Ethnobotanicals Peyote vs Trichs vs Synthetic Mescaline

[Viraldrome]

Mescaline

Mescaline 90-95% Uncertain Match 5-10%

I got some very white powder sold as synthetic mescaline and got it FTIR mass spectrometer tested results above, my question is what do you think the five to ten percent uncertain match might be? If I'm eating 300 mg that's thirty mg of unknown. I am 99 percent sure it's not an extract based on appearance and lack of smell, it looks like an RC powder, but I was expecting one hundred percent, you can see pic of powder in thread i posted in other day about pills sold as mesc but I thought someone might see this here.

 

[MedicinalUser247]

Maybe your particular peruvianus powder is low mucilage. I've read plenty of reports from people who got terrible nausea and vomiting from tossing powder. Some say that it seems to expand massively once its in contact with water, which in practice can mean vomiting up large amounts of green goop. Eww! Of course often people are having to take 60+g this way to get off, and the quantity of powder surely matters too.

What kind of trips do you usually get? Do you get a lot of CEVs? OEVs? Auditory hallucinations? Have you ever taken more than 30 g? I see people often claim mescaline is not very visual, but I suspect most people saying that just aren't taking enough. Of course it's great to take in smaller amounts too. Low dose mescaline can be an excellent accompaniment to an art gallery or museum. I want to try going to the zoo on it some time.

It's not just about hallucinations, but it's about sensation as well.

 

[iom]

I have had 40 gr once of the same cactus. However that trip was the only mescaline trip I had that was a bit too strong and I was filled with anxiety. My wife was in Canada, her mother on her death bed and I was home just waiting on news. Like pacing. So again set and setting is important.

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Definitely set and setting! I've had anxiety on mescaline a few times, but I've never felt out of control, just unpleasant. I think your circumstances were highly conducive to anxiety, particularly with mescaline. Perhaps you might try 40 g again, under better circumstances?

All my other trips from 25-30 gr were magical. Mescaline has that uncanny way of making a regular moment magical. It also can feel like one moment sober and then next completely tripping. It is gentle. And I do get visuals. I have had visuals on one trip that were exactly like a hit of LSD. I would say mescaline is very visual if you lean into it. It can overtake me if I keep my eyes closed. A good cactus trip lasts me 12-14 hours. I can feel the afterglow for days though.

I think the CEVs are maybe stronger and more prominent at lower doses compared to OEVs. And they are quite impressive on their own. If you take enough though, you can get some simply amazing OEVs, very different from other psychedelics in my experience. It's everything you describe here except---a whole lot more of it. Of course a lot depends on how well your body gets along with the substance. The body energy can be quite strong. And of course, set and setting matter a lot. IMO it's best to be in nature or very close to it if you're taking a bigger dose or even a small dose for that matter.

You seem to have some good material. The material I recently required is weak. I estimate I need 75 g to get about the same results as you seem to get with 30 g. Also, the pachanoi I have seems a tad bit stronger than the peruvianus, but they are pretty close. I wonder if this weakness is typical in today's market conditions?

In any case, I'm working on more of a long-term solution to my supply problems, which in time should allow me to sample a lot of different tricho cacti genetics. I think growing these cacti is a very good idea because as psychedelics become more popular (including "microdosing"), the market quality is likely to continue to deteriorate.

It's not just about hallucinations, but it's about sensation as well.

Definitely not, but I'm trying to get a rough idea of what dose is involved. Even low dose trips have plenty in the way of sensation, stimulation, emotional opening, etc. When consuming plants which can vary a lot in potency, one typically doesn't know how much mescaline they are actually getting. They might assume that mescaline as a drug is not very visual when in fact, they simply consumed less mescaline than they thought they were getting.

My first two cactus trips were low doses and had very little visual activity. They were wonderful and enchanting. However, they were nothing like my third experience with a new and much stronger material in which the true character of mescaline was revealed to me. That trip came with significant visual and auditory effects and was simply incredible in all the other aspects. It was the most healing experience I'd had to that point.

 

[islander20]

Mescaline

Mescaline 90-95% Uncertain Match 5-10%

I got some very white powder sold as synthetic mescaline and got it FTIR mass spectrometer tested results above, my question is what do you think the five to ten percent uncertain match might be? If I'm eating 300 mg that's thirty mg of unknown. I am 99 percent sure it's not an extract based on appearance and lack of smell, it looks like an RC powder, but I was expecting one hundred percent, you can see pic of powder in thread i posted in other day about pills sold as mesc but I thought someone might see this here.

There is a lot of interpretation when looking at FTIR data, it really struggles with anything less than 10%. A different technician may have called it 100%, some of them seem to be grasping at straws if there is a slight variation in the results.

 

[cosmosmariner]

Agee with Didg. Dried peyote does not make me purge.

 

[Viraldrome]

I'm going to need way more than that for a dosage, barely noticeable. They gave army guinea pigs 300 mg dosages, im sure i'm fatter than them but still, I expected much stronger effects, my last LSD trip was over month ago. No meds. I dont have enough of this stuff to slowly titrate dose up so next time its going to be a big one I guess. Erowid says i can go up to 700 mg. this dose i took 369 mg was like a half gram of shrooms, i didnt feel sick either but the lab says its real so IDK, I have done endless tryptamines and lysergamides but only MDMA for phenethylamines, and that effects me normally.. I knew should have taken at least 400 like Aldous Huxley, hes a pussy ffs

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[Esperighanto]

The trips from those little mesc barrels only lasted about 6 to 8 hours. So it seem to be either as long as acid or shorter. However, I’m talking from 1978 to 1981. In fact that’s the last time I’ve heard of those little barrels. So the ones in 2000 could have been DOM. But the ones from years earlier, definitely did not seem like it.

DOM takes four hours to even be noticed, and lasts 12-16 more past that. I sure do wonder what these were

 

[Ismene2]

All of the "synthetic mescaline" I've had wasn't mescaline. It's some bullshit phen - definately not real mescaline.

 

[Ismene2]

DOM takes four hours to even be noticed, and lasts 12-16 more past that. I sure do wonder what these were

You might be able to feel it for 12 hours but you arn't tripping for 12 hours - same with LSD - the trip is 6-8 hours. The rest is the comedown.

 

[Esperighanto]

You might be able to feel it for 12 hours but you arn't tripping for 12 hours - same with LSD - the trip is 6-8 hours. The rest is the comedown.

I completely disagree with this, I took 18mg of DOM once and the comedown started about 32-36 hours after dosing, and it was done about 12 hours after that. It's highly dose dependent.

 

[Esperighanto]

All of the "synthetic mescaline" I've had wasn't mescaline. It's some bullshit phen - definately not real mescaline.

Also, have you ever tested any of these mystery "bullshit phens"? What did they reagent test as?

 

[Ismene2]

Also, have you ever tested any of these mystery "bullshit phens"? What did they reagent test as?

Why would I bother? I'm not interested in finding what bullshit is being sold as "synthetic mescaline" - I just don't buy it again.

I've had enough cactus to recognise mescaline and everything being sold as "synthetic mescaline" is absolutely nothing like mescaline.

 

[Ismene2]

I completely disagree with this, I took 18mg of DOM once and the comedown started about 32-36 hours after dosing, and it was done about 12 hours after that. It's highly dose dependent.

I've never taken 18mg.

But I've taken 500mg of LSD and the trip lasted the same time as a 150mic LSD trip. The comedown is just longer with a bigger dose - the tripping effects last the same amount of time. If you could make the good effects last longer by taking more I'dve worked up to massive doses by now.

 

[Esperighanto]

Why would I bother? I'm not interested in finding what bullshit is being sold as "synthetic mescaline" - I just don't buy it again.

I've had enough cactus to recognise mescaline and everything being sold as "synthetic mescaline" is absolutely nothing like mescaline.

I just trust reagent tests and labs with GC/MS more than an Internet rando's capacity to recognize things off vibe alone.

I've never taken 18mg.

But I've taken 500mg of LSD and the trip lasted the same time as a 150mic LSD trip. The comedown is just longer with a bigger dose - the tripping effects last the same amount of time. If you could make the good effects last longer by taking more I'dve worked up to massive doses by now.

500mg of LSD? Half a gram? You may be pushing a world record if so. I'm assuming you mean 500ug though, and if that's the case that's pretty fascinating, because I've found 500ug-1mg to still have me deep in the trip for 16-20 hours with maybe 8-10 hours after of residual stimulation. I have friends who metabolize things the way you do though.

 

[JackARoe]

DOM takes four hours to even be noticed, and lasts 12-16 more past that. I sure do wonder what these were

You know people use to say it was just a light dose of acid. But the shorter duration and genuine trip makes me think even back in the 70's and 80's some chemists played with lysergamides. It did not feel like LSD or mescaline. In fact even though only a few of us back then knew that genuine synthetic mescaline would not fit into a barrel, there were other people saying they won't take acid, just mesc. lol But it was a little shorter and slighly different. I remember taking a half of blotter of acid and thought this is nothing like those mesc barrels.

I would love to know what they were. They were very nice. But the only real mescaline I had was from cactus and that was completely different from the barrels as well as longer lasting.

 

[Esperighanto]

You know people use to say it was just a light dose of acid. But the shorter duration and genuine trip makes me think even back in the 70's and 80's some chemists played with lysergamides. It did not feel like LSD or mescaline. In fact even though only a few of us back then knew that genuine synthetic mescaline would not fit into a barrel, there were other people saying they won't take acid, just mesc. lol But it was a little shorter and slighly different. I remember taking a half of blotter of acid and thought this is nothing like those mesc barrels.

I would love to know what they were. They were very nice. But the only real mescaline I had was from cactus and that was completely different from the barrels as well as longer lasting.

This is really fascinating, what region was this in, and what color were the barrels? Were they all uniform in size/shape? If so, what would you compare the size/shape to?

Also do you recall anything about the tolerance formed, or come up time?

I find it fascinating to think you could've got anything from MiPLA to DOC.

 

[JackARoe]

This is really fascinating, what region was this in, and what color were the barrels? Were they all uniform in size/shape? If so, what would you compare the size/shape to?

Also do you recall anything about the tolerance formed, or come up time?

USA, NY/NJ. Light blue and purple mostly. Time period from my awareness 1977-1984. But anyone from that time period will remember "mesc". This was also when I could use a few days a week. Tolerance was on par with LSD. Come up time the same. Within the hour it kicked in, peaked at 1/1/2 - 2 hours.

Keep in mind it was sold as "mesc" because there really were people that did not want to do LSD but would take these, and mescaline was considered rare so it sold. But the trips spoke of themselves. I would do again in a heartbeat. It was also know to really trip harder you need two of them.

Hey who knows, maybe just talking about it someone with knowledge may pop in and know. But yeah, it was very common. and some people really thought it was mescaline. I myself was very book smart at that time.

 

[Esperighanto]

USA, NY/NJ. Light blue and purple mostly. Time period from my awareness 1977-1984. But anyone from that time period will remember "mesc". This was also when I could use a few days a week. Tolerance was on par with LSD. Come up time the same. Within the hour it kicked in, peaked at 1/1/2 - 2 hours.

Keep in mind it was sold as "mesc" because there really were people that did not want to do LSD but would take these, and mescaline was considered rare so it sold. But the trips spoke of themselves. I would do again in a heartbeat. It was also know to really trip harder you need two of them.

Hey who knows, maybe just talking about it someone with knowledge may pop in and know. But yeah, it was very common. and some people really thought it was mescaline. I myself was very book smart at that time.

I appreciate the info on this, it definitely sounds like it might've been LSD. There wasn't an incredibly diverse array of drugs available at that time but LSD was still being produced in pretty comically large amounts, at least as far as doses go (as opposed to weight). Mescaline is often touted as being the most misrepresented drug, I've seen PCP, decarbed THCA crystals, DOM, and also LSD sold as mescaline before.

The fact that some people believe LSD caused genetic damage and they likely, chemophobically, assumed a plant based product was safer, may will have led to dealers selling LSD as "mesc".

 

[Didgital]

I just trust reagent tests and labs with GC/MS more than an Internet rando's capacity to recognize things off vibe alone.

100%

In this case ismene doesn't know what they talking about. While its common for something else to be sold as mescaline, theres plenty of real mescaline around generally as the sulfate. It was also around a few years back from a very well known DN vendor out of Poland.

I do have access to a GC, and it truly is awesome to have on deck.

 

[Didgital]

This is really fascinating, what region was this in, and what color were the barrels? Were they all uniform in size/shape? If so, what would you compare the size/shape to?

Also do you recall anything about the tolerance formed, or come up time?

I find it fascinating to think you could've got anything from MiPLA to DOC.

The barrels I had were tiny, brown, circular. We called them microdots. They were wider than they were tall, maybe 3mm diameter 1.5mm tall approx. All very uniform.