Pink Cocaine - can I get a rewind..

[axe battler]

Fairly respected plugs selling this £600 a z. Hilarious considering an oz of pure mdma or ket would be around half that. Personally think anyone buying or selling this is a complete dipshit. Sorry state of affairs when big dnm vendors are offering products under fake names that nobody knows what's in it.

Jesus yeah that's a lorra lorra lolly for some non specific pink bash. All the rage in Peru. I'd give it a go but only if someone offered me a line for nowt, but only if they'd tried it first.
mdma and ket is a nice combo, but it's better to have them separately and take the mdma first, then key to wind down with. Don't get why mixing them together would make it better, in fact I think it spoils them both a bit.

 

[AlsoTapered]

It would be interesting to see if ANYONE is paying £600/oz.

I PRESUME that either the buyer tries it or has someone else try it.

So I'm assuming that their is SOMETHING active in there and (R) ketamine is cocaine-like and is 'waste' in the older routes to esketamine.

But it must take some pretty desperate people to sell such shite. I don't think ANYONE has studied the effects of (R) ketamine so who knows if it's more or less toxic?

 

[elgoucho9]

All the lab tests i've seen just say mdma and ketamine. No certainty to what ratio or strength. The guys selling it are just making it up themselves from crystal mdma and k, mixed with innositol and pink food colouring in my opinion.

I came to this conclusion as the same people look to be selling 5+ kg cocaine per fortnight. 10+ kg mdma etc. Which surely to god nobody at that level is buying in "pink cocaine", to sell. Just a combination of products they have themselves plus filler surely.

I imagine at £600 it has to be at least 50% active ingredients. Which is still a killing for the supplier cos its like them selling a half oz of mdma for £600. By the look and conistency of the pink rocks i am thinking it must be at least 50% filler ingredients, as obviously both ket and mdma are crystals in varying forms. Whereas the said merchandise has the look/consistency of old school pink champagne speed.

It became popular in Peru/South America, probably because MDMA and ket are not so consistently available in such pure and cheap form as they are here in the UK. Then the craze starts Vice writes an article and you have divvys here in the UK thinking it's all the rage now lol.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

It would be interesting to see if ANYONE is paying £600/oz.

I PRESUME that either the buyer tries it or has someone else try it.

So I'm assuming that their is SOMETHING active in there and (R) ketamine is cocaine-like and is 'waste' in the older routes to esketamine.

But it must take some pretty desperate people to sell such shite. I don't think ANYONE has studied the effects of (R) ketamine so who knows if it's more or less toxic?

I could have sworn I've seen at least one or two papers on arketamine

Edit:

Intravenous arketamine for treatment-resistant depression: open-label pilot study - European Archives of Psychiatry and Clinical Neuroscience

We aimed to analyze the efficacy and safety of arketamine, the R(−)-enantiomer of ketamine, for treatment-resistant depression (TRD) in humans. Open-label pilot trial, seven subjects with TRD received a single intravenous infusion of arketamine (0.5 mg/kg); primary outcome was change in...

link.springer.com

 

[elgoucho9]

It would be interesting to see if ANYONE is paying £600/oz.

I PRESUME that either the buyer tries it or has someone else try it.

So I'm assuming that their is SOMETHING active in there and (R) ketamine is cocaine-like and is 'waste' in the older routes to esketamine.

But it must take some pretty desperate people to sell such shite. I don't think ANYONE has studied the effects of (R) ketamine so who knows if it's more or less toxic?

I think it's possible because most of the ket in the UK seems to be s isomer and has been for a while imo.

 

[AlsoTapered]

There are chiral routes that produce enantiopure esketamine BUT they are significantly more complex. Ketamine is used in such quantities that all of the major producers had already set up dedicated production lines for producing racemic ketamine and I think it's still cheaper for them to keep the production line and simply resolve esketamine as as simple extra step.

IF that is the case, that would leave a LOT of 'waste' (R) ketamine.

MANY years ago a BLer had some ketamine resolved and some of us tried (R) ketamine. It was considered to be very similar to cocaine.

I have always wondered if MXE is racemic. AFAIK it was never produced at the same scales and so it MIGHT have been cheaper to make it via an enantiopure route. My experience of MXE was that it was MUCH more potent than K.

And of course my hobby horse is that someone spent an entire patent on the 2-chloro-5-methoxy derivative of ketamine. It was a US company but they only obtained a GB patent. Now patents are costly and usually cover MANY related novel compounds but for whatever reason they got a patent on just 1.

Generally their are only 2 related reasons for doing this. One is that the fewer compounds covered, the easier it is to PROVE in court that it's your invention, the other is that you find something VERY special and want to ensure nobody beats you to patenting a compound.

Either way, the patent suggests that it's x3 more potent than ketamine (the racemate that is) and that alone would make it a much cheaper drug.

 

[Youknowwhatitis]

All the lab tests i've seen just say mdma and ketamine. No certainty to what ratio or strength. The guys selling it are just making it up themselves from crystal mdma and k, mixed with innositol and pink food colouring in my opinion.

I came to this conclusion as the same people look to be selling 5+ kg cocaine per fortnight. 10+ kg mdma etc. Which surely to god nobody at that level is buying in "pink cocaine", to sell. Just a combination of products they have themselves plus filler surely.

I imagine at £600 it has to be at least 50% active ingredients. Which is still a killing for the supplier cos its like them selling a half oz of mdma for £600. By the look and conistency of the pink rocks i am thinking it must be at least 50% filler ingredients, as obviously both ket and mdma are crystals in varying forms. Whereas the said merchandise has the look/consistency of old school pink champagne speed.

It became popular in Peru/South America, probably because MDMA and ket are not so consistently available in such pure and cheap form as they are here in the UK. Then the craze starts Vice writes an article and you have divvys here in the UK thinking it's all the rage now lol.

Well of course, when we were talking cocaine and someone over heard us we were talking about the color it comes up from putting drops on it. There was also pink disco balls in the basement room so it looked like it had a tiny of pink but not a pink powder. Usually Columbia and Bolivia cocaine came up blue and Peru’s came up pink when you do an eye dropper test. You can tell how pure cocaine is just by looking at it, it is a white powder but it’s brighter or shinier than starch or flour or it all just sticks to its self. It also absorbs water if left out in humid air as an hcl salt. Freebase doesn’t. Cocaine is a fancy looking powder.

It comes up a different color because they use a different solvent for the extraction of final purification in the labs, like Peru uses ethyl ether or something else, and the other ones use like potassium permaganate and like heptane.

 

[elgoucho9]

Well of course, when we were talking cocaine and someone over heard us we were talking about the color it comes up from putting drops on it. There was also pink disco balls in the basement room so it looked like it had a tiny of pink but not a pink powder. Usually Columbia and Bolivia cocaine came up blue and Peru’s came up pink when you do an eye dropper test. You can tell how pure cocaine is just by looking at it, it is a white powder but it’s brighter or shinier than starch or flour or it all just sticks to its self. It also absorbs water if left out in humid air as an hcl salt. Freebase doesn’t. Cocaine is a fancy looking powder.

It comes up a different color because they use a different solvent for the extraction of final purification in the labs, like Peru uses ethyl ether or something else, and the other ones use like potassium permaganate and like heptane.

Pink cocaine of the 80s was supposedly due to an ether extraction. Anything pink now is this pink tuci. Which is a thing with confirmed lab tests hence why i mentioned it.

Anyone who usee cocaine in the 80s say nothing like that nothings even on the market nowadays or even since those times.

Lol at 'you can tell how pure cocaine is just by looking at it'. You are speaking to someone who spent 250k+ on it with an addiction that spanned over a long period of time. Alot of the coke i spent the money on was lab tested from the netherlands, spain, uk vendors. This statement is complete rubbish what you are talking. You can't tell fuck all about the purity by looking at it. I have also had lab tested stuff at 71% that felt better than stuff that was supposedly 91% etc. It is nowhere near as black and white as you make out. Peruvian coke to this day is still better than Colombian coke. Bolivian can be a hit or a miss. Ofcourse alot of the time it is the leaves or paste that is produced in one country then purified in another too.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

. You can tell how pure cocaine is just by looking at it, it is a white powder but it’s brighter or shinier than starch or flour or it all just sticks to its self.

You most definitely cannot tell how pure coke is by sight alone, it's impossible. It always amazes me when people state the opposite with such authority. I had on/off access to 80% plus with no actve cuts (occasionally 90% plus) for a long time. I was never in the game, but was close to it (not anymore thankfully).

Some was shiney. some was dull as chalk. Some was powder, some was rocks. Some needed a hotplate, some did not. All different textures, tastes and smells too (although most high quality I have tried had very little smell, some had plenty)

 

[AlsoTapered]

Pure cocaine hydrochloride forms monoclinic crystals but it's possible that impurities mean that the non-perpendicular axis forms a different shape. After all, pure cocaine hydrochloride is so 'shiny' because it forms a multitude of tiny prisms that absorb no visible light.

Is it accident that pink and blue are at the opposite ends of the visible light spectrum (and that range is about a factor of two)?

I have seen medical cocaine and can confirm that it is pure white. It was only a small sample but we (the class) all looked at it through a microscope and the lecturer carried out various experiments to demonstrate it's physical characteristics.

I believe that MTBE (methyl tert-butyl ether) has replaced diethyl ether. Since MTBE is used to increase the octane rating of unleaded gasoline, it does have a massive commercial use and so would be difficult to spot diversion to cocaine production. I understand cocaine is dissolved in MTBE and isopropanol is slowly added with product coming out of solution first.

Ethyl Acetate sounds a much simpler and indeed safer option but I don't think it allows the fine-tuning ether does. I'm sure the product is still very pure.

After all, law enforcement doesn't consider 1Kg of 71% cocaine to be 710g of cocaine - if their is a Kg of powder containing cocaine... that's 1Kg OF cocaine to them.

OT did anyone else catch the news:

Crew arrested after yacht in Atlantic intercepted with £96m worth of cocaine

Scottish skipper among those held in international operation targeting alleged trafficking gang, with further arrests in Marbella

www.theguardian.com

£96 million (1200Kg) of cocaine.

Many people don't believe me when I point out that in Europe (at least), cocaine ia a VASTLY bigger business than heroin. US readers don't seem to know that cocaine is socially acceptable in many places. As a US reader put it 'like the US in the 70s'.H has never been socially acceptable.

 

[JackARoe]

Pink cocaine of the 80s was supposedly due to an ether extraction. Anything pink now is this pink tuci. Which is a thing with confirmed lab tests hence why i mentioned it.

Interesting, I for sure had the pink Peruvian of the early 80's. It was top notch, but living in Houston Tx at that time a lot of the top notch stuff came in the port before it got stepped on and before it shipped world wide. Most of the cocaine we got was good. Most nice and white rocks. One time I got some from someone other than my guy and it got me wired and shaky. The good coke just feels like a mood lift if you keep it light. Saying that too much of any cocaine will have a person wired.

As an aside my guy that I got from in Houston was the top Rodeo star in Texas. He had a lot of money, a cadillac, and some connection that got him large amounts of the good cocaine. We owned gas stations back then. My brother and I would just be recovering from a blow night and this guy would come into our gas station, tell us he has the good goods and we not need any money now. Talk about tempting. But we always caved. Would spot us an eighth.

As far as tusi that is a bad trend to go down. We need genuine, quality, and as listed drugs. Tusi (or tuci whatever it is) sounds like it is for people that do not know drugs.

 

[elgoucho9]

Interesting, I for sure had the pink Peruvian of the early 80's. It was top notch, but living in Houston Tx at that time a lot of the top notch stuff came in the port before it got stepped on and before it shipped world wide. Most of the cocaine we got was good. Most nice and white rocks. One time I got some from someone other than my guy and it got me wired and shaky. The good coke just feels like a mood lift if you keep it light. Saying that too much of any cocaine will have a person wired.

As an aside my guy that I got from in Houston was the top Rodeo star in Texas. He had a lot of money, a cadillac, and some connection that got him large amounts of the good cocaine. We owned gas stations back then. My brother and I would just be recovering from a blow night and this guy would come into our gas station, tell us he has the good goods and we not need any money now. Talk about tempting. But we always caved. Would spot us an eighth.

As far as tusi that is a bad trend to go down. We need genuine, quality, and as listed drugs. Tusi (or tuci whatever it is) sounds like it is for people that do not know drugs.

Yeah i read LeJunk's posts about the Pink Cocaine of the 80's before. Seems it was all over your area in particular there.

Pure cocaine hydrochloride forms monoclinic crystals but it's possible that impurities mean that the non-perpendicular axis forms a different shape. After all, pure cocaine hydrochloride is so 'shiny' because it forms a multitude of tiny prisms that absorb no visible light.

Is it accident that pink and blue are at the opposite ends of the visible light spectrum (and that range is about a factor of two)?

I have seen medical cocaine and can confirm that it is pure white. It was only a small sample but we (the class) all looked at it through a microscope and the lecturer carried out various experiments to demonstrate it's physical characteristics.

I believe that MTBE (methyl tert-butyl ether) has replaced diethyl ether. Since MTBE is used to increase the octane rating of unleaded gasoline, it does have a massive commercial use and so would be difficult to spot diversion to cocaine production. I understand cocaine is dissolved in MTBE and isopropanol is slowly added with product coming out of solution first.

Ethyl Acetate sounds a much simpler and indeed safer option but I don't think it allows the fine-tuning ether does. I'm sure the product is still very pure.

After all, law enforcement doesn't consider 1Kg of 71% cocaine to be 710g of cocaine - if their is a Kg of powder containing cocaine... that's 1Kg OF cocaine to them.

OT did anyone else catch the news:

Crew arrested after yacht in Atlantic intercepted with £96m worth of cocaine

Scottish skipper among those held in international operation targeting alleged trafficking gang, with further arrests in Marbella

www.theguardian.com

£96 million (1200Kg) of cocaine.

Many people don't believe me when I point out that in Europe (at least), cocaine ia a VASTLY bigger business than heroin. US readers don't seem to know that cocaine is socially acceptable in many places. As a US reader put it 'like the US in the 70s'.H has never been socially acceptable.

Cocaine worldwide is much bigger business than heroin imo. You can have a junkie spend all of their money in 2 hours on cocaine. That doesn't really happen with heroin as it's not in the same league for compulsive redosing.

I read somewhere before the Kinahan cartel were involved in moving roughly 40kg of heroin per day through Ireland. I wonder what that number would be with cocaine. I'd estimate it's a hell of a lot more.

 

[AlsoTapered]

I read somewhere before the Kinahan cartel were involved in moving roughly 40kg of heroin per day through Ireland. I wonder what that number would be with cocaine. I'd estimate it's a hell of a lot more.

Well the size of seizures in Europe have now got truly massive. Tonnes are now seized in single operations multiple times a year.

The EMCDDA website is a fantastic resource for looking at trends in European drug consumption and last year a total of 155 tonnes was seized.

Because it's socially acceptable and indeed people are often happy to offer a line in the way they would buy a round of drinks means that it's very easy to get into a scene. Most people don't consider cocaine to be particularly harmful and don't appreciate the violence and exploitation associated with cocaine production and distribution.

Meanwhile, apart from codeine, the vast majority of people in Europe have never even been given an opioid medically.

I'm kind of surprised that clofenciclan isn't turning up as an active cut within cocaine. It's the only synthetic I know of that was specifically designed to be a cheap alternative to cocaine. If if DOES, I bet it turns up in fake crack (because it isn't a local anesthetic). Some local anesthetics are apparently much like cocaine but highly cardiotoxic...

 

[elgoucho9]

Well the size of seizures in Europe have now got truly massive. Tonnes are now seized in single operations multiple times a year.

The EMCDDA website is a fantastic resource for looking at trends in European drug consumption and last year a total of 155 tonnes was seized.

Because it's socially acceptable and indeed people are often happy to offer a line in the way they would buy a round of drinks means that it's very easy to get into a scene. Most people don't consider cocaine to be particularly harmful and don't appreciate the violence and exploitation associated with cocaine production and distribution.

Meanwhile, apart from codeine, the vast majority of people in Europe have never even been given an opioid medically.

I'm kind of surprised that clofenciclan isn't turning up as an active cut within cocaine. It's the only synthetic I know of that was specifically designed to be a cheap alternative to cocaine. If if DOES, I bet it turns up in fake crack (because it isn't a local anesthetic). Some local anesthetics are apparently much like cocaine but highly cardiotoxic...

Yeah the seizure records keep getting bigger and bigger too. I'm sure there was one shipment destined for the 'Super Cartel', of 20 tonnes of cocaine, on one ship, a year or two ago.

Where traditionally many of these big importation operations would have worked against each other, alot of them who operate in tbe ports like Antwerp and Rotterdam now work together. Often even paying the same one team of port workers to unload the shipment, then dividing it up from there etc.

Alot possess a certain skill. Like apparently the Italians were really the best at money laundering. Whereas the Moroccans were really smart at working the port workers without getting the shipment caught. They each specialised in a certain area and helped the others with this.

I do not know much about clofeniclan, but i am willing to bet already that statistically crack at consumer level is already alot more cut than cocaine at consumer level is. Due to the fact it delivers a more powerful high, and also addicts are alot more desperate, means dealers can adulterare it more. I have seen people smoking stuff i would consider barely had any actual cocaine in it, like it was going out of fashion.

 

[pharaoh]

Its probably been said but I thought it was just a mixture of ket, MDMA and any other shit that was leftover in some lab, hence it sometimes containing opioids or whatever. I read somewhere that it was just leftovers from some lab that were bashed together and sold as "tussi" and was big in Latin America, so probably cartel labs although I didn't think they were into ketamine much. Looks like a load of shit to me though. The Vice documentary was vaguely interesting, mostly just for seeing sexy Colombian women with big bums jiggling it. Or maybe that was something else I watched.

 

[Acid4Blood]

The Strawberry Tuci doin the the rounds here is a mix of cocaine, ketamine, MDMA, 2CB & pink food colouring!
Haven't tried or anything. Don't see the point. I like coke & ket. I like MDMA & 2CB. But all 4 drugs together at the same time wouldn't float my boat at all. It's just a South American fashion fad IMHO.

 

[Ismene2]

The stuff I got DEFINATELY had no coke, mdma,k or any other real drugs in it - seemed like some crap and very, very cheap legal high.

 

[neandertroll]

Well the size of seizures in Europe have now got truly massive. Tonnes are now seized in single operations multiple times a year.

The EMCDDA website is a fantastic resource for looking at trends in European drug consumption and last year a total of 155 tonnes was seized.

Because it's socially acceptable and indeed people are often happy to offer a line in the way they would buy a round of drinks means that it's very easy to get into a scene. Most people don't consider cocaine to be particularly harmful and don't appreciate the violence and exploitation associated with cocaine production and distribution.

Meanwhile, apart from codeine, the vast majority of people in Europe have never even been given an opioid medically.

I'm kind of surprised that clofenciclan isn't turning up as an active cut within cocaine. It's the only synthetic I know of that was specifically designed to be a cheap alternative to cocaine. If if DOES, I bet it turns up in fake crack (because it isn't a local anesthetic). Some local anesthetics are apparently much like cocaine but highly cardiotoxic...

It do get cut with cocaine and made in to crack , it's like the bash for gear, and it got stupid name I can't remember

 

[50shadesofDave]

There is a youtube on this powder. Apparently it has codeine/ket/speed/mdvp/+whst i've forgotten, called topici.
Several taken thier lives due to the lenghth of 'buzz'.
I'll try and find it.