Punk

D-Beat is punk.

And Bathory was highy inspired by D-beat, but is also Black Metal.

So does this technically mean Bathory invented the first D-Beat/Black Metal album, & the first Black Metal album? (actually it was Venom's "Black Metal" album that coined the term black metal, but it didn't sound anything like traditional black metal).

 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
Sure it is..
It was cross-over thrash (a mix between punk & thrash).. :p

There's D beat, crossover thrash, hardcore, grindcore, crustpunk, power violence, skin head punk, punk rock, old timey 70's punk, post-punk, blah blah blah
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yea i guess you're right


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there's those ppl ^ but im not with them
 
seeing these guys for the first time ever on sunday at mpf:



excited. still a bit worried what short notice line up fuckery covid is gonna do, been cancelled the last 2 years and my life has been empty, but a wilhelm scream are already in the UK so pretty sure they'll make it woop woop!!
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
yea i guess you're right


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there's those ppl ^ but im not with them
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These are Rivetheads.


Basically wanna be goth/industrial fools with a knack for trendy fashion.




I wonder if technically industrial music is punk too. Not so much the electronic-dance industrial shit that Rivetheads listen to, but the Power Electronics/Noise genres of Industrial have punk elements.


Is punk just an attitude or is it a music genre/sound?
I grew up listening to grindcore, hardcorepunk, crustpunk, etc... And to me, that was punk. It was fast, it was heavy & it was anti-system.
But then I see people like David Bowie & Iggy Pop all these waaay softer sounding bands from the 70s being called "punk" once I got older & I was like huh...
Even completely electronic acts like "Suicide" were considered "punk" back then.

I've also known posers who listen to Ska & Pop Punk who think they're "punk".
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
Is punk just an attitude or is it a music genre/sound?
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the age old question. my rough guide is has it made you feel like you've been punched in the face, or is it catchy as fuck, but in my old age i've gone soft in the head and started listening to folk punk which is neither.

tbh i think it has to be music otherwise it becomes meaningless. there are plenty of DIY bands that aren't punk and probably wouldn't wanna be labeled as such.

DeathIndustrial88 said:
I've also known posers who listen to Ska & Pop Punk who think they're "punk".
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gatekeeping punk is not punk (see what i did there?).

love me some pop punk but i mean proper pop punk like dillinger 4 and pkew pkew pkew. not like new found glory or whatever abomination.

ska punk can do one horns sections are the worst though i can cope with the trumpet in days and daze but in general i'm embarassed that i even like them so why am i mentioning it?

anyway, have the hardcore i'll kill myself to:

 
Who said I was punk?

I use to like punk music, doesn't' mean I consider or identify myself as a punk.

I asked a question too, asking other's what they think punk is? Is that gatekeeping? lol


However IMO a true "punk" is some one who is anti-establishment. Seems counterintuitive to have sell out pop punk bands doing tours, making profit, etc..
One side sings about multinational corporations while the other is a part of those corporations to sell records.

To me, there is a large difference between grindcore/crust punks & pop punks. But does that mean pop punks aren't "punks" as well? I really don't care honestly.
People love to label themselves "goth" or "punk", but show one of these people a real punk or goth album (that differs from their watered down soft music). they most of the time don't even know of it or like it.

Some "punk" is full of blast beats & D-beats & then you have pop punk. If there's such a wide difference between sounds & it's still considered "punk", then it must be the "attitude" that makes some one "punk:"???

I've always been more of a headbanger anyway & now I listen to obscure shit like musique concrete & noise.


To each their own.


I like synth pop / new wave / dark wave / cold wave / post-punk, but to mix pop rock & punk just isn't my thing. Especially exclusively the way "pop punk" bands do it.

Technically synth pop & new wave & post punk are offshoots of punk, so you can say I do like "pop punk", just not today's version of it.
 
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DeathIndustrial88 said:
Who said I was punk?

I use to like punk music, doesn't' mean I consider or identify myself as a punk.

I asked a question too, asking other's what they think punk is? Is that gatekeeping? lol


However IMO a true "punk" is some one who is anti-establishment. Seems counterintuitive to have sell out pop punk bands doing tours, making profit, etc..
One side sings about multinational corporations while the other is a part of those corporations to sell records.

To me, there is a large difference between grindcore/crust punks & pop punks. But does that mean pop punks aren't "punks" as well? I really don't care honestly.
People love to label themselves "goth" or "punk", but show one of these people a real punk or goth album (that differs from their watered down soft music). they most of the time don't even know of it or like it.

I've always been more of a headbanger anyway & now I listen to obscure shit like musique concrete & noise.


To each their own.


I like synth pop / new wave / dark wave / cold wave / post-punk, but to mix pop rock & punk just isn't my thing. Especially exclusively the way "pop punk" bands do it.

Technically synth pop & new wave & post punk are offshoots of punk, so you can say I do like "pop punk", just not today's version of it.
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It was a joke, I thought it was clearly signposted as such but apparently not.

I listen only to a few sub genres of punk and its the only music I've ever loved and I don't consider myself a punk.

To me it just applies to music, not people. You can't say the vandals aren't a punk band just cos they are conservatives ideologically, nor can you say gouge away are more punk than a band that is quieter about their veganism. It's just a type of music.
 
chinup said:
It was a joke, I thought it was clearly signposted as such but apparently not.

I listen only to a few sub genres of punk and its the only music I've ever loved and I don't consider myself a punk.

To me it just applies to music, not people. You can't say the vandals aren't a punk band just cos they are conservatives ideologically, nor can you say gouge away are more punk than a band that is quieter about their veganism. It's just a type of music.
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So which "sound" do you consider punk then?

You have bands doing blast beats & d-beats with guttural vocals (grindcore/crust) which is punk.

But you also have the rockish, classic punk sound with the simplistic riffs.

And then you have bands like "Suicide" who were completely electronic and considered "punk".
 
Mr. Krinkle said:



do you think that's poppy?

i like it
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GG Allin started off with that rock/popish sound as well. But he was definitely punk.

When I think of "Pop punk", I think of like.. Green Day shit.


but when comparing punk and everyone considered punk sonically, there's huge differences,

Which leads me back to my question.... Is punk an attitude or is punk a sound? I don't think anyone can truly answer that.


IMO punk is dead anyway. Or at least what we use to consider "punk" is.
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
So which "sound" do you consider punk then?

You have bands doing blast beats & d-beats with guttural vocals (grindcore/crust) which is punk.

But you also have the rockish, classic punk sound with the simplistic riffs.

And then you have bands like "Suicide" who were completely electronic and considered "punk".
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Fucked if I know. I mean melt banana are headlining mpf next week, and I don't consider them a punk band but who am I to contradict the organisers? Does it matter?
 
chinup said:
Fucked if I know. I mean melt banana are headlining mpf next week, and I don't consider them a punk band but who am I to contradict the organisers? Does it matter?
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Idk if it matters. You're always out to get condescending with me though.


Actually it does matter. If it doesn't matter what punk is, then I guess Britney Spears is goregrind?
 
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