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Pod Putty

You could do multiple "washes" with different solutions. Some people will make tea using hot water, then use an acidic solution, then a base solution. It doesn't make much of a difference, but it will yield slightly more of the alkaloids if you want to get as much as you can of all of them.
 
Do you have to use that much water when making tea? I had planned on using about 2 cups of water per high dose batch. Have you made any putty yet? How does it compare??
 
I haven't made it yet, but I will within a week. I can bump up this thread with the results when i do it.

The problem with pod tea is that if you want a strong dose, say maybe 10-20 big pods (your mileage may vary, don't let my dose fuck up your life), it ends up being a damn big hunk of plant material. And to make the tea, you do sort of want the material to "swim" a bit, meaning that you need at least enough water to cover it, and it will likely be more effective if you cover it well.

Also, for a larger amount of pods, no matter how hard you squeeze that shit in a t-shirt or whatever you use to filter, the larger the plant bulk the more water (and goodies) that you cannot easily physically squeeze out. This calls for a second extraction, or a larger amount of water to begin with (to dilute whatever amount will be stuck in the plant matter.

Thus enters pod putty. Use as much damn water as you need to get everything you want out of it, then evaporate it. No foul tasting tea. No distended tea-filled belly. Less GI disturbance (which I've noticed is often due to the harshness and volume of the tea rather than the alkaloids), too.

Also, if you are a plugger, you can get the liquid down to a manageable amount. There has been at least one person on this board to say they have plugged pod tea, and at least one more who has plugged SEED tea.

I can't imagine the turkey baster olympics they must have had to do to get the whole dose.
 
Excess water will just make it take longer to evaporate when making putty, but it's hard to know exactly how much water to use. You can just use a little bit of water and do multiple "washes" and when the tea starts coming out light golden/almost clear then you can stop, this way you will yield almost all the alkaloids. The fact of the matter is that almost all the alkaloids seem to be extracted on the first "wash" and you probably don't need to use that much water if you aren't worried about getting every last mg of morphine/codeine.
 
Acarsenal: You are right, I read you wrong. Concentrated perperations are of course possible, but the problem is you need heat to do it efficiently and heat (excessive tempos and excessive exposure) degrades morphine. I understand your complaint about taste, it is a common complaint (although I do not even use sugar when I use it as I find it comforting). You can make your tea and then mix into a fruit shake or any other palatable beverage.

On combining alcohol and water, all it will do is create a strata of morphine and a strata os inefficiently netted (other) alkaloids. The thing is, codeine and morphine, the two major constituients are opposite in most areas of solubility. If you want all the alakloids better to do a hot water extraction, and then a cool water (long) extraction.

To avoid excess vegetable matter when preparing large batches, simply powderise your pods (and seeds if you must although it makes no real sense to include the seeds when you actually have pods, ank residual coating the seeeds may have can easily be removed). Then, upon powderising, use very hot water (less than 95C and let stand for less than 10 minutes. To eliminate as much matter as possible simply use a tea filter or slotted spoon to filter as you pour your tea into drinking vessels. There will be a tiny amount of powder but it is onoly discernible after about 10 minutes. Until then it is in a fine suspension that you really cannot notice when drinking.
 
Good idea Rachamim.

To Mikex3, will be making pod putty soon.

At least one attempt will combine a hot water extraction and long cold water extraction in the hopes of obtaining a putty with significant quantities of morphine AND codeine.
 
Also, to Rachamim,

I had heard that not only is codeine less soluble in hot water, it might even degrade at a lower temperature than the morphine?

If this or similar should be the case, could you see it making sense to do a cold water extraction FIRST to obtain the codeine and start that evaporating and then do a hot water extraction to swoop in and grab the rest of the morphine?
 
if u dry the pod putty out, it turns into something like opium. Basically it is opium when u look at what its made up of, its just produced in a different way. It is definetely smokable, but im not sure if its more or less potent than opium. My guess is more.
 
What I've done before is grind the pods with a coffee grinder then use a decent volume of COLD water and throw it in the blender for 5-10mins. I then strained this and put it in a pot on the stove on VERY low heat, just enough to create a bit of steam with a fan blowing over the pot, then do another cold water wash of the pods with a little less volume of h2o and add it to the pot on the stove.

It was actually very interesting as the volume of the tea started to decrease brownish flakes of crud started to precipitate. Assuming morphine and codeine exist in the pods as meconate salts and considering their high solubility in h2o I figured it could only be useless crap so I would carefully (disturbing the evaporating mixture of tea/crud too much would cause the crud to dissolve again) filter the mixture through a funnel and coffee filter every so often, or once a good amount of the crud had precipitated.

I'd continue heating the mixture and filtering the crud until it reached a VERY low volume (about 30-50ml) then I put this in the fridge for a bit and a significant amount of crud would settle to the bottom of the solution. I then used a small syringe to slowly siphon off the upper clear tea layer while not disturbing the bottom crud.

Then I plugged the siphoned off tea and it ROCKED me, I remember using 3 good pods for this process and the effect was at least 2-3x as potent as drinking tea made from 3 pods.
 
Arc: I believe I posted the solubility indexes of both codeine and morphine in a very recent thread for water and again for alcohol. In any event, yes, codeine is only very slightly solunble in warm water and ets progressively less so as the temp. increases.

As for degradation, , not markedly but because of the solubility factor youy might as well say it is, right?

Zubi: IF you mean pod puttty as it is described here, it is much less potent . It is smokable but spo are dandelions. The idea is the alkaloidal content. Putty as it described here is really worthless.

Actual Putty is much more potent than opium but does not resemble it. IT is a solid, looks like hard hashish.
 
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