Queen "disappears" Canadian Mohawk children, Maloney outs Prince Charles, Dunblane

[pinkpapaver]

Vile. And he stole the intro of wouldn't it be nice for the Jim lol fix it theme tune. Jingle jangle.

 

[Sammy G]

Si, my post was a criticism of your eagerness to pursue Charlie Dub purely because of his blood relationship with auld Lord Legless.

I can see how yer man Heath is part of 'The Establishment', and therefore part of the paedo lizard conspiracy you seem anxious to demonstrate to us, but part of the family he is not.

I can't work out if you're barmy or just offensively thick sometimes.

 

[Si Dread]

My eagerness to pursue charlie is based on much beyond mountbatten & unless it is you that is obtuse, you should well know that by now. In this quote you express your opinion that it's "utter swivel-eyed tosh" to suggest that saviles relationship with charles is suspicious, do you not? If that is your contention, it is that which I am addressing by comparing savile-charles & savile-heath. I was not addressing the bottom bit about mountbatten but I can see how you'd make that mistake because I quoted your entire post.

To make is easier for you to understand your own posts, I have quoted you again & bolded the bit I am & was responding to.

I've no love for Charlie Windsor whatsoever, but that is utter swivel-eyed tosh. Are you going to 'investigate' Savile's entire family at the same time? Why not Simon fucking Mayo while we're at it?

A tenuous allegation against one member of the Clan Battenhun does not an overarching conspiracy make. You're obsessed with nonces, and it's pretty disturbing.

This next bit below is unrelated to anything you have posted & is just one of my little thinking outloud thingies.

...there were more than a few talking heads poring scorn upon the savile accusations when they first arose, creepy toothface esther rantzen comes to mind.

Same again! There's lots of pundits expressing their disdain for the "fantasists" who are "jumping on the bandwagon". These are people who have had the courage to come forward & make a proper complaint of childhood abuse by this fat tory bastard, & the media is giving huge, huge exposure to those who knew heath & are convinced, like saviles fucking apologists, that their buddy could never have done something like this, oh no...

The people who live next to mass murderers same the same don't they... "seemed like a nice bloke.."..?

 

[Si Dread]

...if the special branch & the pugs weren't such a lot of corrupt bastards, pandering to their wealthy, lizard overlords (may as well spice it up for Sammy eh?) I'd maybe buy all this shite coming out of these pundits that heath was so well protected throughout his stint as PM & from then on that he could never have had the chance to abuse kids!

Unless the special branch were in on it... right?

Footage showing a senior whip in Sir Edward Heath's government boasting that he could cover up “scandals involving small boys” has resurfaced, shining a new light on claims the Conservative prime minister was allegedly involved in child sex abuse.

Tim Fortescue, who was a whip under Heath between 1970 and 1973, spoke to the BBC in 1995 for a documentary called “Westminster’s Secret Service”.

During the interview, Fortescue said the Prime Minister's chief whip kept a little black “dirt book” of MPs’ secrets to insure the loyalty of politicians.

It comes as Kent Police becomes the fourth force to announce it is investigating historical allegations of sexual abuse by the former prime minister.

Investigations are also underway by the Met, Wiltshire, and Jersey police forces.

Don't trust my dodgy quoting, click the link below & go watch the vid, it's a few mins long at most.

more - http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...ntary-tim-fortescue_n_7933432.html?1438700894

 

[BecomingJulie]

It's the Public School system that is corrupt. Sexual, physical and emotional abuse are rife. Anyone with a Public School education is likely to end up thinking it is just normal. And since they are the ones who go on to be The Establishment and the next generation of Public School teachers, it's just a case of rinse and repeat .....

 

[pinkpapaver]

I've been reading a lot of articles and stuff in the alternative media / truth movement...bitch fest. Whatever you want to call it. There does seem to be a very strange group of people digging around and putting stuff on the Internet. Namely surrounding Chris spivey. Now if you don't know he's an Internet blogger / investigative journalist...whatever you want to call him. So he has been posting articles on the Internet about the royals, the government, their associates alongside articles about false flags and the new world order. The articles are very long but are well sourced with information that is already out there, namely from the daily mail and other mainstream sources. So, there is some decent information hidden among a load of swearing and self indulgent posting...talking about the cost of living and running such an important truth machine.

 

[pinkpapaver]

I'm splitting this coz I don't want to be timed out.
Now, spivey has written a number of articles claiming to pull the lee rigby "beheading" right apart. Again all very long and some somewhat tenuous claims of photo shopped images. You can't see them to believe them because it's all been pulled now...but clearly that incident is not how it was played in the media. Spivey published Lynn rigby / Lynn sevilles address ( there are a lot of name changes in the family, lee himself was once registered as lee mc clure, as that is his fathers name not the step fathers) and contacted her via Facebook . This resulted in spivey being arrested for harassment last year and a conviction last week. Anyway, since his arrest his articles became ridiculous montages of claims that this person was that person look at this photo shopped image, and he's friends with she on Facebook and no one lost legs at Alton towers and you cunts need to come and support me in court. Anyway, articles that are just clear bullshit. Now the worst of it is that should you question Chris's opinions you are very quickly rounded upon by spivey s army. Repulsivly so. And then as I've been reading Chris's articles they have been interspersed with some online / real life gripe between himself and another member of the investigative journalist / Internet hero gang out to expose the paedophiles in power .

 

[pinkpapaver]

And we'll, I be had a bit of time on my hands and just read the spats between them and seen how vile the people this supposed digger and sharer of the truth is. At it Ickey style, the shit coated truth so you re not sure what to believe and are too embarrassed to reference sources like that. There's another one among them who is clearly so flattered pawn in someone's bigger game...she's the vlogger , course spivey so ugly mug wouldn't get the viewers in but there's some woman who tells lies about herself but the troof about the lies wiv bin tawld by the powers that be...sam one told me I was quite fanny and should do some you tube videos.

Names Danielle la verite.

This is the problem, there's a lot of loons and ego and a lot of protecting of pervs in power, alongside the whole disgusting system . It all starts with the monotheism. The monarchy and the money.

 

[maxalfie]

@Pinkpapaver I cannot stand either of the people you've mentioned, i.e Spivey and Dani Lavatory. I have never come across two people that talk such absolute shit and have such a high opinion of themselves.
Regarding Spivey and the Lee Rigby case, all Spivey did was use info available off the internet and newspapers etc and come up with some bullshit story that the whole thing was a false flag operation and that Rigby didn't even exist and yet he then accused Rigby of being a rapist or something, so he either existed or he didn't. It never occurred to Spivey to go to the families local area and enquire as to if anybody knew Lee Rigby.

His more recent posts are surely the writings of a man who is having mental health issues. He accused a bin lorry crash of being a false flag event(yes he really did). What would a lorry crash achieve and what was it a false flag for? Questions he never answered. Then there is all his shit with photo-shopped photos of people claiming that three different people are really one and the same,d'oh! He became a joke in my household guessing which news item he would be accusing of being a false flag event. I honestly think that Mr Spivey needs proper mental health help.

Danielle Le Verite is basically a whinging old fishwife. I've seen videos of hers where she admits to doing no research on a lot of topics she talks about and one classic moment where she explained her dog had eaten all her research. She apparently believes in free speech but has dis-abled comments on her Youtube videos.

The more you look into these so called alternative media truthers the more you realise they just talk absolute crap with no evidence to back up their claims. They are all so quick to accuse public figures of being peadophiles but show us no real evidence of why they think this. Some of their followers appear to be mentally unhinged and like you said if you dare to make a comment questioning what is being said by a 'troother' then their adoring fans will be straight on your case spewing their evil bile at you. Best avoided these types of folk

 

[pinkpapaver]

That is exactly what I experienced with them. Yes indeed the people have a long way to go if they are still seeking leaders of any ilk, never mind that lot of self styled Internet heroes. There is even a video with the song heroes advertising spivey.

 

[Vurtual]

Sound like textbook disinformation sources (or maybe i am...) - what i've read of them seem to be at 'tavistock invented the beatles' level of conspiracy thinking (or russel brand/kanye west's the illuminati-level), so i didn't stay long

 

[Ceres]

It's the Public School system that is corrupt. Sexual, physical and emotional abuse are rife. Anyone with a Public School education is likely to end up thinking it is just normal. And since they are the ones who go on to be The Establishment and the next generation of Public School teachers, it's just a case of rinse and repeat .....

quite true, these schools should all be abolished and that system dismantled. It's not just emotional, physical abuse, it's a superiority complex drilled into those people and their whole network of corrupt friends through the generations.

the thing about conspiracy theorists, is if they keep spouting enough shite eventually one day they will get something vaguely right and think it gives them legitemacy. Like clairvoyants or psychics.

people like alex jones is a classic example. max alfie gets it right in saying these people exhibit clear signs of mental illness and indulging their crackpot paranoid theories is not doing them any help.

flight MH370 is an example of something happening where there is an information vacuum amnd conspiracy theorists fill that vacuum spinning all sorts of mad nonsense until the facts finally come out.

 

[Si Dread]

Spiveys rubbish is also so peppered with profanity that it's close to fucking unreadable. I agree with all the above & I'd like to chuck Michael Shrimpton onto the log pile too, if you dont mind. More on him later if I remember...

I'm back because both the Independent & the Mirror have published claims that "a member of the royal family" was once caught up in a paedo investigation but the CPS dropped the case because of the risk to national security...

Independent - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-ring-before-coverup-excop-says-10126864.html

A member of the Royal family was claimed to be part of a suspected paedophile ring under investigation by police in the late 1980s, a former police officer has said.

The former Metropolitan Police officer says he was told by a detective sergeant that the investigation into the ring, which was also claimed to include an MP, was shut down for national security reasons.

“I was in a car with two other vice squad officers. … The detective sergeant said he had just had a major child abuse investigation shut down by the CPS regarding a royal and an MP,” he told the Sunday Mirror newspaper.

“He did not mention names, but he said the CPS had said it was not in the public’s interest because it ‘could destabilise national security’.”

The police officer identified the two colleagues, the newspaper said.

Sir Allan Green, the Director of Public Prosecutions and head of the CPS at the time the conversation took place, said he was not aware of any child abuse investigations shut down for national security reasons.

He however said he had been asked by a “senior person” if he had heard anything about a named MP being involved in child abuse. He said he had not.

The MP he was asked about has since died, Mr Green said.

A Buckingham Palace spokesperson told the Independent: "If detailed, substantive allegations are made they will be taken seriously and looked into. However, we are not in a position to comment on speculative stories based on a chain of unnamed sources."

The Metropolitan Police has pledged to investigate historical crimes by establishment figures “without fear of favour”.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Steve Rodhouse told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that he was pleased that allegations of cover-ups were coming to light.

"We do think we are getting somewhere with these wider enquiries and we are seeing people coming forward. We have seen lots of coverage this week around allegations of cover-ups, and I think it's helpful that this is being spoken about and people are coming forward.

"We will go where the evidence takes us, without fear or favour, I think that is what the public expect and that is what the investigators are doing and are keen to continue to do."

The Independent Police Complaints Commission is investigating 14 related allegations of impropriety by officer stretching from the 1970s to 2005.

The Home Secretary Theresa May said earlier month that child sexual abuse ran through British society like a “stick of Blackpool rock” and warned that the public did not fully “appreciate the true scale” of exploitation.

Mirror - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex-cop-claims-royal-paedophile-ring-5379159

A royal was in a suspected paedophile ring being investigated by police before an Establishment cover up, it was claimed.

A former Metropolitan Police officer said he was told a member of the Queen’s family and an MP had both been identified as part of a major child abuse inquiry.

But the operation is said to have been shut down by the Crown Prosecution Service for national security reasons.

The claim came as the Met’s deputy assistant commissioner made a fresh appeal for victims of historic child sex abuse to come forward, and vowed: “We’ll go where the evidence takes us.”

The ex-officer told the Sunday Mirror how a named detective sergeant based at London’s Marylebone police station in the late 1980s spoke to him about the investigation and the fact it had been axed.

The former officer said: “I was in a car with two other vice squad officers. They were discussing a madam who had provided a girl of about 15 to Oliver Reed.

“The detective sergeant said he had just had a major child abuse investigation shut down by the CPS regarding a royal and an MP.

"He did not mention names, but he said the CPS had said it was not in the public’s interest because it ‘could destabilise national security’.”

The former officer added: “What I was told has stayed with me to this day.”

The Sunday Mirror has been given the names of his two colleagues and the officer we spoke to said he was passing his information to the police.

Sir Allan Green, Director of Public Prosecutions, when the probe was said to have been axed, told us he was not aware of any paedophile investigations shut down for national security reasons.

But he said had been asked by a “senior person” if he had heard anything about an MP being involved in child abuse. He said he had not.

Sir Allan would not name the MP, but said he has since died. He refused to say what year he was approached or if the interrogator worked for the CPS.

Reed was never prosecuted over underage sex. The probe into the madam was separate to the paedophile ring.

Meanwhile the Met again insisted it was pursuing claims of abuse no matter who was said to be involved.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Steve Rodhouse said: “We have seen lots of allegations of cover-ups, and I think it’s helpful people are coming forward. We will go where the evidence takes us, without fear or favour, I think that is what the public expect.”

Last week it was announced the Independent Police Complaints Commission is investigating 14 separate referrals spanning four decades, amid cover-up claims.

The claims - referred to the IPCC by the Met – allege the force suppressed evidence, hindered or halted investigations and covered up offences because of the involvement of MPs and police officers.

Sarah Green, deputy chairman of the IPCC, said: “I would like to reassure people our investigations will be thorough and robust.”

Former Met deputy commissioner Albert Laugharne said that, while head of Lancashire police, he had been asked by a DPP officer to lie about allegations involving the late Lib dem MP Cyril Smith, later unmasked as a paedophile.

A surveillance operation that unmasked Leon Brittan’s links to child sex abuse is said to have been shut down by Met detectives.

The Sunday Mirror revealed earlier this year how the former Home Secretary was snapped by officers during a 1986 investigation into rent boy orgies run in North London buildings.

But the day before swoops on alleged suspects were due to be carried out, officers on Operation Orchid were told it had been disbanded.

Now the Sunday Mirror and Exaro, a news investigation website, can reveal this is among 14 cover-up allegations against the Met passed to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

A police source told Exaro: “I am surprised this did not happen much earlier.”

Paedophile MP Cyril Smith and top judges were also believed to have been photographed entering the underage sex dens. Sources claim up to 16 high profile figures were due to be arrested.

Brittan was under investigation by the Met over sex abuse allegations at the time of his death in January.

Earlier this month, detectives raided two of his homes.

 

[Sammy G]

Spiveys rubbish is also so peppered with profanity that it's close to fucking unreadable.

Clang!

 

[Si Dread]

Well spotted!

I'm glad you're here, coz I wanted to bounce this Shrimpton shit off you.

Have you heard of this guy? I know little about him other than that he claims to be some sort of ex-secret service chap, & that he is presently doing time for apparently falsely claiming that a nuclear weapon had been hidden in East London & was going to be set off in time for the opening ceremony of the Olympics!

But he has the only credible theory regarding a possible campaign to discredit the monarchy. As part of my informal digging, I have been keeping my eye out for a conspiracy against the royals that might fool me into thinking they're nasty. Apart from some lot who claim to be a "Shadow Monarchy", who were too shadowy for me to learn anything about, this is the only obvious possible explanation for the stuff in the papers about the royal family if they are not true!

According to Shrimpton, the SS were never disbanded after WWII & Nazis & Nazi sympathisers are behind all the global crime, drugs smuggling, paedophilia, people trafficking etc etc. All the large scale crime is by Nazis! It is, according to Shrimpton, no coincidence that industrial sized cocaine production & trafficking happens to have started up in exactly the same part of the world (South & Central America) to which Nazis fled after the war. I'm sure the fact that cocaine only grows in South America might also have something to do with that "coincidence". These nasty naughty Nazi folk have been actively undermining the regimes that destroyed Nazi Germany with global campaigns to destabilise the Western economies & part of their work is to discredit the leaders of the West, including our royals, apparently. They are behind all the dodgy reports of teenage sex by Andrew & the release of videos of saluting queens. Apparently.

Surprisingly, I actually found something in a week old Sunday Times about a Nazi called Barbie, also known as Klaus Altmann & the Butcher of Lyon that backs a little of Shrimptons story. This Nazi escaped Germany after the war, changed his name & set himself up in South America, involving himself with cocaine barons & advising them on how to upscale their business. He was also instrumental in aiding the US military to ambush & kill Che Guevare.

The second life of a Nazi war criminal: German documentary reveals how 'butcher of Lyon' Klaus Barbie became a fixer for drug lords when he went on the run in South America

Barbie became known as Klaus Altmann when he went on the run in 1945

He worked as a druglord fixer in Latin America and met with Pablo Escobar

General Luis García Meza was helped into power in Bolivia by drug money

Barbie tortured top French resistance operatives and is estimated to have been directly involved in the deaths of 14,000 people

A notorious Nazi war criminal, dubbed the 'Butcher of Lyon' during World War II, worked as a druglord fixer while on the run in Latin America and helped bring a right-wing dictator into power.

Klaus Barbie, one of the Gestapo's most brutal criminals, reinvented himself with the help of western intelligence agencies after the fall of the Third Reich.

Using the money generated from the cocaine trade, Barbie helped put General Luis García Meza into power in Bolivia, a new documentary has revealed.

He died aged 77 in a French jail after he was finally deported from Bolivia in the 1980s.

The handwritten memoirs of Barbie reveal he personally tortured top French resistance operatives and is estimated to have been directly involved in the deaths of 14,000 people.

The memoirs were given to filmmakers Peter Mueller and Michael Mueller by lawyers for Barbie, who died in September 1991 from cancer.

Barbie, who adopted the name Klaus Altmann when he went on the run in 1945, was used by both the CIA and Germany's BND intelligence agency.

The son of the deceased Bolivian drug dealer Roberto Suárez confirmed to the filmmakers that Barbie regularly met with his father in the early 80s.

Barbie was also a link man for Colombian drug Lord Pablo Escobar; at the time responsible for the wholesale importation into his country of coca paste from Bolivia.

'This is a core part of our film, the entanglement of Barbie in the so-called cocaine coup of García Meza,' Peter Mueller stressed.

'Barbie was the link between the military, politicians and the drugs mafia of Roberto Suárez.'

more - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-fixer-drug-lords-went-run-South-America.html

 

[Vurtual]

Aside from the butcher of lyon there's well known nazi-south america links facilitated by the vatican and the allies (all the ones that didn't know about rockets ufos or bioweapons) - some of these lovely nazis went to help us spread freedom in the School of the Americas by helping us learn and spread the torture/death squad techniques that were so popular in the region.

This has very little to do with that 'the germans are going to bomb the olympics' geezer who's about as credible as the hollow earth (which is where the nazis are obviously). He might be a good candidate to help discredit the paedophile allegations though.

 

[pinkpapaver]

Well spotted!

I'm glad you're here, coz I wanted to bounce this Shrimpton shit off you.

Have you heard of this guy? I know little about him other than that he claims to be some sort of ex-secret service chap, & that he is presently doing time for apparently falsely claiming that a nuclear weapon had been hidden in East London & was going to be set off in time for the opening ceremony of the Olympics!

But he has the only credible theory regarding a possible campaign to discredit the monarchy. As part of my informal digging, I have been keeping my eye out for a conspiracy against the royals that might fool me into thinking they're nasty. Apart from some lot who claim to be a "Shadow Monarchy", who were too shadowy for me to learn anything about, this is the only obvious possible explanation for the stuff in the papers about the royal family if they are not true!

According to Shrimpton, the SS were never disbanded after WWII & Nazis & Nazi sympathisers are behind all the global crime, drugs smuggling, paedophilia, people trafficking etc etc. All the large scale crime is by Nazis! It is, according to Shrimpton, no coincidence that industrial sized cocaine production & trafficking happens to have started up in exactly the same part of the world (South & Central America) to which Nazis fled after the war. I'm sure the fact that cocaine only grows in South America might also have something to do with that "coincidence". These nasty naughty Nazi folk have been actively undermining the regimes that destroyed Nazi Germany with global campaigns to destabilise the Western economies & part of their work is to discredit the leaders of the West, including our royals, apparently. They are behind all the dodgy reports of teenage sex by Andrew & the release of videos of saluting queens. Apparently.

Surprisingly, I actually found something in a week old Sunday Times about a Nazi called Barbie, also known as Klaus Altmann & the Butcher of Lyon that backs a little of Shrimptons story. This Nazi escaped Germany after the war, changed his name & set himself up in South America, involving himself with cocaine barons & advising them on how to upscale their business. He was also instrumental in aiding the US military to ambush & kill Che Guevare.



more - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-fixer-drug-lords-went-run-South-America.html

Klaus Barbie the master butcher of Leigh on sea... Sheriff fatman.

Isn't what you're on about operation paper clip stuff? The people in charge are sick in the head and that's that.

 

[Vurtual]

On the day that cameron announced an extrajudicial drone killing had happened on 21 august (after the thing it was meant to prevent was supposed to have happened (and even though there were widespread reports of the jihadi in question having been killed on 7th july (and handily pushing his paltry refugee response and commons defeat off the headlines))) [breathe in]

...you'd be forgiven for missing the story about cameron/osbourne advisor and ex-dragon's den star being charged for child sex offences...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/dragons-den-doug-richard-charged-6397928

 

[Si Dread]

Dunblane Cover-Up - I need some help from my sceptical friends!

...or anyone else who knows how to find answers...

These photo's of Prince Charles & Jimmy Savile having fun include a round little fellow who looks remarkably like Thomas Hamilton without glasses. A google search for "Prince Charles Thomas Hamilton" brings up this photo. Is it him? I see many connections. The man is round, like Hamilton. Hamilton was into guns. Hamilton lived in Scotland & had well-to-do "friends". Hamilton, like Savile, was also a paedophile.

There is another man in one photo. A taller man in a light coloured rain-coat. Who is he? How do I find out who he is?

How do I date the photograph? Could it be photoshopped, how do I find out? How do I find the original? If I can find out that that picture is of Thomas Hamilton, Prince Charles & Jimmy Savile together it throws suspicious & remarkable new light on the Dunblane cover up.

For anyone who doesn't know. Thomas Hamilton shot 16 kids & a teacher in Dunblane Primary School in 1996 with handguns he should never have been allowed to won. Guns he only owned because his "powerful friends" forced through his applications despite what was known about him. He was also a prolific paedophile & maker & distributor or child porn. This was back before the net so he plied his trade from his home, & made his own videos on his creepy little "scout camps". All of this & a great deal more was covered-up after the Cullen Enquiry into the murders was gagged for 100 years. Even the news that the enquiry had been gagged was gagged & no-one found out for 3 years! This is the biggest scandal, cover-up & conspiracy theory I have ever heard of, & even though I have been into conspiracy theories for 20 years, I have only just found out about the Dunblane cover-up in the last 6 months or so! The only reason to bury an enquiry for 100 years is if the information includes a threat to national security or mention of a royal family member. There are people out there who have been fighting the Dunblane cover-up for nearly 20 years & I found one of them who did not know about this photo!

So, how do I find the information I need on that photo?

When were they taken? Who is the fat man, is it Hamilton? Who else is in the photo?

This one may help to date the set...

What's that yellow paper with milk bottles on it, does that date this photo?

 

[ponch]

Sorry Si, that is a man named Ian Thornber.