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Question about dancesafe.......

wow this is turning into a monster thread. and altho it is just a conversation between a couple of people i know that a lot of people here want to know about all this.
um quick easy question first: gas spectro testing is the testing they do on the dancesafe site, which gives a full chemical breakdown of the contents of the pill, ie does it have MDMA, or MDEA, or MDA or speed or caffeine.
to do this a whole pill (sorry whoever asked if they could have the pills back, you cant
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) and crush it and put it in a gas spectrometer which determines its exact chemical make up by the different frequencies of light it refracts (if my high school physics serves me right, anyone feel free to give a better explanation).
in america they have the problem that the DEA wont allow them to publish quantitive data, ie how much of each chemical is in each pill. this is why the reports on dancesafe only list the qualitative data, which chemicals are present.
in europe there seems to be no restrictions so sites like eve have both the chemical and amount.
um and that was the easy question?
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ok the tricky part is wether or not Rave Safe, a government funded body, would want to align themselves with us, a pro-drug bunch of internet pirates.
personally i think they'd be mad to not use this great resource of knowledge and people we got going here, but when it comes to the crunch they may choose not to.
please do not hassle them on this point yet. i am only bringing it up to show what they might think. right now we dont know. lets give them the benefit of the doubt ok?
 
Hey jb, you might wanna give Motab (Moppy)the american dude a holler, he's been working with DREAMSAFE for a while now (testing pills aty raves and handing out fliers aswell as attending seminars and workshops) maybe he could help you out?
as for ME helping out..I'd love to be part of a Sydney syndicate, unfortunately my location wouldn't allow for me to either head it or be the main organiser... but if anyone else in keeon, I'd like to help out
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Cheers,
mona,
PS. note the lack of editing...can you tell I've had G? Teehee
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ta mona, but yeah i knew, (dont tell anyone but i got moppy to poke theo till he replied to me
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unless he forgot of course, which is highly likely) have a god night?
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Arrr ye scurvy landlubbers, gimme a pill! <---pro-drug internet-pirate.
I would be happy to help with testing in Melb if this gets off the ground...
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um well ravesafe melbourne still doesn't return my calls or answer emails...
i seem to be speaking more to the guys at dancesafe in america than locals, which is nice but isnt getting much done...
slowly slowly... *sigh* anyone else had any luck with them?
 
hmmmm....maybe ravesafe are a bit wary about us. They may think we are trying to move in on them or something. I don't see why we can't have an Australian division of dancesafe, they seem a bit more organised and it could be good to have more of a 'global' campaign than just local.
I received an email from Emanuel Sferios the other day. It didn't really say much except link me to the dancesafe testing page, which had some interesting info about their set-up, and he also told me how the police have been raiding and closing down heaps of raves over in the States lately.
Lets hope Australia doesn't start doing the same.
Lee
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hmm this is a good thread, one with which i thoroughly agree with the sentiment.
Having friends involved in Alcohol and Other drug counselling, i know the sensitivities these people have to deal with on a day to day basis. given the shit that they get accused of (as a government department even!) i think it likely that orgs such as dancesafe would prefer to keep arms length associations with us. (Bluelight, no matter for how good the discussion, would still be seen at best to be pro drugs first, harm minimisation second.)
i haven't helped have i!!! but i am here to help. i'm gonna have a think about this.
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ok the word i've been getting is that dancesafe loves bluelight, and loves our work in creating a resposible Ecstacy culture, but of course because of their high profile work they wont openly side with us or be seen to condone us. this is fair enough. they are walking a tricky middle road and best of luck to them...
as for Rave Safe Melbourne? i dont really know... but i think it is important for us top make an alliance with them, it just seems like they are either too busy to think of a new approach or they are indeed warey of us...
 
Hello all.
I have had a pill tested by Dancesafe at a rave and it was quite cool. They even filmed it for some documentary. The guy told me that the place, The peonix theater, gave them permission to test the pills of individual users, that way they could avoid having people pass out and stuff off of bad pills. It was not under the cover of secrecy or anything, right there next to the front door. Needless to say, my pills were good...but the only other person who had the balls to check theirs had DXM...so I guess it really does pay to have them checked..and they used the solution for EZ-Test....well, I hope this helps....
 
yes i did. i finally got an email back from michael at ravesafe today. he told me how he'd been checking out BL and was very excited by it. i'm going to ring him tommorrow to set up a meeting between him and me.
my hope is thats sometime soon we can organise a open meeting for everyone in the melb bluelight community who is interested in harm minimsation where michael can tell us what melb ravesafe is all about.
i'll post more as soon as i know it.
 
YES...FORWARD!!!>>>FORWARD!!!
And if the pills we test take too long to turn purple/black or if they are just "speedy crap" do we get to keep them? do we? I'll take them...hehehe
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mibrane: i sent an email a few weeks ago asking what happening with the idea of us pill testing at the next rave you table...
whats happening?
 
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