Police Brutality Thread

[Zephyn]

I guess you haven't looked or read about past history and present concerning socialism and communism, which to me Socialism is a softer term of communism, and the poverty and suffering these countries live in, except for those in power, you think they would have this trial in North Korea, China, Cuba or Russia, or riots and demonstrations allowed?

Are you kidding me? Scandinavia has some of the lowest poverty rates in the world

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

Are you kidding me? Scandinavia has some of the lowest poverty rates in the world

You are going to call me racist if I answer this, so I won't even bother.

 

[Zephyn]

You are going to call me racist if I answer this, so I won't even bother.

Don't stereotype me so easily. I even gave PriestTheyCalledHim the benefit of the doubt.

Its someone's human right to resist arrest, it may be a crime, but its not one punishable by death. Floyd wasn't even violently resisting.

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

You aren't supporting the police, you are supporting a cop who was just convicted of murder and excusing his actions because the guy resisted arrest and was on drugs.

I am supporting a Police officer who upheld the law and kept other citizens out of harms way, practically by himself while his partners just stood there, had they intervened this would not be happening, if they would have all grabbed the big guy and tossed him in back of the police vehicle and sped to the hospital being the ambulance was taking too damn long to get there, he'd still be alive.

The EMS and the other officers should be held accountable also.

 

[Zephyn]

I am supporting a Police officer who upheld the law and kept other citizens out of harms way, practically by himself while his partners just stood there, had they intervened this would not be happening, if they would have all grabbed the big and tossed him in back of the police vehicle and sped to the hospital being the ambulance was taking to damn long to get there, he'd still be alive.

The EMS and the other officers should be held accountable also.

They should, but you think Chauvin should be excused because no one intervened ?

 

[HatingThisLife]

I completely agree with you except for the racist part, Trump was not racist and did and does care about America, he was not a politician, he actually wanted to do something good for our country.

Unlike Schummer, Pelosi, Biden, Harris and so forth who only care about lining their pockets and keeping their jobs

Bahahahahahaha you really believe that?? Most of his policies benefitted him, his families and his cronies. They lined their pockets at our expense. Trump doesnt give a flying fuck of 2 shits about any of us!!! His shits on a golden toilet and you believe he cares about us?? That's as funny as saying Trump is anti-abortion....I wonder how quickly he pays for and urges his mistresses to have abortions??? Hook line and sinker!!

 

[HatingThisLife]

I am supporting a Police officer who upheld the law and kept other citizens out of harms way, practically by himself while his partners just stood there, had they intervened this would not be happening, if they would have all grabbed the big and tossed him in back of the police vehicle and sped to the hospital being the ambulance was taking to damn long to get there, he'd still be alive.

The EMS and the other officers should be held accountable also.

They didnt just stand there!! I watched the raw body cam footage, the other officers helped try to push him into the back of the cop car and they helped hold him down. And then when he passed out and had no pulse they try to tell Chauvin that and asked if they should roll him on his side which is standard protocol and Chauvin said no. They are being charged and will go to trial in August. They will be held accountable. Where have you gotten your info from?

 

[HatingThisLife]

Why didn't Obama and Biden who were in office for eight years address the problem and do more for his people by creating programs to help the disenchanted youth who turn to gangs because that's the only sense of family some of them have?

All he did was give out more welfare and extend unemployment benefits to ridiculous long periods, I think it was two years you could collect without having to find a job, What intensives did he give his people to get a job or create jobs for them and focus on the drug and prostitute ridden neighborhoods and try and clean them up by putting more Police patrolling those bad neighborhoods, so the decent people who have to live in them can live a normal life and raise their children without worrying one of them getting caught in the crossfire from gang banging, or lured into these gangs?

He did nothing positive for his people or people of color,the whole eight years those two were in office, yet he's loved by his people because he's half Black,not even pure Black, his mother was White, when he was in office his home city had the highest crime and shootings, Black on Black crimes and killings, never mind the police.

Obama took office during the worst recession since the Great Depression. At one point I was on unemployment during that tine and there were work search requirements and the amount of money was a fraction of what a normal paycheck wouldve been.

Why didnt Trump do any of that either?? All that shit he talked about Chicago and he did nothing for them either!! Oh maybe its bc that is up to the state and municipal governments. What exactly is it that you think Obama couldve done?

 

[dalpat077]

Its someone's human right to resist arrest, it may be a crime,

This, translated, to me, is like saying that it may be someone’s human right to commit a crime and then resist arrest. Doesn’t fly. Either I’m misunderstanding you or you’re not explaining nice.

Whatever the case: I cannot see how resisting arrest is a human right. Not on this planet anyway.

And even if I’m wrong: I’d like to see that playing out for real. You tell the law enforcement officer that you are resisting arrest because it is your human right to do so. See how that works out.

Come to think of it: didn’t McClain mention that he was taking back his rights?

but its not one punishable by death.

Technically I agree. Surprisingly. Unless that’s the only option left to law enforcement.

Unless you’re seriously saying that if somebody is taken into custody and somehow manages to free themselves and make a run for it then law enforcement should just let them run and, well, they’ll get them next time? I don’t see that as being a workable or effective solution on more levels than one.

Floyd wasn't even violently resisting.

True story. He wasn't violently resisting. That's why no lethal force was used. Think about that one for one minute.

 

[Zephyn]

This, translated, to me, is like saying that it may be someone’s human right to commit a crime and then resist arrest. Doesn’t fly. Either I’m misunderstanding you or you’re not explaining nice.

Whatever the case: I cannot see how resisting arrest is a human right. Not on this planet anyway.

And even if I’m wrong: I’d like to see that playing out for real. You tell the law enforcement officer that you are resisting arrest because it is your human right to do so. See how that works out.

Come to think of it: didn’t McClain mention that he was taking back his rights?


Technically I agree. Surprisingly. Unless that’s the only option left to law enforcement.

Unless you’re seriously saying that if somebody is taken into custody and somehow manages to free themselves and make a run for it then law enforcement should just let them run and, well, they’ll get them next time? I don’t see that as being a workable or effective solution on more levels than one.



True story. He wasn't violently resisting. That's why no lethal force was used. Think about that one for one minute.

That is preferrable to killing them. Yes, as the law goes and all ethics are concerned, if you can't capture them you let them go. Lethal force was used - he's dead.

 

[dalpat077]

That is preferrable to killing them. Yes, as the law goes and all ethics are concerned, if you can't capture them you let them go.

You think? I can see this working really well. A dude, either drunk out of his mind or high as a kite, gets pulled over, taken out of the vehicle, somehow manages to break free, gets back into his vehicle, and drives away. Police officers open fire and he ends up dead. Excessive force you may say?

Same dude above and same situation: police officers say oh well, next time, and the dude careens into another car while making his getaway and kills innocent people. I can see the headlines now already!

Lethal force was used - he's dead.

If only it were that simple in Mr. Floyd's case.


Anyways. Need to take a break. So I'll leave you (and the thread) in peace until tomorrow!

 

[Zephyn]

You think? I can see this working really well. A dude, either drunk out of his mind or high as a kite, gets pulled over, taken out of the vehicle, somehow manages to break free, gets back into his vehicle, and drives away. Police officers open fire and he ends up dead. Excessive force you may say?

Same dude above and same situation: police officers say oh well, next time, and the dude careens into another car while making his getaway and kills innocent people. I can see the headlines now already!



If only it were that simple in Mr. Floyd's case.


Anyways. Need to take a break. So I'll leave you (and the thread) in peace until tomorrow!

So you don't like the way the law is then, and want even more authoritarian police, with a license to kill fleeing people? Not going to happen.

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

We support the police because even though we use, we are smart enough to know that without the police,there would be chaos, and try and go buy your drugs, the dealers would simply rob you or kill you and you'd just be kicked to the curb, and the gangs would rule your nice neighborhoods that you have to leave to go buy your dope.

That's why we support the police, because even though we use we still need protection, and when attacked or robbed by a criminal we have someone to call.

this might be the most batshit crazy thing i’ve read on bluelight. we are the criminal. the police are not making your drug buy safe. sounds like you’d be in for a hell of a surprise if they catch you.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

The US has this beautiful network of propaganda that operates under the guise of individual choice. People opt for one president or the other. They actually convince themselves not just to care but to be passionate... when, really, there is no difference.

Everything is an illusion, including freedom. The United States is where that illusion blossoms the most.

We need passionate lunatics in this world.
God bless the red white and blue.

In the USA, both major parties are the same, want to stay in power, and have each other's interests at heart and deep down support each other.

 

[dalpat077]

So you don't like the way the law is then, and want even more authoritarian police, with a license to kill fleeing people? Not going to happen.

Nah. I think the law is fine (as long as it’s not being manipulated or compromised out of fear or by politics and it’s not crucifying police officers that is).

I do think though that there should be some public service announcements made e.g. what to do and what not do when being given a direct order by a law enforcement officer, or how to conduct yourself in a traffic stop, or how to conduct yourself after passing fake $20 bills at a store, getting caught in the act, and an attempt is being made to take you into custody as a result.

Fortunately I’m going to sleep now. Clangers to follow in the morning (right after I update the thread with tonight’s officer involved shootings that is).

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Burn Loot Murder and the super ghetto George Floyd square are promoting racism, hate speech, bigotry, as usual.

Asking Midwestern Northern/Scandinavian European-Americans to be quiet? Compared to non-European Midwest Americans from the Midwest that obsess and brag about how much melanin they have amongst each other, Midwestern European/Scandinavian-Americans are super quiet, private, not talkative or loud, and to outsiders that do not understand these social rules at all, or even try to they get considered cold, unfriendly, stuck up, and rude.

Rules for White People Posted at George Floyd Square in Minneapolis | The Gateway Pundit | by Kristinn Taylor

Activists controlling the autonomous zone at George Floyd Square at East 38th Street and Chicago Avenue in Minneapolis have posted notices at the entrance with instructions for visitors that include a section on rules for white people entering the “sacred space” where Floyd died while resisting...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

While it's difficult to speculate as to what's going on inside a person's head (and thus is kind of futile to argue, regarding any particular individual, "that guy is a racist!" or "that guy isn't a racist!"), I don't think it's entirely an issue of, "these police just hate black people, they're racist and they're picking on/shooting/maiming black people for shits and giggles" etc. The problem is related to race (for reasons already discussed) but is not solely about race. During the George Floyd protests over the summer, there were demos in western cities like Salt Lake City, and small hick towns populated mostly by white people. People who lived worlds away from the "inner city" found that this movement spoke to them enough that they were going to actively participate in it, but why? What spoke to them about the movement, what could they relate to?

I think it's because people are tired of being exploited by law enforcement officers who treat them with no respect, undermine their rights as a citizen into account and prey on them for "revenue generation".

From the Justice Dept report on the Ferguson Police Dept:

"Ferguson’s law enforcement practices are shaped by the City’s focus on revenue rather than by public safety needs. This emphasis on revenue has compromised the institutional character of Ferguson’s police department, contributing to a pattern of unconstitutional policing, and has also shaped its municipal court, leading to procedures that raise due process concerns and inflict unnecessary harm on members of the Ferguson community . . . The City’s emphasis on revenue generation has a profound effect on FPD’s approach to law enforcement. Patrol assignments and schedules are geared toward aggressive enforcement of Ferguson’s municipal code, with insufficient thought given to whether enforcement strategies promote public safety or unnecessarily undermine community trust and cooperation. Officer evaluations and promotions depend to an inordinate degree on “productivity,” meaning the number of citations issued . . . This culture within FPD influences officer activities in all areas of policing, beyond just ticketing. Officers expect and demand compliance even when they lack legal authority. They are inclined to interpret the exercise of free-speech rights as unlawful disobedience, innocent movements as physical threats, indications of mental or physical illness as belligerence. Police supervisors and leadership do too little to ensure that officers act in accordance with law and policy, and rarely respond meaningfully to civilian complaints of officer misconduct."

The point is that it's possible to recognize major problems with the way American LEO operate and advocate structural reform without even necessarily getting into the race issue at all. Some major reforms need to implemented regarding the role police have in our society (and the inner workings of some of these municipal governments) and the way they conduct themselves, i.e. they should actually behave like public servants and not petty shake-down artists who expect all of the power and none of the responsibility, who think that they're above the law and can violate people's constitutional rights with impunity. Like NYC's "stop and frisk" program back in the day, it's horrendous that you could simply be walking down the street in your own neighborhood and have some state-sponsored thugs accost you, put their hands and you and treat you in a demeaning fashion simply for existing, and I think I can condemn that kind of disgusting behavior without even mentioning race.

Ferguson became even more of a dangerous lawless slum with a super high crime and murder rate where blacks continue to murder, assault, and rob other blacks. The majority of blacks that hate this gang BS moved out for their safety as it is that bad.

Stop and Frisk was no big deal. You were not bothered unless you were or looked like a thug, and as long as you were not super fucked up, holding drugs, selling them, etc. it is no big deal.

 

[Zephyn]

Ferguson became even more of a dangerous lawless slum with a super high crime and murder rate where blacks continue to murder, assault, and rob other blacks. The majority of blacks that hate this gang BS moved out for their safety as it is that bad.

Stop and Frisk was no big deal. You were not bothered unless you were or looked like a thug, and as long as you were not super fucked up, holding drugs, selling them, etc. it is no big deal.

Do you think George Floyd looked like a thug in the video?

 

[Droppersneck]

Man seeing some of those jurors it’s not shocking the trial went the way it did. A very feelings based approach was clearly taken. Manslaughter would have been the proper charge, and then we would have also gotten the riots. A win win for everyone, but I’m holding out hope riots will happen once the night time temps rise. Wonder if cops will take the knee to the neck out of their manual now. And some of the brainlet takes from the expert witnesses, about the meth canceling out his three times fentanyl OD level, had me laughing pretty hard.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Man seeing some of those jurors it’s not shocking the trial went the way it did. A very feelings based approach was clearly taken. Manslaughter would have been the proper charge, and then we would have also gotten the riots. A win win for everyone, but I’m holding out hope riots will happen once the night time temps rise. Wonder if cops will take the knee to the neck out of their manual now. And some of the brainlet takes from the expert witnesses, about the meth canceling out his three times fentanyl OD level, had me laughing pretty hard.

Exactly. You even have people here on blue light claiming there is no way he could have overdosed and died from Fentanyl/opiates and METH, which is exactly what happened when George Floyd shoved those drugs up his ass.