my case it seems to have been that classic case of once something makes you sick your body just rejects it forever more as it treats it as a poison - my own fault, I pushed things too hard/fast

 

[drewbocop]

I have the opportunity to try kratom but I suffer badly from nausea (I have a very sensitive gut and a diagnosis of functional nausea).

How bad is the nausea from kratom likely to be? Codeine and dihydrocodeine make me fairly nauseous. Is it a case of everyone gets it or are some people okay? Is there anything you can do to mitigate it and are certain strains of it less likely to produce that effect?

I'm taking pregabalin and amitriptyline every day, have done for 10 years, am obviously completely tolerant etc. Is it okay to have kratom on top of these? I'm guessing so since they are not doing anything other than keeping me out of withdrawals, actually I think the amitriptyline still causes constipation but that's okay, I can sort that with laxatives, even if kratom makes it worse.

Any replies much appreciated.

You shouldn't combine kratom and amitriptyline. That is considered a dangerous interaction. Tread lightly, brother. Watch that serotonin.

I was growing my dosage up steadily to fairly high levels, started getting nausea and then I suddenly it made me throw up.

I can't eat it any more, even a 1-2g will make me puke.

making a tea with it really helps boil it in a pan and filter through a coffee filter, I can still keep that down fine but iirc you need to dose higher when you make tea, I also found adding honey to it helped, as does reducing it so you can swallow the tea in a single gulp.

You're destroying the alkaloids by boiling.

 

[placebonaut]

You're destroying the alkaloids by boiling.

yep, but at the time it was either that or just throw the whole batch in the bin, not sure how quickly the alkaloids degrade with heat, certainly weaker for the same dosage as a tea, but what can you do

 

[Bleaney]

I have the opportunity to try kratom but I suffer badly from nausea (I have a very sensitive gut and a diagnosis of functional nausea).

How bad is the nausea from kratom likely to be? Codeine and dihydrocodeine make me fairly nauseous. Is it a case of everyone gets it or are some people okay? Is there anything you can do to mitigate it and are certain strains of it less likely to produce that effect?

I'm taking pregabalin and amitriptyline every day, have done for 10 years, am obviously completely tolerant etc. Is it okay to have kratom on top of these? I'm guessing so since they are not doing anything other than keeping me out of withdrawals, actually I think the amitriptyline still causes constipation but that's okay, I can sort that with laxatives, even if kratom makes it worse.

Any replies much appreciated.

Kratom is a pretty contentious subject re a sensitive gut IME. On the positive side if you can limit your doses, it can help with an easily upset stomach, and totally eliminate diarrhea etc from your life.

However, if you take it in powdered form, and take too much, it can soon overwhelm your colon, as it's all insoluble fiber, and the more you consume, the more it just builds up in your colon, to the point of almost total GI transit failure, or just producing a few rabbit droppings every couple of days at best. The powder is highly hygroscopic, and so it draws water out of the stools in the colon, making them dry, compacted, small, and hard to pass.

Making teas by using kratom leaf formulations, or straining off the powdered leaf vein with cheesecloth etc can help reduce or totally eliminate the consumption of powder. But this is a lot more time consuming, as it requires time to prep. Apparently this is done by all those who partake of kratom in the regions where it grows natively. Presumably, they must know something that many of us in the West don't.

But even the tea kind of agitates my stomach. It could be interpreted as an appetite / hunger booster, but I interpret the sensations as agitation. Eating something does settle the problem. Even the tea can dramatically slow down GI transit time, but the strength of this effect are dose dependent.

It mixes fine with pregabs, but I note that someone else has warned about combining with amitriptyline