Post your pic vs. Testicular atrophy!!!

Here's a picture 6 weeks ago
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Here's the new one.
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I was receiving much more artificial UV radiation i.e. tanning in the first picture, so that definately makes me look more defined..I have just begun a new tanning regimen doing it 2x a week so we'll see how I look.
 
Thats one thing that'll not really work for me- tanning... My pale skin rarely darkens up at all. Might consider Melanotan in a year or two just to see how I'd look!

From the comparison pics its your lats that seem to have picked up the best "shape" increase.
 
I think my lower back got thicker, although taht might be a result of losing fat...

as for tanning, Just start slow and work your way up...melanotan can't hurt either..
 
Im running 6 weeks of epistane too, but my second bottle got delayed (primaforce discontinued havoc, so I had to get RPN) so i've been off it for almost a week (5 days). I will start back up for the last two weeks of the cycle on monday. Since I ran out of epistane my appetite dropped dramatically, and I have lost more than 5 pounds. I don't want to start PCT because the last two weeks worth of epistane arrive on monday, so i've just been taking a little DHEA with some resveratrol to prevent total shutdown....

It has definately made me lethargic, but my mood has actually been improved with the epistane.

PAR:
.I'm sort of scared to run a SERM because of the potential sides and I feel that I'll recover just fine without ANYTHING...to be safe, and out of curiousity, ill run the clomid...Anything over 50mgs is too high for this cycle..
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keep in mind that clomid is a SERM. Those doses for the clomid sound low, but I don't have any solid rationale as to why the doses are too low. Maybe I should dose it low too (i was planning on higher doses). I suppose the less of a SERM you can use the better...

And yes formestane is an AI that (aka 4-ho-andro) does convert to 4-ho-test, but its not especially suppressive. I have heard mixed things about its use in PCT, but I will use some if I feel I need it. While I have background in biochemistry, I haven't read everything there is to read about these supplements so please fill me it. I don't tend to get any side-effects from AI's, not even any sexual side-effects.
 
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ATD certainly killed my libido. I ran 6-oxo before and that never had as bad an effect - but is much less effective. I've never ran formestane but running anything remotley supressive cannot be good- you need all your feedback loops signaling for LH release, etc. Thats why I'm suprised to see people using DHEA in PCT routines (although something like 7-oxo would be ok). Thats just my opinion. I'd certainly not use it in the first week or so (unless there are serious looking estrogen effects- which is unlikely with epistane).
 
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Im running 6 weeks of epistane too, but my second bottle got delayed (primaforce discontinued havoc, so I had to get RPN) so i've been off it for almost a week (5 days). I will start back up for the last two weeks of the cycle on monday. Since I ran out of epistane my appetite dropped dramatically, and I have lost more than 5 pounds. I don't want to start PCT because the last two weeks worth of epistane arrive on monday, so i've just been taking a little DHEA with some resveratrol to prevent total shutdown....

It has definately made me lethargic, but my mood has actually been improved with the epistane.

PAR: keep in mind that clomid is a SERM. Those doses for the clomid sound low, but I don't have any solid rationale as to why the doses are too low. Maybe I should dose it low too (i was planning on higher doses). I suppose the less of a SERM you can use the better...

And yes formestane is an AI that (aka 4-ho-andro) does convert to 4-ho-test, but its not especially suppressive. I have heard mixed things about its use in PCT, but I will use some if I feel I need it. While I have background in biochemistry, I haven't read everything there is to read about these supplements so please fill me it. I don't tend to get any side-effects from AI's, not even any sexual side-effects.
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I'm aware that clomid is a SERM..I just think that I'm not going to get shutdown at all and there's really no reason to take a SERM because Clomid raises estrogen levels too...Regardless I'm going to take tiny amounts for 4 weeks just in case...

Maybe your brand of epistane was underdosed or lower quality because no complaints with RPN...

I'm not worried about losing weight, my appetiite is always out of control..im more worried of gaining fucking weight to be honest...i have a stellar PCT protocol lined up so ill be good
 
Whats with the SERM hating?!? It may slightly increase estrogen levels due to not letting circulating estrogen bind to certain places but your going to have very little estrogen anyway due to the AI nature of Epistane.

Clomid increases gondrapin sensitivity so it will help recover natural testosterone production quicker.

What are the perceived downsides of using it?
 
Acne on my face is my main concern followed by depression, irreversible vision changes, fat gain etc... although these sides are usually seen by people following the "shotgun" approach and taking 50-100+mgs of clomiphene...I'm gonna run 35mg/25mg/17.5mg/17.5mg...i have liquid and a bunch of pills
 
Yea I have a feeling that primaforce's havoc (it was licensed by RPN) was underdosed compared to RPN's actual version....

I think I might copy PAR's clomid plan. I was going to dose higher, but maybe its not necessary. I've taken clomid at 50mg/day before and didn't notice any side-effects (although I wasnt focusing on it).
 
I've heard of depression and fat gain- but assumed these were more related to the fact that you were supressed (standard PCT sides). The vision changes I've never heard being permenant - trails, etc. Acne I guess is a reasonable concern- but I'd be more worried about recovering than acne. I would start at 50mg and work down- but you're bound to be ok with what your doing, just giving my opinion :)
 
yup.

I'm not going to get shutdown at all
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You will be. Any dose of any anabolic for more than a day or two will cause some degree of shutdown. After reading some blood panels I would imagine your free test will be something like half of what it is normally....
 
Yes, epistane will definately shut you down. Maybe not as much as other compounds, but both free and plasma test levels will be significantly decreased....
 
Here's my 4 week PCT protocol...

Clomid(Running my liquid clomid which is dosed at 35mg/ml)-35mgs/17.5/17.5/8.75

LG Sciences T-911---This is a new product on the market that I received for free from a representative on another forum so I could post a log...Great ingredient profile...

Anabolic Xtreme MASS FX---I have a week left so I'm gonna finish up the bottle...

After the T-911 runs out I'm gonna run Sustain Alpha from Primordial Performance and then get blood work done...

Diet will be very strict and high in protein/moderate carbs/med fat...one cheat meal a week..

I'm up 17 lbs on the epi lol!!!!! one more week left......GREAT product for breaking through plataues
 
What happened to the clomid tablets? I ordered some; hopefully it will come.

What is in MASS FX?
 
I still have the tablets...I just wanna use the liquid as it is easier to dose opposed to splitting tablets...The clomid tablets are tiny too..like roxis :-)

Mass FX main ingred is 25-driol...

Also, my diet has been TERRIBLE throughout this entire cycle..yet i still made gains..next time I run this, I'm gonna get a better diet down, although I consumed a lot of calories, a lot was from restaurant food...
 
What the fuck is 25-driol? Know the fulll name? Have you been taking it with the epistane?

Also, did you use two full bottles of the stane?
 
Oh just looked it up. The main ingredient is 3b,5a,6a,25R)-Spirostan-3,6-diol, which would be a diosgenin like compound. Not sure what its efficacy is like or what its used for...
 
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