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Misc phenibut for Gabapentin Withdrawal

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varimix

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Will this work?

Thoughts? Experiences? I know gabapentin works for phen withdrawal but gabapentin withdrwal has some weird feeling withdrawals. The irritability is almost worse than heavy phenibut withdrawal
 
Yes it should relieve most of your wd symptoms, there quite similar.


- Hopeless 7nos
 
It may help you through your gabapentin withdrawals but then won't you just be addicted to phenibut? Gabapentin withdrawals are horrible and depending on how long you have been using gabapentin it could take a while before you feel like you again. Phenibut would help the symptoms, it's just not without it's own consequences depending how you plan on dosing.
 
gabapentin w/d can last quite a long time and phenibut dependency tends to develop quite quickly. while it would relieve withdrawal symptoms I would not advise it as you'd just be left w/ a phenibut addiction and have to start all over again.
 
tightlywound said:
gabapentin w/d can last quite a long time and phenibut dependency tends to develop quite quickly. while it would relieve withdrawal symptoms I would not advise it as you'd just be left w/ a phenibut addiction and have to start all over again.
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I half agree. I would take the phenibut to stave off wd, but then start a taper regiment to get off of it, you'll eventually have to face wd, like everyone was saying, but if you taper down slowly, the transition to 0mg, will be a lot easier on you!


- Hopeless 7nos
 
Phenibut will help immensely. Everyone varies, but I find phenibut particularly enjoyable, moreso than gabapentin, so It would not be a solid WD tool for me. However for you it may work wonders as long as you can taper your dosage. Take only enough phenibut to feel stable, not high, not anything - just normal. Do not dose phenibut again until you are in withdrawal and again only enough to feel stable. Otherwise you tipped over one can of worms and jumped into another with a phenibut addiction. I've never been good at tapers. Its all or nothing for me. I envy those who can taper well. Good luck man.
 
Thanks for the replies. I'm not worried about phenibut addiction because phenibut withdrawal is always the same. Always lasts 5-7 days. Hardly any post acute wds even after getting off a 2 year habit of phenibut.As long as your not megadosing I'd say it's healthier and much easier to get off. Its also pretty easy to taper. I used to find phen more addicting but these days taking too much just makes Me tired and pervert horney so I'm not tempted to abuse.

Theres alot of garbage phenibut out there too. In 2006 around the beginning of phenibut bulk powder it felt of much better quality. Less side effects. Less drowsy. Now alot of the powders suck so I buy the Latvian tablets which feel better. China really fucked this drug up and has had people scratching there heads for years.

Gabapentin withdrawal is so unpredictable. Seems to last a solid two weeks and sometimes more for people. The anger and confusion can be enough to get a man fired from work. Anxiety herbs and other known helpful tools due Jack shit with the withdrawal. The stuff is just flat out weird. I'll be happy to be free from taking 3 doses a day. No more memory issues and gaba fog.

I ran out of insurance and have no way to get more due to living in Florida now so I'm forced into this situation.

I'll keep the phen doses to around 5-750mg.

That's another strange thing. I used to need around 1gram of phen to feel anything. Now any more than 750mg and I'm tired as shit. I guess its all for the best though.
 
Another plus to switching to phenibut is once a day dosing. While it is possible to do with gabapentin the effects last a little more than half the time of phenibut effects which go for a solid 24 hours.

So far so good. 500 mgs of phen calmed the anxiety and anger.

We will see what happens after a few days off the sporaric 300 mg doses I've been taking.

Another unknown of gabapentin is when the withdrawal starts. Sometimes u feel the anxiety 8 hours after a dose but sometimes withdrawals don't start until 2 days later. Phenibut withdrawal starts at 24-36 hours like clockwork.
 
Phenibut's half life is 5-6 hours just like pregablin and gabapentin. If you are taking it and want constant blood level for therapeutic effect, tid dosing every 6-8 is recommended.
 
Phenibut may have a 6 hour half life but therapeutic effects last up to 24 hours. I'm not sure why this happens but for whatever reason the effects must last after the drug is cleared
 
Only half of the drug would be clear in 6 hours.

>"I"m not sure why this happens"

It's because of the way the GABA B receptors work. The don't promote fast inhibitory responses like the GABA A receptor, but rather slow ones in response to GABA, which can take up to 240 minutes. (Which explains why drugs that act on it can take so long to have effect.) It's also the reason the effects can last so long - if some of the GABA B receptors don't start activating for six hours, well after half the drug is clear, then that explains the long duration.

I was talking about dosing regularly to maintain constant blood levels for therapeutic effect.
 
Oh ok yeah that makes sense to keep stable. That is how I'll dose until the gaba withdrawal ends and I can stable on one dose which I did in the past
 
So far phenibut is helpfulng with anxiety and a little bit with mood while still feeling weird and irritable. Clearly the two drugs have some similiar mechanisms but not enough to stop all discomfort.

Thinking back to.my last few gabapentin withdrawals I do remember it sucking but not being anything close to as bad as.I expected. Typically about a week after 3-4 days completely off the drug.

My memory already seems to be improving and I quit a heavy caffeine habit of around 450-500 mgs of caffeine a day.

I always use the natural calm magnesium which I've been told by a.health specialist is actually the best absorbable even though its.mag citrate which some.say is just for constipation.

Who knows how.bad id.feel without the phen and magnesium but I know it's never been more than a few weeks.
 
Chelated magnesium such as magnesium glycinate/magnesium lysinate is the most absorble not magnesium citrate. The health specialist is wrong.
 
This particukar one is good. Yes on paper glycinate may be but finding one that is sourced well and is what it says it Is takes time and study to find out where it's coming from...there's so much garbage labeled as something that innmjins sn't really it. I know the health guy. I know the work he's Done with the company in the past. So regardless if something is better on paper doesn't mean alot when supplements arnt regulated and there are alot of shady people selling garbage and absorption may not be the same with 3 of the same named supplements.

Take mulitivatimins for example. A lot of the top brands didn't contain what they said like Centrum and one a day....Source n aturals was one that contained what it said.. If i still had my computer id pull up the PDF study of vitamins but I dont.

Who knows though maybe he's wrong but he's actual coming from a verified place and not just saying this one.is best for no reason.
 
When did supplements become FDA approved? Your pretty naive if you think all supplements have what they say
 
The FDA requires them to contain what they say on the label. It's a fact. Do not call me naive. You are pretty ignorant if you don't know this. Get your information right. They just don't approve them for medical use. They regulate them. If they could contain anything, then they would be unregulated. That is simply untrue. They are considered food products. FOOD and Drug Administration.
 
FDA is not authorized to review dietary supplement products for safety and effectiveness before they are marketed. The manufacturers and distributors of dietary supplements are responsible for making sure their products are safe BEFORE they go to market.Jan 6, 2016
 
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