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PMA (?) - First Time - Hallucinogenic Amphetamine

kevthizz

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PMA-First Time-Hallucinogenic Amphetamine

I hope this will debunk or shed some light on a chemical with a bad rep that few have experienced themselves. I consider myself experienced, using MDMA, MDA, and MDE on numerous occasions. I got the chance to experience paramethoxyamphetamine or PMA or 4MA on my first trip to the Philippines, February 2004.

My cousins were throwing me a going away party, where we were drinking lots of the local extra strong beer called "Red Horse". Close to the end of our drinking session, I met a girl in her early twenties who claimed to have some E. She looked like a model and she seemed cool, so I said what the hell lets go!

Sitting in the backseat with this hottie, she hands me what she said to be half of a white "Canadian". The pill was stamped with a maple leaf and seemed to be decent size for a half(what ppl would consider a single dose). I chewed it up and washed it down with some soda,noting a distinct bitterness like MDMA. I sat there next to her with one hand on her butt and the other fondling her breast.

+20 mins-I started feeling like I was coming up, noting that this was really fast for me to be feeling effects of a pill.

+45 mins-I started feeling as if I was rolling, but not quite. Slightly euphoric. My tripping partner seemed to be already fully up on it. She examinied my eyes and exclaimed, "wow your pupils are big!" She then blew a menthol inhaler at my eyes. She then suggested we do something to kick in my high. First I layed down flat on the floor and she got on top of me, at the count of 3 she would push down and I would push up in an attempt to push her off me. After several tries, she suggested that she would spin me. So I got into a sort of crouching position and she proceeded to spin me. I stood up when I could no longer stand it and she caught me in her arms as I was about to fall over. At this point she was holding me in her arms as I felt an intense rush of euphoria.

+1 hour-My tripping partner then asked me "Do you see the design/pattern of the rug moving?" This induced the start of my hallucinations. I stared at the rug and the pattern seemed to be slithering like a snake, pulsating and breathing. I agreed with her that it was in fact moving. She then got up and led me by hand outside to go look at the stars. We then layed down on the lawn in front of the house and looked up at the stars. While looking at the stars, we both noticed that the stars were all blinking rapidly in no particular sequence. My partner then asked me, "Do you think they are trying to communicate with us?" This is when the hallucinations started to get really intense, I seemed to be peaking. My whole body was hot, especially my head. My partner felt that she had to vomit and started dry heaving. I felt as if I was frying or in some sort of trance like state. Every area of space I stared into revealed an endless wall of geometric shapes floating through the air passed us. At this point I told one of my cousins that I was in need of some water. I then asked my partner "What are in these things?" "This is way different than what I'm used to!" I then proceeded to say "oh shit!" repeatedly. We got up to go scare my other cousins by walking around them hand in hand exclaiming "shit! Do you see that?!!" Walking hand in hand, I noticed that every blade of grass seemed to be alive and moving. I looked over at a tree and it was also alive and breathing. My partner then told me "Don't worry, just remember we're here for eachother." So we go lay back down on the grass and she sort of lays on me. We are both just looking around in different directions, tripping off our surroundings. She asks me, "Do you see them?!?" She was refering to the eyes of people in our peripheral vision. I then replied, "Yes!!! Who are they?!!!!!" My partner told me "Look up to the sky and lift your legs and arms to the air, lets start flying!" It did seem as though we were flying through the dark sky.

+2 hours 30 minutes-My cousins came to observe us. We stood up in front of them while they sat on the ground. My partner decided that she wanted to give them a show. So she proceeded to wrap her arms around me and rub her body against mine. She really started getting into it, kissing my neck. My cousins were amazed watching us, cussing out loud in Tagalog and Ilocano. Then she made an attempt to kiss me which I refused. We then continued to trip off a tree that was about 50 feet in the distance, it just seemed to be going wild with each branch and leaf moving on its own. The trance like state would stop and I would feel like I was rolling, and then it would return. Off and on the hallucinations went until they finally stopped.

+3 hours-We were inside coming down, I felt so out of it. I was telling people things that scared them like, "You are all glass!!!!!!!!!! I can see through all of you!!!!!!!!!!" This continued until my partner took out a vial, which she told me was ketamine. She led me by hand to the microwave where she cut the top of the vial and cooked the contents on a plate in the microwave. She told me we must watch it cook until it crystalizes. She scraped up the crystals and we proceeded to the bedroom to go to a k-hole.

When I returned back to Cali a few days later, I went on pill reports to try to find out what the hell I had ingested. There was a pill(Id 37972) on Pillreports.com for Asia (in Manila) called Canadians and the report was similar to mine, though not that detailed. Many comments to this report with warnings were posted saying that the pill were known to contain PMA. Good thing I only took that "half"!
 
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Re: PMA-First Time-Hallucinogenic Amphetamine

kevthizz said:
I hope this will debunk or shed some light on a chemical with a bad rep that few have experienced themselves.

The "bad rep" PMA has is because PMA kills. Simple. I would consider you a lucky individual to have pulled through unscathed. Others have not been so lucky. Had you taken a whole pill I think your report may have been dramatically different. This isn't the place to discuss this, so I will leave it at that.... but a good report nonetheless, great detail!

Be safe.
 
I, personally, have no interest in PMA, but if I ever did try it, I would certainly not take a pill containing an unknown amount of PMA.
 
i thought PMA was made my mistake, with people trying to make MDMA. or an unwanted byproduct. it's not intentional, i'd hope.
 
PMA is greatky easier for a clandestine chemist to synthesize, I think, possible the bad reputation of PMA could be explained by the common substitution and use as MDA or MDMA combined with the fact that it IS more toxic, requiring a vastly smaller doseage to get effects.

I quite wish to try it myself, it sounds like it could be another valuable drug when used carefully in the correct dosage.
 
shakawkaw said:
Why do people make PMA and sell them as MDMA,
and put a deadly dose in 1 pill?

I don't really think they do... The problem is with all the e-tards taking 6 pills or more in one night. If people would just take one pill, they would probably be alright, even if it turns out to be something other than MDMA (might be a little upset, but would live anyway).

I don't claim to be an expert on the PMA deaths, but something tells me they were probably the result of the e-tards taking more pills when the first one didn't end up feeling like ecstasy. (DUH! If the first one didn't feel right, why would more change that?)
 
The drug kills because it is sold as ecstacy as people have said and you need less to get effects.It is made and sold as ecstacy i think because its easier and cheaper. I think pma can be a quite enjoyable high if its taken properly. I think what causes people to die and OD on this substance is 1: they take too many and it has not much room for error and 2: people are not in a controlled environment. homeo-stasis is what keeps the body at a constant level eg. heat, fluid and blood pressure, and i think pma blocks the bodies ability to keep you in homeostasis.
Im no expert on this subject these are just my opinions and what ive been led to believe.
Good report by the way
 
wow

Everybody on the forum seemed to answer eachothers questions well before I could. I'll just clear a few things up:
  • I don't condone the use of PMA or advise it(I unknowingly ingested it thinking I was getting MDMA, I know of the dangers of PMA)
  • PMA is not made accidently, it is intentionally made from a different set of precursors than MDMA(Which are easier and cheaper to get,making production cheaper)
  • Thanks to all that commented, I tried my best for my first post/trip report. I hope it is of value to somebody.
 
Yeah - I had a PMA pill (Pink Mitsubishi) for my first roll.

I must say that it was one of the most intense hallucinogenic experiences I've ever had, blowing away ~95% of all trips I've ever had and I'm known to take high doses.

The fact of the matter is, I would have died had I not been smart and only consumed half that pill. My temperature quickly went from 99.5 - my normal - to 104.2, peaking at 106. Luckily, I was with friends who (while they were too afraid to call an ambulance) took care of me until the fever broke.

I can't even imagine what would have happened had I listened to my friends when they told me "you don't roll off a half pill, even your first time, you have to take the whole thing."

*rolls eyes*

Yeah, PMA isn't something I would ever touch again, at any dose.

I will say this though, it is certainly euphoric, hallucinogenic and tactile. But is not empathic or "fun" worrying that the next minute could be your last.


BTW, even people who have died from PMA may still have a fever hours later, just something to think about.
 
I'm not even vaguely inclined to go anywhere near PMA, but just clarify this for me. You didn't say that you tested your pill, and you only ate half a pill that you were given, she told you it was MDMA, you tasted it and noted it's bitter taste akin to MDMA, so how do you know you had PMA?

It's like the times when nobody's tested their pills, and they argue for fucking hours about whether it's MDMA or MDA, (cause their hallucinations are so fucking trippy y0) and with different strokes for different folks, if you ain't tested it, you don't know.

/end tangent rant :X
 
actually

I was told it was 'e', to me meaning ecstasy(MDMA). But I mean in a third world country they call every pill sold on the street with a stamp on it e. I have no idea what was actually in that pill since it wasn't tested to my knowledge. I can only go from other ppls reports in Manila. Experiences were usually, "yeah this is different, one of a kind, not a roll but a trip, its prolly got acid in it..." Then some more ppl claimed that particular brand, which came out in many colors same stamp were known to contain PMA.
On my own part(i lost count), I have taken MDMA, MDA, MDE. When my experience started I knew it was something else. I mean on MDA and high dose MDMA I have had "visuals", but with this particular pill I had intense hallucinations. BTW I didn't worry during my trip, I just rolled with it;)
 
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Thanks for clarifying and editing your report. I am dubious about assuming that any pill you have is exactly the same as one from Pill reports, even if it is at the same time in the same location....I personally don't like guessing and hoping.

Still, everyone's different :)
 
Hi, I'm from the Philippines, I heard from friends that those pills you mention(canadians) have acid in them although I'm not too sure about that. They all definitely agree that it's not PMA though.
 
i think it was not pma. he said he already felt it after 30 minutes but pma kicks after 60 to 90 minutes. guess it was mda,2c-x
 
Ummm... yeah, and MDMA can take anywhere from 10 minutes to an hour and a half to hit.

Don't speculate based on how long it took to kick in. There is definitely such a thing as individual chemistry. 8(
 
hmmm...

aidz said:
Hi, I'm from the Philippines, I heard from friends that those pills you mention(canadians) have acid in them although I'm not too sure about that. They all definitely agree that it's not PMA though.

Yeah alot of ppl think it has acid in it, even "Lordseph" from Dirty South Alabang Manila. Honestly, the "party ppl" I met in the Philippines were quite uninformed. The person who I got the pill from told me the pill consisted of E, Heroin, and Acid. Though it has been argued that ppl don't put Heroin or Acid in pills. I can only honestly tell you that I did alot of research to determine what the hell it was that I took. So what do ppl pass off as E that is not a MDx chemical, PMA. The pill was about 2 to 3 times the size of what anybody would consider a hit/dose, a common characteristic of PMA pills. Research for yourself, don't go by what ppl say or hearsay.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Acid not in pills?

I'm sorry but you're definitely mistaken on that one.

see here for more info

Oh yeah I am mistaken.

let me rephrase, acid(LSD) in pills is not common, with exceptions like microdots...
of all the pills i've taken, none of them contained LSD. i wonder if some trend is coming, with pills containing some sort of RC or other psychedelic.
 
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Microdots are not pills, microdots are microdots. It is assumed that whenever someone says "pills" they are using a slang term for what they bought as ecstasy (MDMA) in pill form, as opposed to powder.
 
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