EDIT: webbykevin is right, there's no need to take an excessively rude tone at the very beginning of what is intended as a skeptical, thoughtful, and rational critique of this theory. So keeping that in mind, lets take a look at these ideas.
Magickduck said:
wanted to drop something i consider knowledge on you.... i am sure you know of manifestation... people have had this down to a science for thousands of years. be careful, fore if this information does resonate with you, and you are not of pure heart mind and soul, it will eat you alive. this is my interpration of it:
I guess I'm gonna get eaten alive then as pure of heart and soul likely doesn't exactly describe myself.
with this I am speaking more of energetic manipulation.... as we once found out there were air waves all around us and we could manipulate them to have wireless data streaming whatever we want, it has been found that there are energetic webs all around us that behave and interact based on certain patterns, and upon studying these patterns - or at least our personal interpration of them, we can influence/manipulate these energy patterns. for example, every action can do anything, and does, at all times. for example, if you are drinking a cup of water, you set it down, and while saying out loud "yeah she'll be here in a minute" it hits the table, those actions are linked, and that energy makes that event more likely to happen. now these things happen unconsciously all the time as the divine unfolding plan - or organized chaos as I view it - some view it as just random chaos unfolding....
Unless you're referring to sound waves, which are vibrations propagated through pressure differences, there are no 'air waves'. Wireless data is transmitted by electromagnetic fluctuations at various frequencies. These EM waves are no different from light itself, or X-rays, or gamma rays. The only difference between the light we can see and radio/X/gamma/whatever rays is the frequency and thus wavelength. Electromagnetic waves generally cannot manipulate matter unless that matter is also either charged or magnetic. I say generally because there are exceptions such as solar sails that rely on the momentum imparted by a reflected photon to accelerate, but the sails have to be freakin huge to get anywhere as the amount of force in a photon is seriously tiny.
Where/when were 'energetic waves' found to be 'all around us'? I guess I missed the memo. How does studying our 'personal interpretation' of these webs allow us to manipulate them? Interpretation is like belief: they are artifacts of consciousness, and as such do not directly affect the world. As for 'every action can do anything at all times', this sounds like a perversion of the traditional Buddhist belief in interconnection, that changing one thing changes everything else through a chain of interaction.
Now, say you were to PAY ATTENTION to this, and you place a cup down with the purposeful intention, while it hits the table, purposfully remarking outloud "i will get the job soon", or something of that nature. And lets say you do this with multiple things, the more often you put this into the energy web - the more likely it is to happen. now it does not nessicarily have to be more TIMES, or more time. this can be explained in quantam physics like string theory, etc.. its another reason why prayer works...
So where does the energy that we 'put into the webs' that surround us come from? Is the energy coming from us? Or are we simply directing and focusing the energy that already exists to 'do useful work'? And if it comes from within us, is there a limit? In other words does out energy 'gas tank' eventually run dry?
How does this energy then affect the probability of an event to make it more or less likely? For that matter, how does the energy even 'know what we want'? Can it read our minds? What about subconscious desires and dislikes? You say doing it with more objects makes it that much more likely, but also say that it doesn't necessarily have to be done several times? So which is it? Does one object have more value to the energy web influencing events than another? What about the repetition makes the event more likely? Is performing this act ten times with the same object equal to doing it ten times with ten different objects? What about relation of the object to the individual targeted? An example being if I want to go on a date, does performing this magic with something owned by or touched by the female in question make it more likely than if I had used some random knickknack?
As for string theory and quantum mechanics... please. Why stop there? I think we need a Higgs boson sandwich with a side of dark matter for a good measure! I mean, the more scientific theories we misinterpret the more realistic the magic-theory is! If you want to believe in what I will call pseudoscience at best and rubbish at worst, do not try and mix in sprinkles of real science to make it sound more plausible. Just go whole hog and make it all up instead of trying to reconcile it with existing scientific research. Please.
Finally we get to prayer. This one's interesting for sure! According to your theory, concentrating on something while performing an act can make something more likely to happen. Now, prayer consists of concentration and contemplation, so if you pray and your prayer comes true, is it the arorementioned 'energy webs' that made it more likely? Or is there the second mechanism of divine influence/intervention coming into play?
okay so double slit experiment, now imagine that, however instead of being applied to marbles or light being shot through two slots, being applied to manifestation of reality, and any given specific situation and any of its infinite possible outcomes. Now, in the double slit experiment, when being observed, the molecule behaved completely differently, and the observer collapsed the wave. Now when we apply this to what I said, when we focus on any given specific outcome, or give it thought, we are being the observer in that experiment - and observing that as the outcome. now this is happening at all times - when we are thinking and analyzing any situation, the more thought we give something, the more energy. The more energy, when it comes down to what i would call here point 0 and it is time for that wave to collapse, the one with the most energy (and if it is an intertangled situation involving multiple people, the most energy from all those involved and aware of the situation) becomes the reality that is chosen. now, as i said, more time thinking does not nessicarily mean more energy ([thought|time] != energy), and there are other methods of putting more energy towards a specific outcome and collapsing the wave.
During the double-slit deal, the subject is a photon, not a molecule. But even so, the molecule that is actually a photon doesn't behave 'completely differently'. It's behaving as it and all photons always do: as a wave and a particle *at the same time*. When we measure its position, the probabilistic function that describes the odds of finding the photon in a specific location collapses, and the photon is determined to have taken one path or another through either slit, but not both.
What you have to understand is that quantum effects only manifest at the smallest of scales. So trying to apply the laws of quantum mechanics to macro-scale objects like people doesn't work, the laws simply don't apply. Instead the equations of general relativity take over. The field of science that tries to determine at what scale quantum mechanics and general and special relativity trade off their influences is active right now. It turns out that in general there is no hard limit; the quantum realm and the macroscopic realm blend together at certain scales, and even then the point at which that blending takes place is not fixed, so that certain types of molecular congregations exhibit quantum effects even at scales where most things stop showing quantum effects.
How specifically are we acting as observers when we think about and concentrate on a certain outcome? Ignoring the fact that quantum effects are only relevant on the smallest of scales, it would be expected that everything would exhibit wave/particle duality, like light exhibits in the double-slit experiment. In other words there is a difference between looking at the properties of a single photon, which collapses the probability function for location (but not momentum), and looking at the behavior for the light as a collective of particles, which can interfere with itself as a wave. Why don't we exhibit interference with ourselves then? And further, why can we measure both our speed and our position with exact detail? The uncertainty principle would not allow this if quantum effects applied to people.
as per manifestation, just as we have learned that we create our reality with our thoughts, just because we think something more often does not make it nessicarily more likely to happen than say something we put more energy into... TIME DOES NOT EQUAL ENERGY. therefore, more time spent thinking something while it DOES make it more likely to happen, is a very inefficient way to manifest.
So is the amount of energy a time-defendant function? In other words how is the energy we put into 'manifestation' determined, and how does length of time spent inputting energy affect the outcome? Does it take longer to input more energy? why would it be inefficient to spend more time inputting energy? if I'm putting X amount of energy per second into manifesting something, then spending Y number of seconds would input an amount of energy equal to the amount of time multiplied by the amount of energy per second. So how is that inefficient? What's the SI unit for magic energy anyway? Or is energy input a non-measurable quantity? Because that would just be silly, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only moved around, so there much be a finite amount of energy that can then be divided up into equal portions, which means it can be measured as a fraction of the whole. What differentiates an act that we put energy into from one we do not?
for exmaple, you could put energy into something by like, taking 1 hr to set up a very intricate crystal grid of your own artwork, and with each crystal you put down placing a seperate intention, then sit in the center of it and meditate towards it for another hr, maybe toning outloud towards it or some people even use blood or semen and place it on an altar (i would advise against blood- far too powerful and long lasting), then at the center of it, light a candle or something and speak your intention. all that energy behind the entire ritual - goes straight toward that intention.
What makes blood more powerful? If anything I would think semen would be more powerful. Think about it: it's germ-line tissue, and germ-line tissue is in some sense immortal as long as offspring exist, even billions of years later through the many evolutionary forms it may take. And semen is used for reproduction. It doesn't get more powerful than the ability to create life, does it? Blood is just cells and plasma, so any cellular matter from the body should be equally powerful.
now this can be used for ANYTHING - to a certain extent - especially while we are young. now you need to be careful, because let me give you a very simple example of something that seems harmless but could effect the entire world:
lets say with complete faith that this is the way to manifest this and it WILL work, and you take a piece of paper, write on it "tomorrow i will meet a woman named jenny, and we will talk about shoes." then you place this paper on a table, put a candle on top of it, and light it. then after the wax melts, you pour the wax in a cup, and let it dry... then you pour water in the cup, and drink it. Now, next day, you are walking thru town, and you meet this woman named jenny, and you guys discuss shoes for ten minutes. that is all, end of that part of story. no big deal right?
well lets say at that moment when you met jenny, before you had made your modification, she was going to meet Dan. Her and Dan were going to hit it off and fall in love, and eventually have a child. That child was going to find the cure for cancer. However, your simple shoe thing prevented that.
You see what I mean? best to not use it to influence the world, or others, even indirectly, and instead just your own mind and energies. even changing your own path indirectly can influence others.
If Jenny and Dan were going to fall in love etc etc and their child was going to cure cancer, that implies predestination. But if manifestation can affect predestination, then it's not really predestination then; destiny implies a certain air of inevitability. So if manifestation were real, predestination would have to be a probabilistic function instead of an actual fixed thing. And if it is probabilistic, then you can't really say that their child was *going* to cure cancer, only that he/she *might* cure cancer. So then you really haven't done anything so heinous after all, you just 'collapsed the wave' function as you so elegantly put it in such a way that their child never existed. So where do you then draw the line? What is an acceptable thing to try and manifest and what isn't? If you want to prevent bad things from happening, can you engage in manifestation war with somebody else?
Like what if somebody did the manifest thing on Jenny, and you did the opposite and manifested that Jenny would in fact meet Dan and thus indirectly cure cancer. Which manifestation would come out on top? Is there a strength-meter for manifestation, so that they cancel each other out and whichever had more energy then contributes that fraction of the whole to the desired outcome? And how does the amount of magic energy put in contribute to the strength of that manifestation?
I dunno, I don't see this as a cohesive whole. Try to answer those questions and your head just hurts.
And what does any of this have to do with psychedelics, cults, music festivals, evil conspiracies, government plots, witchcraft, and deadheads?
