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Politics in 2004

who are you voting for?

  • liberal/the nationals

    Votes: 18 20.0%

  • labor

    Votes: 20 22.2%

  • the greens

    Votes: 49 54.4%

  • the democrats

    Votes: 1 1.1%

  • another minor party

    Votes: 2 2.2%

  • i don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • i don't care

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • i don't vote (non-australian citizen)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    90
^^^ thank you. butros, surely you don't still believe that do you - the retort to that lie has been all over the fucking news for a year now. dude.
 
regardless of the fact, as Butros said, why would we even want to welcome people into our country if they *threaten* to do something so silly with their own children....

but it does make you think just how bad they must have it over there to resort to such things...
 
ButrosButros_Grantos said:
B.t.w : If Howard is damaged for lying about the children overboard imagine the parents and crew members that threw them into the water in the first place to be allowed access to our country... right on.
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You have had an absolute shocker as 1234 and Killarava2day have pointed out!!!

It's weird though cos what I don't get is that you contradict yourself?!?!

First you admit that Howard is bad because he lied that children were thrown overboard, then you say that the people who did throw the children overboard (that you've just said never happened) are bad too?

Logic suggests to me that if children were never thrown overboard and you happily admit that, then it's just a tad unfair to start blaming people for throwing children overboard..

I'm confused...
 
Unless your living in severe poverty I suggest you have no right to predict what they are living in. I feel very sorry for people living in poverty or running from persecution. However I have no sympathy for those people who try to jump the que by being smuggled in, taking the place of legitamate asylam seekers.
 
Originally posted by drug addicted psycho
Unless your living in severe poverty I suggest you have no right to predict what they are living in. I feel very sorry for people living in poverty or running from persecution. However I have no sympathy for those people who try to jump the que by being smuggled in, taking the place of legitamate asylam seekers.


eh??

most of the people jumping the queues are fleeing from *war-torn* countries. if you honestly don't think you'd do EVERYTHING in your power to get your own family out of a similar situation, you're totally in the minority of most people and not at all the kind of person who should ever raise a family...or lying to yourself.
 
Its more heroic to stay and fight... I guess those pussies are just looking for the easy road. Id rather die believing that I can make a difference to the country that gave me life rather than jumping ship as the case may be.

I gots to admit im a patriot when not in the line of fire. :)
 
Im not saying the shouldn't be allowed here its just wouldnt you be pissed off if youd aplied for asylum over in sum shity country and your aplication wasn't procesed until we procesed those of people who broke the law to enter the country. What your saying is the ends justify's the means, it doesnt and although i feel sorry for all asylum seekers I feel more sorry for those who have followed the correct process and i feel they should be rewarded.
 
^^^ ends rarely justify the means, but sometimes, just sometimes, it does.

i'd rather save someone's life at risk of making someone in less danger wait longer than vice versa. and i guess that's where we differ.
 
Originally posted by Backo
Its more heroic to stay and fight... I guess those pussies are just looking for the easy road. Id rather die believing that I can make a difference to the country that gave me life rather than jumping ship as the case may be.

I gots to admit im a patriot when not in the line of fire. :)


is that not an individual stance? i'd probably rather stay and fight -for myself- as well, but this isn't a matter of looking after oneself, but looking after *family*. ya know.
 
^^^^
I sensed very subtle sarcasm in that post by Backo, but I could be wrong... :)
 
^^^ *sigh*

i know. you're probably right. i kinda get the feeling backo just likes to get me riled because i always take the bait (*understatement of the century*).

i'ma kill that bitch one day ;)=D
 
Hmm people pay lots of money to get on those boats and it is often the case that they are the ones in less danger. However we often never hear of the legitamate asylum seekers being slaughtered as the government has to deal with those who break the law.
 
^ If there were more people in the world like you, it would be such a super happy fun place to live.

And nice speculation there... Got any fact?
 
^^^^

Yeah I got some...

Myth 1 - Boat People are Queue Jumpers

Fact: In Iraq and Afghanistan, there are no queues for people to jump. Australia has no diplomatic representation in these countries and supports the International coalition of nations who continue to oppose these regimes and support sanctions against them. Therefore, there is no standard refugee process where people wait in line to have their applications considered. Few countries between the Middle East and Australia are signatories to the 1951 Refugee Convention, and as such asylum seekers are forced to continue to travel to another country to find protection. People who are afraid for their lives are fleeing from the world's most brutal regimes including the Taliban in Afghanistan and Sadaam Hussein's dictatorship in Iraq. Antonio Domini, Head of UN Humanitarian Program in Afghanistan, states that Afghanistan is one of the most difficult places in the world in which to survive.

Myth 2 - Asylum Seekers are Illegal

Fact: This is untrue. Under Australian Law and International Law a person is entitled to make an application for refugee asylum in another country when they allege they are escaping persecution. Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution." People who arrive on our shores without prior authorisation from Australia, with no documents, or false documents are not illegal. They are asylum seekers - a legal status under International Law. Many Asylum Seekers are forced to leave their countries in haste and are unable to access appropriate documentation. In many cases oppressive authorities actively prevent normal migration processes from occurring. 'Illegals' are people who overstay their visas. The vast majority of these in Australia are from western countries, including 5,000 British tourists.

Myth 5 - They're Not Real Refugees Anyway

Fact: 97% of applicants from Iraq and 93% of applicants from Afghanistan seeking asylum without valid visas in Australia in 1999 were recognised as genuine refugees. Therefore, under Australian law they were found to be eligible to stay in Australia. Generally, 84% of all asylum seekers are found to be legitimate refugees and are able to stay in Australia.

Myth 6 - They Must Be 'Cashed up' to Pay People Smugglers

Fact: It is alleged that people who have the resources to pay people smugglers could not possibly be genuine refugees. The UNHCR disputes claims about 'cashed up' refugees saying that payments made to people smugglers in fact range from $4000 - $5000 AUD. In reality, many families and communities pool their resources in an attempt to send their relatives to safety. People smuggling is a crime that the international community needs to combat. However, this does not negate the legitimacy of asylum seekers' claims, nor their need to seek refuge. The international community, in eradicating people smuggling, is also required to address the growing numbers of asylum seekers throughout the world. As a Western nation, Australia has a role to play.


http://www.erc.org.au/issues/text/se01.htm

Maybe drug addicted psycho is still away researching and compiling his response?
 
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