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Miscellaneous Psychedelics in tandem with dissociatives have "AI visuals"

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ErgotFiend

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Met another person who agreed with me, so I had to make a post. When I mixed LSD and DXM together a few times, I consistently had very vivid visuals that looked exactly like AI generated videos except, they were more coherent, visually beautiful, and longer in duration. But the resemblance was still uncanny for me. Getting to try ketamine with acid soon, I'll report back if I still agree with this take, but I really think the combo has a striking resemblance.

Relatable or am I saying nonsense? Any thoughts on what this could mean (if anything)? Is it noise getting filtered into coherent visual information with a clear narrative similar to these models? Weird times we are living through lads.
 
Never done that particular combo (DXM and LSD) although I'd like to and have certainly mixed many other dissos and hallucinogens, including ketamine and LSD on many, many occasions. It's interesting, heh... I did not perceive the visual aspect as AI-style, but at the time I did these combos, AI tech was really in it's infancy, so I guess I'm showing my age and probably reading yours as growing up in a world where a new experience can be related to such a phenomenon as AI generated videos... :p I mean I guess I had Windows Media Player visualizations, "screensaver" animations on computers in my school, like with the pipes filling up the screen, some of that imagery is a trip, but I'm getting sidetracked...

Obviously you've made a fairly broad statement since nowadays AI can generate a wide range of videos and you haven't actually attempted to visually explain the nature of your hallucinations :LOL:... so of course any visuals could conceivably have been generated (whether or not they truly were) in a way that could be reproduced videographically, somehow... but...

I feel like I keep trying to get to the main point of interest here for me - if you look at old Google DeepMind images, before the multimodal, Turing-test-passing mysterious chatbots of today... I can't find the article or link or whatever but they released these pictures the AIs they were training had generated, without that much context, of dogs. Like they had tried to teach the AI model to be able to "see" a dog in the messy disparate data of reality and it's training process includes generating their own conceptions of dogs, I guess, and they're'all fractaldogs, like, the kinda thing you'd see for sure on a heavy acid trip with a little K thrown in, heh, easy. Like the dogs paw is actually another dog if you look closer and so on and so on. I'm sure someone could find the images but I remember thinking seeing them, heh, "That looks like being on psychedelics"...

But eventually they got better and smarter and became able to generate images and videos of actual, real dogs and cats that aren't just infinite disturbingly mutated fractal dogs, But they still "know" in a very ahuman sense what they were doing before and that it's weird... And that, evidently, appears to be what needs to happen to teach an AI what a dog is. And, arguably, it's exactly what we do in a much more diffuse sort of way by virtue of accumulation of memories to sort through and such... we are "generatively trained" by existing in reality, but there appear to be parallel processes at play, I guess, in that... Even the rarified, pruned, comparatively absurdly compressed fragments of reality that are fed to AI models start to follow patterns and go through strange and absurd convolutions to produce something that looks like something we understand and can relate to.

Haha I really dunno if I answered your question, was there even a specific question? But, god, how even to say it without sounding like it's playing it down, there's some definite psychedelic stuff happening in the "minds" of AIs that now appear to think and reason visually... I think the disso- aspect is also relevant too, because, well, multiple fronts actually... dissos are probably just the most primed to look for the exact same "the secret god creatures behind material reality", ie, "how is it possible that I exist, think and feel", neurological kinda circuits as are also in play in "AI psychosis" type incidents, heh, and the AI psychosis thing is real but it's not the AIs doing it (probably, necessarily?)... actually we're talking visuals here I just remembered so no need to get into the whole "how sentient are they?" question which doesn't matter in the context. But AIs themselves are the ultimate dissociated entity, from a human-side, so... fuck I'm just rambling anyway I'm actually stoned and on a little K right now so I dunno where I'm even going here. BUT! I think what you say is relatable and it means something.

Edit: I haven't read this yet lol just skimmed the images but i think it's vaguely on topic - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/do-machines-dream-brecht-corbeel-ghd3e/
 
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I have tried ketamine now (i k-holed on acid and hated it) and i am doubling down. I am fairly certain that there is a connection between these two and I will talk to my neuroscience friends about it at some point.
 
I wonder how much the occurrence and commonplace of AI is affecting peoples perception of visuals. Back in the day I would have never said ”these visuals look like AI” because AI wasn't mainstream back then.

If I took a psychedelic today I cant help but wonder if id see AI-like visuals just from the exposure/knowledge of AI being brought up by my subconscious during a trip… 🤔
 
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I wonder how much the occurrence and commonplace of AI is affecting peoples perception of visuals. Back in the day I would have never said ”these visuals look like AI” because AI wasn't mainstream back then.

If I took a psychedelic today I cant help but wonder if id see AI-like visuals just from the exposure/knowledge of AI being brought up by my subconscious during a trip… 🤔
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In high school I used a python library wrapping up TensorFlow to make a psychedelic image filter pretty much, it put fractals and swirls and eyes and shit all over, by inducing a hallucinatory state by fucking with the structure of how the model was shaped. Neural nets are typically kind of ellipses of convolutional layers, if you're going for an image transformation like that, and to get the trippier shit to happen I had to have it sort of "hyperassociate", it's strange to describe now. I've definitely noticed parallels though between the ways that AI platforms produce media and the way that hallucinogens influence senses.

Edit: The cool thing is that I never told it what an eye is, or what a fractal is, it just did that naturally. I'll see if I can find the tutorial I followed back then to learn how to make that.
 
I have noticed the AI visual effect of psychedelics without disso's. Images as they resolve:
a pastiche of objects which, as they get clearer or come closer or move, they also transform into other objects with some continuity in texture, color, shadow, creases, indentation, pattern of movement, and geometry that is unfolding; but also they do not necessarily continuously conform to any particular sex, species, age, singular or group entity aspect, realistic or fantastic. It follows an associative manifestational unfolding from what it was a moment before, possibly conditioned by what was being considered a short time ago.
 
I first took acid in 1965 ...
AI was not even invented yet. No-one I talked to during that era ever used the term in association with the LSD experience.

Let's not forget that the words we use to describe our experiences are framed in terms of what we have had already experienced.
 
right well AI art follows Psychedelic revelations, is what I think, and it follows the cues originally programmed into it.
 
are you talking about like kaleidoscope visuals or fractal type out space looking stuff? i assume you are. i see some of that with AI.

i get some stuff like that, but i've also gotten realistic imagery like watching a movie and also cartoon like images. the movie and cartoon imagery isn't often the experience i hear people talk about. i mostly hear people talk about fractals and like being in space... one time i took so much acid i was traveling through cartoon like black hole tube portals that were lit up with all different colors and silver electricity and i would be teleported to different real life situations where i was not in touch with what was going on with reality at all. on lower doses, i've actually watched people in movie like situations with my eyes closed and at that point i could just open my eyes and talk to people IRL perfectly fine. this probably is uncommon with the movie like visuals.

i'm guessing the AI you saw was made from people's psychedelic experiences. i'm googling and AI generated psychedelic art is something that comes up. it all looks like stuff people made in the 60's with tangible art supplies.

you should post some of the AI images if you still have them.
 
ErgotFiend said:
Met another person who agreed with me, so I had to make a post. When I mixed LSD and DXM together a few times, I consistently had very vivid visuals that looked exactly like AI generated videos except, they were more coherent, visually beautiful, and longer in duration. But the resemblance was still uncanny for me. Getting to try ketamine with acid soon, I'll report back if I still agree with this take, but I really think the combo has a striking resemblance.

Relatable or am I saying nonsense? Any thoughts on what this could mean (if anything)? Is it noise getting filtered into coherent visual information with a clear narrative similar to these models? Weird times we are living through lads.
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LSD + DXM and LSD + ketamine are wildly different experiences. Speaking from a lot of personal experience...
 
A.I. generated videos resembling psychedelic ones. Post one a vid that comes close very curious about the kinda AI generated stuff you compare it with that comes close with ... CEV and or OEV wasnt mentioned
 
My hunch is that there's something pertaining to how convolution, emergence, and the processing of visual data -> information -> knowledge relates to all of this. Detailing it is probably countless of textbooks of knowledge further than my understanding, but my hunch is that pareidolia is perhaps something experienced by more than humans, I'd wonder if something like krill has anything similar.
 
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