Precipitated Opioid Withdrawal! Methadone + MDA Combination Experience Report! BAD!

[freqsoft]

2007 your first pure crystal mdma "molly" experience
*many rolls/trips later*
2013 you retire from rc's/psychs
2016 you take ~135mg (1.5 white lightening bolt pressies that are 4:1 mda:caffeine)

These pills you took, exactly: http://pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=34424

Approx: 90mg of MDA and 22.5mg of caffeine each.

Other person rolling felt great but didn't quite peak from the same dosage, so the methadone definitely potentiated it for you.

mda while titrating down (weaning down) from 80mg of methadone a day to 54mg of methadone a day over a period of 8 weeks. Currently at 54mg on this day, takehome for the next day was in lock-box, 54mg as well. Supposed to go down to 52mg the next day.

The first 2 hours were amazing for you, it hits you harder than anyone else in the research group, stunningly so for just a pressie and a half for such a veteran but it has been a while and there's not much data on administered mda while on methadone. Nose started running an hour into it. Odd, bad sign. Then 2 hours into it started to realize you were sick. Very sick. Percipitatedly so. The worst kind.

Extreme body aches, muscle pain, stiffness, nausea, nose running, etc;

Standard COWS scale 20 or so, very panic inducing.

You administer legal benzos and things get better but not much.

The morning is hell.

By 8AM you take your takehome dose of 54mg methadone, as you'd normally wait until 11AM. This will throw off the schedule a bit.

By 11AM you feel normal. By the end of the night, you're sick again, just not so much, maybe 12 on COWS.

By the next morning you still feel so bad that you ask to go up 3mg to 57mg methadone, which they oblige, then the NEXT DAY you ask to go up to 3 MORE milligrams to 60mg methadone per day and stay there for a minute to acclimate.

You lost 10mg of methadone tapering progress because of 2 hours ecstasy?

So not worth it.

Maybe when you're clean again... But how sad... Can't even enjoy this while tapering? Ah... The sacrifices...

You've been warned.

 

[aced126]

Well MDA doesn't really interact with the opioid system. It might just be that you're not feeling great after an MDA experience, which should be expected when you take the drug. After a week it should really be fine, and I would recommend to start tapering down again to 54mg during that week itself.

 

[sekio]

this is not nspd material and also we usually speak in the first person here at BL

 

[freqsoft]

Well MDA doesn't really interact with the opioid system. It might just be that you're not feeling great after an MDA experience, which should be expected when you take the drug. After a week it should really be fine, and I would recommend to start tapering down again to 54mg during that week itself.

Now you're giving medical advice and you have no idea about that persons situation? Ridiculous. Clearly MDA DOES have something to do with it because PWD doesn't just happen on it's own.

this is not nspd material and also we usually speak in the first person here at BL

Well it's where I found similar material, so that's where it went and usually people comment with some valuable information, suggestions, or POV's here at BL. Your reply had nothing to do with the OP please stay on topic. Pretty sure we usually try to do that too here at BL. I only joined a year before you did, what do I know. This is absolutely about MDA and Methadone's pharmacological role in the brain (neuroscience). So how does it not apply again?

Side Note: You definitely were affected by the MDA, normally you wouldn't just be in PWD for no reason. Clearly it had everything to do with it. It's a very specific situation and the info needs to be out there because it was extremely painful. Many drugs have promiscuous pharmacology (we call it 'rich pharmacology' now) and may act on many different systems. Research on MDA on Methadone patients is highly unknown and posts like this are required if we're to get anywhere in the underground.

Perhaps it acted as a CYP450 substrate and agonized the metabolism of methadone, much like cimetidine would (and has) put you into precipitated withdrawal, in much the same way. It's a very specific feeling.

Relevant thoughts? Similar experiences? Contrary experiences?

 

[Yeetbeat]

Now you're giving medical advice and you have no idea about that persons situation? Ridiculous. Clearly MDA DOES have something to do with it because PWD doesn't just happen on it's own.


Well it's where I found similar material, so that's where it went and usually people comment with some valuable information, suggestions, or POV's here at BL. Your reply had nothing to do with the OP please stay on topic. Pretty sure we usually try to do that too here at BL. I only joined a year before you did, what do I know. This is absolutely about MDA and Methadone's pharmacological role in the brain (neuroscience). So how does it not apply again?

You joined a year before sekio, yet he's submitted 17,710 more posts to the community than you have. Please don't be so condescending towards a member with infinite more positive input and influence on this community than either of us. If you really care for valuable discussion.

Again - please refer to yourself in the first person. You keep saying 'you', which is confusing as hell when it can only be yourself you're responding to.

 

[Ihatenotfeeling]

Sorry for posting on this thread but I wasn't sure how to post my own. I am having a serious mdma comedown. I am on month 3 almost 4 and I am hopeless. I have absolutely no feelings.. I feel numb except for sadness. I can't feel excited, happy, mad, scared, Joy, empathy... literally nothing.... I feel like an empty shell left with just thoughts.. it's a living hell everyday and I think about suicide every day. I used to love going hiking and biking and now I can't even barley get out of bed and function. Also after I got severely dehydrated for almost a week and now all of my joints are popping non stop.. chest, shoulders, knees, ankles, wrists.. it's awful. My knee will pop like 5 times in one minute while standing up... could I have destroyed all my cartilage ? Does cartilage regenerate at a young age ? Also a little background info on my usage.. I abused for 3 months.. December I probably did it twice or 3 times, January 2 times and February is where I really fucked up and did it four days in a row.. first day was 3 pills and then next 3 days I probably did 5 each day. Help me please! Anyone have a similar experience and did they recover? Did I cause permanent damage to my anox ? I'm freaking out.. I know my usage was stupid.. I didn't realize how dangerous it was till after. ????

 

[Salemcoyote]

I just tried orange Teslas while on 60 mg of methadone maintenance and nothing happened (very minimal effects, certainly not at all like I remembered).

Pills were tested clean, advertised at well over 150 mg MDMA. I don't get it, a half a pill should've put me on my ass. Back in the day 90 mg did the trick.