silvia saint
Bluelighter
syntech said:
many people have died and continue to die everyday just for trying to vote or attain the right to vote. don't throw this opportunity that you are lucky enough to have been given away.
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Politics in 2004
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many people have died and continue to die everyday just for trying to vote or attain the right to vote. don't throw this opportunity that you are lucky enough to have been given away.
syntech: At the end of the day, even if you know sweet FA about any of the parties, go with your gut and intuition.
Who feels more right to you?
Issues of 'well my vote would never matter anyway' are pretty unfounded because when it comes right down to it, we're all only worth one vote. The point is that when we ALL vote we do make a difference in deciding who wins our electorate, and by extension who governs the country. Even if you vote for a minor party thanks to the preferential voting system you will still see this flow on effect.
As smileyfish said, voting is a really important part of living in a democracy, it'd be a pity to waste the opportunity.
Who feels more right to you?
Issues of 'well my vote would never matter anyway' are pretty unfounded because when it comes right down to it, we're all only worth one vote. The point is that when we ALL vote we do make a difference in deciding who wins our electorate, and by extension who governs the country. Even if you vote for a minor party thanks to the preferential voting system you will still see this flow on effect.
As smileyfish said, voting is a really important part of living in a democracy, it'd be a pity to waste the opportunity.
keystroke
Bluelighter
preacha said:
I've always donkey voted because no ones ever appealed to me before;
but now someone is appealing to me, John Howard - he is appealing me to vote for anyone who is running against him - so Mark Latham is getting my first OFFICIAL australian vote.
CHiLD-0F-THE-BEAT
Bluelighter
Originally posted by preacha
exercise your right to donkey vote, its the australian way!
exercise your right to donkey vote, its the australian way!
^A friend at work mentioned to me he intended on doing this very thing, the other week.
I almost punched him.
Well said Sylvia Saint.
I completely agree.This defeatest attitude never has and never will achieve the change we are all hungering for.
How about some positivity?
I for one, am overjoyed at the sheer numbers of people I have been in direct contact with, mentioning their first [precious] preference will go Greens this year.
Music to my ears.
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keystroke
Bluelighter
I think the Greens have some good ideas, but they will never get elected, IMO,
http://www.greens.org.au/policies/
http://www.greens.org.au/policies/
onetwothreefour
Bluelight Crew
no, keystroke, the greens will not be in power in any times that look ... soon. drink makes me forget words.
anyway, it doesn't matter; like other s in the is thread have mentioned, the more votes the greens get, the more their policies will be considered by whoiever is in power.
so, vote greeens, and preference labor
anyway, it doesn't matter; like other s in the is thread have mentioned, the more votes the greens get, the more their policies will be considered by whoiever is in power.
so, vote greeens, and preference labor
-Thoth
Bluelight Crew
It's important to make destinctions between the way the Senete and the House of Reps are elected. Senete seats are dished out based on the proportions of votes distrubuted accross whole states. House of Rep seats are elected on the basis of who wins seat-by-seat electorates. This means that it is much easier for minor parties to get elected in the senete, because all they need is a certain percentage proportion of votes across the whole state. House of Reps seats are difficult for minor parties to get, because to win seats, they have to win the majority of votes (winner takes all) in induvidual electorates. It is very rare to have minor parties who have a support base concentrated enough to achieve this. This is one of the reasons why one nation copped such a beating in their first election debut. While they were delivered many, many, house or reps votes... They didn't get enough in any single seat to topple either of the major parties.
What does all this mean? Well, it means minor parties are unlikely to gain seats in the lower house... But that they have a MUCH BETTER chance of picking them up in the senate. If you feel appropriately, you may want to vote for a minor party in the senate, and a major one in the house of reps.
Finally, the party you deliver your vote to, regardless of whether they win, gets a certain ammount of federal grant money for it. Thus, more votes means more electoral funding for the party. Sending your vote to a party is almost like giving them a small donation.
What does all this mean? Well, it means minor parties are unlikely to gain seats in the lower house... But that they have a MUCH BETTER chance of picking them up in the senate. If you feel appropriately, you may want to vote for a minor party in the senate, and a major one in the house of reps.
Finally, the party you deliver your vote to, regardless of whether they win, gets a certain ammount of federal grant money for it. Thus, more votes means more electoral funding for the party. Sending your vote to a party is almost like giving them a small donation.
killarava2day
Ex-Bluelighter
Diversity is the key... Vote for ANYONE but Lib/Labor
keystroke
Bluelighter
Macksta said:
my bad, I meant never be in power.
1-2-3-4 got it right, my mistake.
keystroke
Bluelighter
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/09/03/1093939146294.html
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I always thought that parties like the Greens gave their votes away to John Howard...or anyone else running (lab/lib)... correct me if I'm wrong....
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katmeow
Bluelight Crew
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If you have a look at each parties website, you can see where their preferences go to, but as others have said, preferences only matter if you are just voting number one. If you number every box, you can direct your preferences anywhere you like.
If you have a look at each parties website, you can see where their preferences go to, but as others have said, preferences only matter if you are just voting number one. If you number every box, you can direct your preferences anywhere you like.
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lostpunk5545
Bluelighter
Controversial subjective post
Only twenty something hours left for those of you who have not enrolled to vote.
So if you havn't enrolled do so - unless of course you were planning to vote liberal in which case don't bother.
Oh and if you have already enrolled and plan to vote liberal I've heard that there is some cool things called Darwin awards. Do us all a favour and apply for one...
Only twenty something hours left for those of you who have not enrolled to vote.
So if you havn't enrolled do so - unless of course you were planning to vote liberal in which case don't bother.
Oh and if you have already enrolled and plan to vote liberal I've heard that there is some cool things called Darwin awards. Do us all a favour and apply for one...
Good one
-Thoth
Bluelight Crew
So if you havn't enrolled do so - unless of course you were planning to vote liberal in which case don't
I'd rather people voted liberal than not voting at all...
anna!
Bluelight Crew
Uh, yeah. Perhaps there should be less of a focus on "voting liberal is a waste of a vote" and more on "not voting is a waste of a vote".
Obviously the vast majority of voters in Aus Social prefer Greens/Labor, but that doesn't void the opinion of those people who will be voting Liberal. My priorities lie in health care, family support, interest rates and education, and Howard's stance on these issues suits me better than Latham's. Considering that most people who post on this forum don't have young families, it's not surprising that my priorities would be different to most people's. And I still think Mark Latham is a jerk.
But don't blow off my right to vote for whoever I like. The beauty of living in a democratic society is that my vote counts for just as each of your votes do, and I am - and all the other Liberal voters here are - entitled to use that vote for John Howard if that's what I want.
Invalidating other people because of your political persuasion is not on. Any further suggestions that this is the case will be edited.
Obviously the vast majority of voters in Aus Social prefer Greens/Labor, but that doesn't void the opinion of those people who will be voting Liberal. My priorities lie in health care, family support, interest rates and education, and Howard's stance on these issues suits me better than Latham's. Considering that most people who post on this forum don't have young families, it's not surprising that my priorities would be different to most people's. And I still think Mark Latham is a jerk.
But don't blow off my right to vote for whoever I like. The beauty of living in a democratic society is that my vote counts for just as each of your votes do, and I am - and all the other Liberal voters here are - entitled to use that vote for John Howard if that's what I want.
Invalidating other people because of your political persuasion is not on. Any further suggestions that this is the case will be edited.
lostpunk5545
Bluelighter
^ I put a disclaimer in the post title that seems to have been overlooked
And how can you say Howard's policy on healthcare is better than Latham's when Howard just copies whatever Latham says when it comes to healthcare?
And how can you say Howard's policy on healthcare is better than Latham's when Howard just copies whatever Latham says when it comes to healthcare?
anna!
Bluelight Crew
Howard is offering improvements to Medicare that Latham is not. We seem to spend a lot of time at the doctor in my family (visits for pregnancy, little kids who fall down a lot, etc.) and increases in Medicare rebates for non-bulk billed GP visits is definitely a drawcard for me. I mean, raising it by $4.50 per visit would save me in the vacinity of $400 a year. So, that's part of the reason.