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Questions About DMT

Mac98

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Hi y'all!

I just recently found a source for 5-MEO-DMT. I have a few questions, though, about how to respect DMT. I'm not using it for recreational purposes, I actually want to respect its beneficial qualities.

I have a few questions though. I don't have THAT much experience with psychedelics and hallucinogens. I've done Salvia (30x) about 5 times. "Bad tripped" once (not really a bad trip. I found my cat and started petting him and it passed, but had he not been there, panic would've set in really fast).

I've done shrooms once but it was in a tea brew (I have digestive problems and felt that maybe eating them straight up would give me problems). The thing is, though, that even though I was high, I wasn't tripping at all. Mild hallucinations (5$ bill was melting, lights were brighter than usual and wavy) but other than that, it was just intense nausea, fatigue and fever.

I've been a little scared of doing LSD for the simple reason that I don't trust acid. If I knew I was getting premium quality LSD like back in the 70s, I'd be less skepticle. Also, I'm not too keen on the 10-hour high. If I'm gonna' bad trip, I don't want it to last a full day, y'know?

My final question is just about storage. How long can I keep DMT before it starts going bad. If I could, I'd order it this week and keep it until I'm ready to try it, but I don't know where I'd be supposed to keep it if ever it takes a year before I try it or something...

Thanks in advance!
 
Just so we're clear DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are two very different compounds with effects at polar opposite ends of the spectrum.
 
It's 5-MEO-DMT and as far as I know, it's just much stronger than DMT...

Both are Dimethyltriptamine, right? Both are extremely strong hallucinogens that last anywhere between 10 and 20 minutes...
 
op, what are your questions? the only question you appear to have asked is how to store it. the rest was babble
 
^ he is also unable to accept that 5-meo-dmt is qualitatively differnt from dmt.... wierd
 
5-MeO-DMT is NOT N,N-DMT. It is a qualitatively very different substance that is much closer to bufotenin from toads. It is definitely more potent (5-10mg is a good dose) than N,N-DMT (compare a 50mg breakthrough dose) but is far more overwhelming and less pleasant.

N,N-DMT is N,N-dimethyltryptamine, a "classical" hallucinogen that will produce a trippy mindstate etc for up to an hour depending on dose. It's usually extracted from plant sources and is illegal almost everywhere (in purified form.) It is usually smoked or used orally with a MAOI. Intense hallucinations last for a short while but the majority is over in 30 mins. This is the compound people refer to when you talk about DMT! DMT trips are notably uplifting and, though they can be ego-crushing, they are not the same as 5-MeO trips.

5-MeO-DMT is a derivative of N,N-DMT - 5-methoxy-N,N,dimethyl-tryptamine. The 5-methoxy substitution brings the molecule even closer to "looking" like serotonin at your body's receptors. As a result it produces an even stronger excitation of the nervous system resulting in a much more "intense" trip. It is usually much less "psychedelic" and positive than straight N,N-DMT, and more "ego-crushing". Typical trips include visions of bright white light consuming everything, total ego destruction, and convulsions. 5-MeO-DMT is uncontrolled in most countries (except USA) and is a syntheic compound.
 
5meo-DMT isn't DMT. DMT is in a league all by itself, a lot more fun and psychedelic. Some people like 5-meo and some don't but it's not to be put in the same boat as DMT I'm afraid.

Get yourself some mimosa and extract it.
 
ColtDan said:
op, what are your questions? the only question you appear to have asked is how to store it. the rest was babble
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1: Is it really THAT important to get used to hallucinogens before trying DMT?
2: Where or how do I store it?
3: Is there much of a difference between DMT and 5-MEO-DMT


twelvesevndi said:
^ he is also unable to accept that 5-meo-dmt is qualitatively differnt from dmt.... wierd
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I'm not arguing the difference, I'm just questionning it. I don't know the difference between DMT and 5-meo apart from what I've heard from Terence McKenna and Joe Rogan.

How strong is the 5-meo trip compared to the DMT trip?
 
1: Is it really THAT important to get used to hallucinogens before trying DMT?

DMT can be very intense and it is recommended that you have some experience with Psychedelics before diving in the deep end with DMT

2: Where or how do I store it?

Generally in a cool, dark and dry place in a sealed bag and/or air tight container with a desiccant is a preferred method of storage.

3: Is there much of a difference between DMT and 5-MEO-DMT

See sekio's , cryptix420's , and Ismene's posts above.

Mac98 said:
How strong is the 5-meo trip compared to the DMT trip?
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Again, see sekio's post above.

5-MEO-DMT is at least 4x's more potent than DMT in the amount that you use and both are really intense but the two trips are completely different.
 
4-AcO-DMT is a prodrug to psilocin - or 4-HO-DMT. Psilocin is the active "trippy" constituent in psilocybin mushrooms. It's one of the "classical" psychedelics and is very well
documented.

The three compounds share a common dimethyltryptamine nucleus, but they differ by a few atoms here and there. The end result of this seemingly small change is a drasic change to where these chemicals go in your brain, and explains the different effects each produces.

Again, just because it has "DMT" in the name does not mean it is the "king of psychedelics" N,N-DMT. If the only experience you have with psychedelic drugs is learned second-hand from Rogan/McKenna, I would be very careful with dosing and get someone experienced to watch over you if you do decide to trip.

Storage, as <<ellisd>> pointed out, should be in a cool dark place away from moisture. It's good practice to keep your containers clearly labeled to avoid mixups, too.

Subjectively, here's what you can expect from each:
N,N-DMT smoked in a pipe - brightening of colors, loss of body boundaries, colorful fractal visions, breathing surfaces, distortion of the sense of time and body identity, euphoria. Lasts about an hour.
5-MeO-DMT, snorted or smoked - blinding. white. light. and the void of nothingness. Ego loss. A sensation of being crushed. Shorter and overall 'rougher/stronger' in terms of effects. 2-4x as potent, dosage wise. Lasts about an hour, maybe less.
4-AcO-DMT, eaten - very similar to N,N-DMT but much more drawn out. Highly dose dependent - a small dose will enhance mood, emotions, colors etc. but a large dose will destroy your ego just like the other two. 6-8 hours long.
 
Mac98 said:
1: Is it really THAT important to get used to hallucinogens before trying DMT?
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not in my opinion, i went in balls deep with DMT as my first proper phyc. the only things i had experienced before was cannabis and a few very mild doses of shrooms, hardly felt them. the entire DMT experience felt friendly, welcoming and loving. guided. beautiful and profound. very intense and shocking, but it was amazing. i would recommend DMT to anybody as a first phyc. although i would recommend a lower dose than what i started off with. check out my first trip report
 
Thanks guys, for the info.

I'm not too scared of ego-shattering. My info on DMT doesn't come SOLELY from McKenna or Rogan but in large part. I've looked it up on the internet, asked people who've tried it about it. I want to transcend time and space and am not really scared of it. I might regret this if I start tripping out, but right now, I'm not too scared of it.

That being said, my source right now only gives me 5-meo, not nn-dmt. I'll keep getting used to Salvia, I'll try shrooms a bit more but I can't pass up the chance of trying DMT, even if it's 5-meo... I feel it would be foolish.

Again, thanks for the advice and info and keep 'em coming. I like learning about this stuff!
 
I did hear one trip report from a guy who took 5meo who said it was like "an elephant sitting on my head" because he had so much pressure in his cranium.
 
5-MEO-DMT will rip your soul into two, drag both parts through hell and then just maybe bring you back to life. I'd really consider you look into 5-MEO-DMT before you go and try it. Powerful substance.

I'm not too scared of ego-shattering.
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Try snorting 25-30mg's and tell me you weren't scared. Your a fool to take 5-MEO-DMT lightly.
 
^If you fear it then of course you going to have a bad experience. Not being afraid of something is not the same as taking it lightly. You can't really prepare for 5-meo-dmt, what's the point of being scared of it? There isn't. Just experience it.
 
OP, I've experienced ego-shattering twice, and I'm sure many people here have had it more times than that. Let me say that until you've experienced it, you don't know what you have to be afraid of. Not an experience I would actively seek out. If it happens to you, it's likely to be one of the worst things you'll ever go through.
 
I'd say there is very little that can prepare you well for 5-MeO-DMT, the same goes for N,N-DMT.

Actually also a lot of other psychedelics but with a little less of that lightning intensity. Trying other psychedelics first before DMT or 5-MeO-DMT isn't entirely necessary IMO but still it provides some steps of altered states in between what you are used to normally and the farthest out you can possibly be. I don't find it particularly wise to go from no experience to the most intense one I can think of or ever had from several tens of different drugs that I have tried in my life. It is just so hard to integrate, and also heavy to deal with. So my advice is still: try other things first. Just better that way.

How to respect all DMT analogues? Well I'd say pay attention to it with your entire consciousness - to how it's serious (not as in grim but as opposed to casual). Take 30 to 60 minutes before you take it to do a few things simultaneously:
- be fully aware of what you are about to do and just the fact that you respect it
- try to be aware of what is going around in your mind lately, the thoughts that come up when you just let anything surface, what are 'current events' so to speak, take the time to check that out thoroughly before you take the DMT so that you covered that already and have a more blank slate.
- great if you know how to meditate, which goes great with the other things I suggest and in certain ways is comparable. If you don't know how to do it, practice it some other times. Really give it a shot. It's quite healthy for putting your thoughts and feelings in order, it's not about believing in it or not, or any religious things. Religion or science, both irrelevant I guess - it's a psychological tool in the first place.

About the paying respect: please understand that I don't mean you should worship it as an external entity! It's not like a god, I see it as a ritual you do for yourself. You make it evident to yourself to just prove your dedication. The intense experiences that you can have are mind manifesting meaning they can just come out unexpectedly in certain ways and be a close up of what is going on mentally. By being respectful and mindful when you start, you synchronize with yourself so to speak. The main goal from this is to prevent dissonance, because otherwise confusion can feed on itself. Thing not yet dealt with can stack up. Being unsynchronized can make you swerve out of balance like a space shuttle with the steering wheel not in center...

I have kept N,N-DMT for more than a year without any sign of degradation but I follow all the rules of storage very neatly: in the freezer, in an air-tight glass container, with a bag of dessicant put in the same container.

Take your time to try out such psychedelics for the first time. :) There is no hurry. Mushrooms or acid are fine to start with, and do them a good bunch of times before proceeding to more powerful ones.
 
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