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Poppy Pods... Don't Work!! HELP!!!

I too am pretty picky to about my oppies but when I am dope sick I'll drink fucking loperimide HCL liquid- and I'll sure take some damn pod tea. Tea each his own . . .

What are you doing wrong? Some pods have such a low codeine/morphine ( the primary opiates you 'get off' on )
content that they are really not worth a fuck.

I feel for you though, , ,
 
i think it all boils down to your own opiate tolerance. from the posts above, it seems as though a friend took some tea from the same batch, and he got off? if yes, then it is you, not the poppys, nor the preparation

now that i solved the problem, all you somniphiles, go see my poppy thread in drug basics and help me there
 
I dont think pod tea is completely worthless, they do contain morphine, and does get you high. But its pretty low in my list. If i was in withdrawal, i would drink as much pod tea as possible, given that i could even hold it down. It might have to be administered in an enema if the withdrawals are severe (like methadone withdrawal). I might even consider it recreational if i had absolutely zero tolerance, but since i take so many opiates, i would puke up the tea before getting any high, given the volume of fluid that i would require. I acknoledge that a good number of people enjoy poppy tea very much, but no argument can be made that it even comes close to the convenience and recreational potential of drugs like oxycontin, heroin, dilaudid, fentanyl, even hydrocodone.
 
Being a pround member of poppies.org, and leaving the negative comments aside from our oh so happy nergogesic (a bitter and troubled young man), I may have some advice to offer. You stated that you put the poppies you used in a bag and crushed them, so you did not make a homogenous mix of the flowers when you got them, did you? This could be one of the problems. Because it is a plant, the alkaliod content of each individual plant, as well as each 'batch', can differ in potency widely. The amount you are attempting to use is quite a large voulme of material. You need to increase the amount of water. One cup of powder to three cups water is a good base figure. Use too little water and the mix becomes saturated, thus not allowing the alkaliods to get into the water. Some poppies are also better with a short boil, as somone else suggested earlier. The 'steep' method does not work for all poppies. Also, the lemon juice is for flavor IMO. Not enough evidence has been made to suggest that the goodies are drawn out by acidifying the solution. Hope this helps, be safe.
 
When did i ever suggest,
You stated that you put the poppies you used in a bag and crushed them, so you did not make a homogenous mix of the flowers when you got them, did you?
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I said I used a coffee grinder and a french press, i never said I used a bag to crush pods. I do a short boil then run it through the press, and I do use lemon juice. Ive had more than one batch, ive grown and harvested poppies more than a few times (i have about 60 or so in the lettuce stage right now), and have probably had tea around 40 seperate times. I love the poppy plant, i just dont like the tea. I prefer taking the latex, cooking it down, and smoking it. Or taking the latex, treating it with glacial acetic acid to isolate the morphine, whip out the acetic anhydride, and making some crude but effective heroin. My point was that pharmaceuticals (or heroin) are easier to deal with, and provide a better high with less-side effects. This is pretty much fact, i dont know anyone who could argue that a cup of poppy tea is more enjoyable than a shot of good heroin, besides those who have only tried poppy tea, and have never injected heroin (and thus would have no basis for an argument to begin with).
 
no no no he was responding to the poster(thread starter) and i use about a cup of water to 20 grams of powder and add water as needed through two different filtering procedures(IMO)
 
^^^Yea, i wasnt sure if he was talking to me or the original poster. He made no break in the paragraph, which left me unsure if he was mistakingly referring to me..........
 
Correct, the origional poster. I have smoked heroin before, but not enough to say if it is better or worse then tea. Plus, I am not going to argue with you negro... I don't want to kill somone elses thread over an argument.
 
Sorry if I gave an impression of arguing, and yes I did stray from topic with the "pure agonists are better than pod tea".

To the original poster, like i said before, using a coffee grinder is much better than the hammer/bag method, it makes the powder much finer, creating more surface area that will increase the results of your extraction. Also, it is important to measure the fine powder in grams, this is a far more accurate way of dosing than counting the # of pods. If you dont like the pod tea, try making some pod putty. You use the same method to make the tea; use a coffee grinder to get a fine powder, simmer the powder in a good amount of water (the more the better) for less than 10 minutes, add lemon juice (or use those plastic shaped lemons that contain concentrated extract), pour the whole mess, grounds and all, into the glass french press container and let it cool down a little, then press down with the plunger a couple times, and try to squeeze out as much juice as you can. Pour this onto a flat clear glass baking plate or dish, or even a glass casserole container. If you want, you can boil the used grounds again, and repeat the process in the french press. Pour all the solution into your glass baking dish, and put it on a hot plate, at a low temperature, untill all the water evaporates (this can take many hours, especially if you have a large volume of water). If you dont have a hot plate, you can improvise one on your stove, just take a big metal pot, turn it upside down on the burner, so the bottom of the pot is facing up, and place the glass dish on this metal surface, using the lowest amount of flame possible. This upisde down pot seems to distribute the heat relatively evenly, and works as a crude hotplate.

Once all the water is evaporated, scrape up the resin with a razor blade, and roll it into a ball. If its too gooey and sticky, add a little bit of fine pod powder to act as a binding agent, which makes it easier to work with and doesnt stick to your hand as easily. So once you have your black ball, you can actually eat it as is, or dissolve it in a small amount of ethanol (or vodka) and make a tincture. For some reason, it doesnt work too well for smoking purposes, but when i tried it my tolerance was too high to tell if the smoke was getting me high. It worked better orally, or dissolved in alcohol. 10 grams of pod powder yeilded approximately 1-1.5 grams of putty. This may be more work, but its not as bad as drinking a big cup of pod tea, although i dont think the tea is that horrible tasting. I'd be interested in what would happen if someone with no tolerance smoked this putty. I still think it would work better orally, or at least i had more sucess this way. If you want to smoke it, you might be able to dissolve it in ammonium hydroxide (household ammonia, though lab grade is preferable), then re-evaporate it using the glass dish/hotplate method, which would probably result in some sort of freebase form of the putty. I havent tried this, but it probably would work to increase its smokability.
 
im glad you brought this up negro i was very curious baout the purry method if anyone can add anyhitng it would be greatley aprpeciated
 
That was an excellent description on how to make putty. The only change I can suggest, is that you ditch the lemon juice, and stick to pure water. BTW, sorry if I got confused about the arguing thing negro. The lemon juice, when reduced, will burn somewhat, and make it all a sticky mess. By adding the juice, you also add more particles that are unsmokeable. Besides your tolerance negro, I don't think there was enough free alkaloids in the putty to be able to smoke it. You knew it was good though because you ate it. The juice, any kind, will mess the putty up. Also, even with filtering, I believe there are too many plant particles in the putty to get a decent smoke. Make putty and eat it, don't smoke it. I am not saying you can't smoke putty and get high, you can, but it is so wasteful, that it does not make any sense to do it that way.
 
thanks for all the replies you guys. im going to give all that info a try... ill let you all know.!!
 
i'd like to maybe keep thisthread going
(under wraps of course) since poppies isent taking new registers people dont have anywhee to go besides es the archives(wich says to use viniger and is out dated in many otherways) so maybe we can keep this goign id like to hear more input on putty and maybe advatges disadvateges?
 
More info needed? BTW, you can always send me a private message for questions about all things poppy. I may not be able to answer, but I will try OK? OK. Advantages of putty : You can store it a long time in an airtight container without exposure to heat and light. Is should keep for at least 6 months if you do it right. You can pack it into gelcaps for easy use. You can eat the putty directly, no drinking volumes of PT. You can make your own tincture by disolving the putty in high proof alcohol, possibly getting to the point of only having to take 1/2 oz of liquid (half a shot) or less for good effect. Putty may be a great way to get the most out of the poppy. Disadvantages of putty : It takes much longer to make then tea. Simmering can be a tricky process, and you may run the risk of hurting some of the goodies in the poppy. Now I know that M degrades above 400F, but it only takes 180F to kill the codeine. I am also not sure what other alkaloids will be harmed by a long simmer. It is easy to get putty wrong. You also need more starting material then with tea. Like negrogesic said, you only get about 10% out of what you put in. So if you have 20 grams of pod powder, you are likely to get 2 grams of putty, that is if all goes well.
Any more questions?
 
Its hard to tell how much of a certain alkaloid is present in this pod putty, but i've tasted many opiates/opiod, and it does taste like morphine, althought all opiates are generally bitter. The putty is very bitter, bitter like an opiate, specifically morphine. Vinager isnt necessary, because the putty is an hcl salt, and is water-soluble, so it is effect orally, and can be easily dissolved in a little vodka. Glacial acetic acid (extremely high molar acetic acid) can be used to isolate the morphine crystals, for use in making heroin.

If you tried to smoke it, it burns poorly and does not give out that much smoke (it doesnt taste bad). This is why i suggested treating it with ammonium hydroxide to try to make a freebase, which would probably be more apt for smoke. The alkaloid content in pod potty, most importantly morphine and codeine, is definately quite a bit lower than raw dried opium off a fresh pod (especially cooked fresh latex), but it definately contains a certain amount of both codeine. Unfortunately there are all the other alkaloids present in the putty, the most troublesome is probably thebaine (because of its annoying stimulating properties, and it may be responsible for the common headaches that both tea and putty cause). Thebaine is water soluble, and the best way of seperating it from the morphine is probably by using the glacial acetic acid. Im not sure how GAA interacts with codeine and thebaine, but i know it helps to isolate the morphine.

I think orally is best the way to take the putty, or dissolved in vodka/gin. It lasts longer than the tea, especially if you just simply eat it. Im not sure about plugging it, but since its water soluble it would probably dissolve and get absorbed into your bloodstream.

Pod putty will dry out and shrink in size if you leave it out in the open (not outside/ under the sun), and becomes harder and less sticky, You should leave it out till it gets to a nice consistency, then keep it in an air-tight container, to prevent over-hardening/drying. If you let it dry out for a long time, it will get rock hard, and you could probaby crush it, and grind it into a fine powder. I probably wouldnt snort it, but it might work this way. In anycase, the powder would dissolve easier in water/alcohol, and may work better in a morphine isolation.
 
I am not clear on the conversion myself. It can be done a couple of ways, but isolating the alkaloids beyond the Morph seems a bit dangerous to me, and I don't think I would use the final product. Besides, the beauty of poppy tea is the mix of alkaloids you get, and the lasting power of the unadulterated 'soup'. A good cuppa can last 12+ hours.
 
When did i say acetic acid makes heroin? I said glacial acetic acid makes morphine crystals (which in turn can be used for heroin production), and in another post i refered to acetic anhydride for making heroin.
 
Man, some of you guys don't make any sense. While the effort it takes to make a batch of poppy tea sucks compared to popping a pill, IMHO it kicks Oxy's ASS! And as for it tasting bad, don't you people know how to use things like sugar and mint? I can make a batch of poppy tea that tastes wonderful using plenty of sugar and a piece of mint candy or two. Gets you high for a full 20 hours. Beat that with a friggin' oxy.

And to make it stronger, drink a big ol' glass of 100% white grapefruit juice just prior to drinking the tea. Makes it MUCH stronger. And yeah, you may have to add sugar to the juice to make that palatable as well.
 
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