Police Brutality Thread

[birdup.snaildown]

too long maybe

Anything over six inches is just showing off.

 

[dalpat077]

The amount of time between him dropping the gun and getting shot was mere seconds. He ran for a while. How does the cop know if he has another gun or not? Play stupid games win stupid prizes. A 13 yr old has no business on those streets at that hour, this isnt a normal 13yr old kid this is a gang banger running w horrible older people giving him bad ideas. He absolutely couldve changed his life with intervention. The family knew he was truant and reported him missing, he came back and left again. Why didnt they try to get police intervention before it became deadly. They paint him as this nice kid but that family knew he was running with dangerous people. These cops are regularly threatened with their lives by ruthless gangs that will kill them and even innocent children, look at that 7yr old killed in the drive thru in Chicago days after this. Where is the outrage for that? That said ACAB

800 MILLISECONDS to be exact!

But of course: I've yet to see a link to the video of that incident that doesn't use that thumbnail i.e. poor innocent unarmed chap with his hands up.

I agree with everything by the way although I have been coming at all of this from the point of view that it doesn't really matter what these individuals had done in the past i.e. it's what they did at the time that counts to me. I cannot back this up with facts but my opinion is that in a lot of these cases the officers didn't even know who they were dealing with beforehand.

 

[Zephyn]

Just thought I'd chime in, fuck tha police

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

I know what your point was. My point is that he didn't resist arrest or pose any danger to law enforcement on any of those occasions. The first time he got nailed he'd admittedly failed to stop initially but eventually the game was up. And law enforcement at that time had no idea who they were trying to pull over and, to the best of my knowledge and understanding and logic, law enforcement officers don't fire at random vehicles unless they know beforehand that the suspect is wanted or that a crime has been committed.



You ALMOST had me there! I only remembered this one when I saw it again.

Nope. Sorry. Not just sitting in his car minding his business. Being pulled over aside (which could happen to anybody let's face it): everything is calm, dude tells the officer that he has a firearm, still all calm and officer says to not reach for it or move, and the poor chap, for whatever reason, decides to move and reach for his ID (so the story goes and I've no reason to doubt it). Now. Had he kept his hands where the officer could see them: we'd not be having this particular exchange let's face it.

Point I'm trying to make (not just to you obviously i.e. been trying to get this across in any way that I know how but with little to no success obviously):

Thus far, and with all of the cases cited here and those recalled from memory, not a single one of them has gone tits up without the suspect having played a part and spooking (at very least) the officer(s) no matter their race, background, or any other factors. Prime example if that Army Lt. that's now suing the department. In spite of him being difficult and full of himself: he at least knew to keep his hands on the steering wheel and clearly visible to the officer. Had he not done so: mark my words he'd have gotten a lot more than pepper spray in his face.

Anecdotally and for fun: Ted Bundy only got caught because of his poor driving skills. Philando Castile also didn't have the best of driving records (alright that I just saw now I'll admit)! Ironic is all (if seen in the context of our exchange).

Son of Sam didn't resist arrest either and he's still living getting fed three square meals a day and shooting pool.

 

[Zephyn]

In the USA, every single police officer would actively ruin any of your lives just for being a drug user. I don't see how they have any fans in these parts. If they don't perceive you to fit the status quo, they treat you like shit. To any minority, be it drug users or black people. Though being black is not a choice like using drugs, doesn't change the fact.

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

So you think all the police shootings were justified, they all resisted or threatened the officers lives to the point it warranted them being shot and killed?
I get what you’re saying, bundy got pulled over and i assume did everything perfectly therefore he wasnt shot and killed. But to then say Castile’s death is justified because he moved his hand off the wheel? If he was hurriedly going for the glove compartment for his gun, sure, the cop would feel threatened. Castile was likely very nervous and may have been trying to comply, maybe had the thought to get his ID for the officer and made the mistake of moving a hand off the wheel. I’m sorry, but that doesn’t mean he deserved what happened. Technically, yes, if the cop said don’t move and he did, he messed up. But, death, is not the appropriate punishment.
I respect your arguments and understand what you’re saying. I think the media, and several other factors, push the rhetoric that cops are murdering POC and i don’t agree with that. However, i do think there are cops out there that are improperly trained and using their weapons more often than they should. When people continuously see snd hear stories about traffic stops ending in death and the victims are predominantly one race, it’s going to ignite strong feelings. Knowing people who are terrified of getting pulled over because they don’t know what will happen to them, is very sad to me. I don’t feel the need to dispute anything you said, I don’t think there is a right or wrong here in this discussion. It’s sad, too, that many cops who have nothing to do with any of these incidents, are being targeted or harassed. How does it all stop?

One thing you don't do and this should be common sense you don'r reach for anything unless the Police Officer tells you to, you make a move to grab something whether it be your registration or or ID, without the Police officer telling you to you better believe it there is going to be consequences, especially nowadays with these criminals carrying bigger guns than the Police.

And what did he have to be nervous about if he did nothing wrong?

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Love reading y'alls comments in the morning with my coffee but damn...do you guys ever sleep?

 

[Zephyn]

Love reading y'alls comments in the morning with my coffee but damn...do you guys ever sleep?

I've had trouble sleeping ever since I got coerced into taking sleeping med antidepressants and antipsychotics and quit cold turkey a few months ago.

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

His calm demeanor, mixed with how quickly he stood up to honor the jury who convicted him of something he claims innocense... makes me feel like. Yeah, they are going to let this guy out in a few years when it settles down. Wouldn't even be a huge conspiracy, maybe 10 officers would have to know.

Look I'm sorry Floyd is dead,I truly am, but hadn't he resisted arrest he'd still be alive, did you not see the video the defense attorney showed?

The guy fought every which possible, not to be arrested even when he was cuffed, the other officers present who I think should be locked up with Chauvin because they just stood by and let Chauvin handle Floyd by himself, all should've of grabbed him and threw him in the Police unit and rushed him to the hospital, if the medics took too long to get there. And why did the medics take so long to get there? Is this being asked?

Your convicting an officer of the law who the defense lawyer showed he did everything empowered to him as an officer of the law to subdue a criminal, and that's what Floyd was a criminal, he was no angel, his record proves that.and your going to lock him up to please the criminal and liberal masses, you're setting a bad precedent.

You think the politicians who live in their lofty mansions really give a fuck Floyd died? The answer is no, it's all politics and keeping their seats and getting reelected.

You see, Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schummer, Waters etc. don't have to worry about criminals and getting attacked they have their armed private security and Secret Service to protect them, it's us regular citizens who have to worry about being mugged, assaulted raped and killed,not these politicians.

And Zephyn, I understand your anger and feel for you and what happened to you, yes there a bad cops out there and they should be punished, but this Floyd guy and his drug dealer are the people who are responsible for his death, hadn't he had all those drugs in his system, had he not resisted arrest, he would still be alive today.

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

The USA public and the world lost, nobody won. Biden and Kamala are racist, super corrupt, and both major parties in the USA are the same and have been for well over 50+ years.

I completely agree with you except for the racist part, Trump was not racist and did and does care about America, he was not a politician, he actually wanted to do something good for our country.

Unlike Schummer, Pelosi, Biden, Harris and so forth who only care about lining their pockets and keeping their jobs.

Floyd was a plan for the liberal left and I hate to say it but they are most likely happy the guy died so they could jump on the hate the police and Whitey wagon, to further their communist agenda.

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

Why do you think that cycle got worse after the welfare system was introduced?

If you look at statistics from 70 years ago: Black people weren't disproportionately committing violent crimes; the single parenthood rate was low; and unemployment was low.



I don't see it as a result of discrimination. Clearly the welfare state has had a devastating effect on Black people. Unless you are arguing that welfare is racist, I disagree with you.

Amen brother!!!

 

[Zephyn]

Look I'm sorry Floyd is dead,I truly am, but hadn't he resisted arrest he'd still be alive, did you not see the video the defense attorney showed?

The guy fought every which possible, not to be arrested even when he was cuffed, the other officers present who I think should be locked up with Chauvin because they just stood by and let Chauvin handle Floyd by himself, all should've of grabbed him and threw him in the Police unit and rushed him to the hospital, if the medics took too long to get there. And why did the medics take so long to get there? Is this being asked?

Your convicting an officer of the law who the defense lawyer showed he did everything empowered to him as an officer of the law to subdue a criminal, and that's what Floyd was a criminal, he was no angel, his record proves that.and your going to lock him up to please the criminal and liberal masses, you're setting a bad precedent.

You think the politicians who live in their lofty mansions really give a fuck Floyd died? The answer is no, it's all politics and keeping their seats and getting reelected.

You see, Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schummer, Waters etc. don't have to worry about criminals and getting attacked they have their armed private security and Secret Service to protect them, it's us regular citizens who have to worry about being mugged, assaulted raped and killed,not these politicians.

And Zephyn, I understand your anger and feel for you and what happened to you, yes there a bad cops out there and they should be punished, but this Floyd guy and his drug dealer are the people who are responsible for his death, hadn't he had all those drugs in his system, had he not resisted arrest, he would still be alive today.

You seem to think that resisting arrest or being on drugs means you should be killed? I'm sorry, but police do not, should not, and will not have that authority.

 

[Zephyn]

Look I'm sorry Floyd is dead,I truly am, but hadn't he resisted arrest he'd still be alive, did you not see the video the defense attorney showed?

The guy fought every which possible, not to be arrested even when he was cuffed, the other officers present who I think should be locked up with Chauvin because they just stood by and let Chauvin handle Floyd by himself, all should've of grabbed him and threw him in the Police unit and rushed him to the hospital, if the medics took too long to get there. And why did the medics take so long to get there? Is this being asked?

Your convicting an officer of the law who the defense lawyer showed he did everything empowered to him as an officer of the law to subdue a criminal, and that's what Floyd was a criminal, he was no angel, his record proves that.and your going to lock him up to please the criminal and liberal masses, you're setting a bad precedent.

You think the politicians who live in their lofty mansions really give a fuck Floyd died? The answer is no, it's all politics and keeping their seats and getting reelected.

You see, Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schummer, Waters etc. don't have to worry about criminals and getting attacked they have their armed private security and Secret Service to protect them, it's us regular citizens who have to worry about being mugged, assaulted raped and killed,not these politicians.

And Zephyn, I understand your anger and feel for you and what happened to you, yes there a bad cops out there and they should be punished, but this Floyd guy and his drug dealer are the people who are responsible for his death, hadn't he had all those drugs in his system, had he not resisted arrest, he would still be alive today.

I could see it being a conspiracy, but more to divide regarding race, which personally i don't think plays as much of a factor as people think, though in places like Minnesota "the Mississippi of the north", it very well could be.

Oh come on, commies? I don't want communism any more than I want this shit, but it would be preferable and there would be less suffering. Bring on the socialist NWO!

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

Thank you for this. This is exactly what I've been trying to have a discussion about. You're right, it is almost impossible to make a policy or system that has exactly the same outcomes for everyone. I think a lot of the issue right now is the size of the disparity. I am definitely not suggesting we should attempt to eliminate the gap completely as a practical goal. It might be an aspirational goal as part of an effort to decrease the size of the gap though.

When I think about this, there are some analogies to bussing during the civil rights era, no? That involved moving people from their geographical isolation and into more integrated groups. That was controversial, but it dd work. Perhaps if geography is the problem there needs to be more effort directed to creating more diverse communities in both inner-city and suburban areas? I'm just spitballing there, the point is to have a discussion about what things can be done to address the problem. I'm not suggesting that police don't do their jobs, my argument has been directed at highlighting the problem thus far, not suggesting a solution.

Why didn't Obama and Biden who were in office for eight years address the problem and do more for his people by creating programs to help the disenchanted youth who turn to gangs because that's the only sense of family some of them have?

All he did was give out more welfare and extend unemployment benefits to ridiculous long periods, I think it was two years you could collect without having to find a job, What intensives did he give his people to get a job or create jobs for them and focus on the drug and prostitute ridden neighborhoods and try and clean them up by putting more Police patrolling those bad neighborhoods, so the decent people who have to live in them can live a normal life and raise their children without worrying one of them getting caught in the crossfire from gang banging, or lured into these gangs?

He did nothing positive for his people or people of color,the whole eight years those two were in office, yet he's loved by his people because he's half Black,not even pure Black, his mother was White, when he was in office his home city had the highest crime and shootings, Black on Black crimes and killings, never mind the police.

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

You seem to think that resisting arrest or being on drugs means you should be killed? I'm sorry, but police do not, should not, and will not have that authority.

You misquote me my friend, I never said that, him resisting arrest and fighting against being arrested and the drugs in his system got him killed.

Did you not see the defense lawyer when he showed the video footage? Chauvin didn't even have his nee on Floyd's neck,it was on his shoulder blade.

Why isn't the EMS being questioned on why it took so long for them to get there?

Don't misconstrue my words, I've had plenty of run ins with the police and never once resisted arrest or tried to fight back while under the influence, and I'm still here to type about it, I simply got cuffed and was whisked away to the holding cell or County jail and obeyed every order given to me by the police.

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

Just thought I'd chime in, fuck tha police

Without the police, you would be subjected to more violence and harm, and not by the police, but by your ordinary career criminal.

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

I could see it being a conspiracy, but more to divide regarding race, which personally i don't think plays as much of a factor as people think, though in places like Minnesota "the Mississippi of the north", it very well could be.

Oh come on, commies? I don't want communism any more than I want this shit, but it would be preferable and there would be less suffering. Bring on the socialist NWO!

I guess you haven't looked or read about past history and present concerning socialism and communism, which to me Socialism is a softer term of communism, and the poverty and suffering these countries live in, except for those in power, you think they would have this trial in North Korea, China, Cuba or Russia, or riots and demonstrations allowed?

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

In the USA, every single police officer would actively ruin any of your lives just for being a drug user. I don't see how they have any fans in these parts. If they don't perceive you to fit the status quo, they treat you like shit. To any minority, be it drug users or black people. Though being black is not a choice like using drugs, doesn't change the fact.

We support the police because even though we use, we are smart enough to know that without the police,there would be chaos, and try and go buy your drugs, the dealers would simply rob you or kill you and you'd just be kicked to the curb, and the gangs would rule your nice neighborhoods that you have to leave to go buy your dope.

That's why we support the police, because even though we use we still need protection, and when attacked or robbed by a criminal we have someone to call.

 

[dalpat077]

I was wondering why the reverence for the Elijah McClain case so had to look it up of course.

Well. Here's what I found.

I've just skimmed over the new posts above. I'm getting there.

 

[Zephyn]

We support the police because even though we use, we are smart enough to know that without the police,there would be chaos, and try and go buy your drugs, the dealers would simply rob you or kill you and you'd just be kicked to the curb, and the gangs would rule your nice neighborhoods that you have to leave to go buy your dope.

That's why we support the police, because even though we use we still need protection, and when attacked or robbed by a criminal we have someone to call.

You aren't supporting the police, you are supporting a cop who was just convicted of murder and excusing his actions because the guy resisted arrest and was on drugs.