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Question about a "ghetto rig" Ayahuasca

Ismene said:
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Yeah it's the DMT that makes you sick. Even if you use extracted DMT crystals you will vomit your guts up.
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I just read a couple threads on shroomery on how to largely avoid the nausea. I'll post how I avoided too much nausea-if that actually happens-in a few days when the MHRB powder and syrian rue I ordered get here.
 
Please report back on the nausea then :)

You can snort DMT freebase, but yoiu don't wan't to snort any kind of freebase as it hurts. You can snort DMT salts like fumarate..

//blazR
 
MagicalOrangutan said:
Well apparently it's not the DMT making people sick since people do drink DMT brews and it does work; otherwise "oral DMT" would not be a phrase used by real people.
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The DMT causes some nausea. When drinking a brew using the mhrb powder, what causes most of the nausea is the fact that you are not only drinking dmt but also all the plant matter that you are consuming along with it. The plant matter is really irritating to your stomach wall. If you were to take pure extracted dmt you would still experience some nausea but you would probably not vomit.

The brew is supposed to be made using broken up pieces of root bark rather than the powder. If you used the root bark pieces you would probably experience much less nausea than you would otherwise using the powder. When you use the powder there are really fine pieces of plant matter that is just impossible to filter out of the liquid and will end up in your stomach. The powder should be used only for extractions.
 
Cool. Do you care to send me a private message explaining the precise details of it? This seems far more simple than any DMT extraction tek I've ever read.
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There's nothing more to it than that. Base, water, MHRB and solvent. Agitate, separate, isolate. Bish bash bosh.
 
It is quite easy actually, STB methods is the same principle so far from what i have read. Some use vinegar, but not as reagent.. It's for neutralizing if spilling any NaOH solution.

There are some tips & tricks however. You need 1 or 2 times to practice, but then it gets easy.
For example: Heating(waterbath! NO FIRE!) the solvent(naphta/heptane) and the NaOH+MHRB solution before filling it in the separatory funnel. hot solvent can hold more alkaloid than cold solvent, plus heat is speading up the process.
For my last extraction, I tried 4 pulls i think before i tried basifying the MHRB solution furtherer - which let to more product(maybe have to be recrystallized, but i doubt it though)

//blazR
 
blazR said:
You can snort DMT freebase, but yoiu don't wan't to snort any kind of freebase as it hurts.
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Whoah blazR, I snorted DMT freebase once and I was left with two vicious alkaline burns under each nostril. Absolute agony. The trip was nowhere near an oral trip either.
 
Vader said:
There's nothing more to it than that. Base, water, MHRB and solvent. Agitate, separate, isolate. Bish bash bosh.
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The thing is though, every tek I've read said to use janitorial strength ammonia to clean the crystals after they freeze-precipitate for 3-4 days; can you just let the naptha evaporate off?
 
alteredstate8 said:
The DMT causes some nausea. When drinking a brew using the mhrb powder, what causes most of the nausea is the fact that you are not only drinking dmt but also all the plant matter that you are consuming along with it. The plant matter is really irritating to your stomach wall. If you were to take pure extracted dmt you would still experience some nausea but you would probably not vomit.

The brew is supposed to be made using broken up pieces of root bark rather than the powder. If you used the root bark pieces you would probably experience much less nausea than you would otherwise using the powder. When you use the powder there are really fine pieces of plant matter that is just impossible to filter out of the liquid and will end up in your stomach. The powder should be used only for extractions.
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Some threads on various forums I've read said that DMT is fully responsible for the nausea, some say it's the other plant material, some say both. I have read that using egg whites will separate some of the "tannins" from the solution, though.
 
Don't do an ammonia wash. If you're using naphtha, you can just put it in the freezer and DMT will precipitate out, then you filter it, save the DMT, reuse the naphtha. You don't really need to wash it, but if you really want, you can use water, or dilute CaCO3 solution. You can also evaporate the naphtha, but then you'll end up with a less pure product.
 
Vader said:
Don't do an ammonia wash. If you're using naphtha, you can just put it in the freezer and DMT will precipitate out, then you filter it, save the DMT, reuse the naphtha. You don't really need to wash it, but if you really want, you can use water, or dilute CaCO3 solution. You can also evaporate the naphtha, but then you'll end up with a less pure product.
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Thank you for the useful information.
 
Vader said:
You're welcome. Don't hesitate to get in touch if you need any help.
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Based on what everyone says, the only "help" I might need is psychiatric help, in case I trip too hard on DMT, lol!

Seriously though, sounds like a plan. I do know that DMT is supposedly partly responsible for that generally euphoric feeling you get when you're nice and tired and half asleep laying in bed; is that anything like DMT, even if less intense, in your experience?
 
The only thing I can really compare to DMT are other psychedelic tryptamines, but even my wildest mushroom trips were nothing, visually, on what DMT does to me. I think you're talking about the state of hypnogogia- if so, then no, that's not what DMT is like. Hypnogogia is much like dreaming, DMT is like... having a four-dimensional wasp goddess make gentle psychic love to you.
 
Vader said:
The only thing I can really compare to DMT are other psychedelic tryptamines, but even my wildest mushroom trips were nothing, visually, on what DMT does to me. I think you're talking about the state of hypnogogia- if so, then no, that's not what DMT is like. Hypnogogia is much like dreaming, DMT is like... having a four-dimensional wasp goddess make gentle psychic love to you.
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holy shit, this here is the most gorgeous description of it I've ever read; here in a few days I'll make my own description :D

How does DMT compare and contrast to LSD-25? Based on what I've read, it's easier to obtain nuclear weapons-grade enriched plutonium than real LSD-25 as opposed to bullshit being sold as "LSD" on the streets (ok that's an exaggeration but still), so I don't plan on really trying to go and get it anytime soon.
 
Different beasts, really. Obviously they're both psychedelic drugs, but for me, the differences between them are greater than the similarities. DMT is almost entirely a visual experience for me, with some euphoria and a little rushing sensation in the body. LSD is mentally deeper, makes everything seems significant and beautiful, makes music sound gorgeous... as I say, they're two very different drugs.
 
Only thing I can add to this thread is that any plant that is powdered will oxidize and decline rapidly in quality. It's better to receive the whole herb (or even pieces of the herb) and work with those because the chemistries inside are more preserved.
 
Foreigner said:
Only thing I can add to this thread is that any plant that is powdered will oxidize and decline rapidly in quality. It's better to receive the whole herb (or even pieces of the herb) and work with those because the chemistries inside are more preserved.
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So the product will be worthless as soon as it gets to me, or...? People do use powdered bark as far as I'm aware..
 
I've used bark that's been powdered for months without appreciable loss of potency. I've also never noticed any degradation of my extracted DMT over time.
 
MagicalOrangutan said:
I do know that DMT is supposedly partly responsible for that generally euphoric feeling you get when you're nice and tired and half asleep laying in bed; is that anything like DMT, even if less intense, in your experience?
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That's what Rick Strassman claims - DMT is related to dreams but a DMT trip is nothing like dreaming.

I have read that using egg whites will separate some of the "tannins" from the solution, though.

There's a good chance you'll vomit pretty intensely even with DMT freebase crystals tho - so all the tannins and "egg-whites" sound pretty far fetched to me.

How does DMT compare and contrast to LSD-25?

Comparing oral DMT to LSD - it has a better bodyhigh (once you get over the initial nausea), it's more psychedelic and there's more of a "presence" to it. DMT has the strongest "presence", I think even more than mushrooms. There's something animate about it, like you're with something that's alive and caring for you.
 
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