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Drotacular

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So alot of my friends think they are very experienced and like to talk like they know everything. they are all conviced that permatripping happens to alot of people and its a high percentage threat when taking a pschedelic. when i think about a permatrip i dont believe that it could actaully happen. when a chemical of a drug runs out how would your brain/body still feel the effects? i have almost no experience on this subject and these assumptions are based on my personal opinion only. if somebody knows more information on the subject im very interested, like what kind of drugs could somebody take to induce a permatrip and what makes it happen? can it only happen to certain people or is everybody at risk? has anybody ever actually met an old man that is still messed up from those mushrooms he ate in his college dorm when he was 20? ive also heard about psychs inducing psychosis on a person, as in something in there brain chemically snaps and they stay in a "trip" because there brains chemical producing patterns are ruined. this seems more posible to me i would like some other peoples opinions on this subject
 
As a psychiatric worker, I can tell you that there are cases of "Permatrips". We only have a few patients who are lifers... and most are from PCP... but there is one from LSD here in the hospital I work in.

From my perspective, I see it as they probably were liable to break in the first place and then pushed a dose very high, causing a serious spiritual experience that left them unable to distinguish the things they experienced from what we know as "reality". I think they just became so convinced that they either snapped or just cant integrate the experience.

I do believe the chances of this happening are very low, or we'd see a lot more people out here... We do semi-frequently get patients who are under a temporary psychosis that is drug induced... but usually with anti-psychotics they are completely fine and come out of it.

I wish I could tell you more, but I've only recently started working here and am very interested in the subject myself. I'm sorry if I'm being fairly vague, but I cannot afford to risk my job by being more descriptive.
 
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As a psychiatric worker, I can tell you that there are cases of "Permatrips". We only have a few patients who are lifers... and most are from PCP... but there is one from LSD here in the hospital I work in.

From my perspective, I see it as they probably were liable to break in the first place and then pushed a dose very high, causing a serious spiritual experience that left them unable to distinguish the things they experienced from what we know as "reality". I think they just became so convinced that they either snapped or just cant integrate the experience.

I do believe the chances of this happening are very low, or we'd see a lot more people out here... We do semi-frequently get patients who are under a temporary psychosis that is drug induced... but usually with anti-psychotics they are completely fine and come out of it.

I wish I could tell you more, but I've only recently started working here and am very interested in the subject myself. I'm sorry if I'm being fairly vague, but I cannot afford to risk my job by being more descriptive.
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I agree fully.

I'm very interested in your job, sounds like something I'd really like to do one day. I understand you can't divulge too many personal details, but what qualifications did you need to be a worker?

Your explanation for this is very plausible, however I am also inclined to believe most people in such a state had pre-existing personality traits or psychological disorders which in turn were "triggered" by a peak experience - ie a high dose PCP exp.
 
do these people just act in a sort of burnt out way all the time? or is it more as if they are still on the drug? the idea taking a very high dose of a drug and getting so fucked up that you can no longer think distinguish reality from real life makes alot more sense to me then the idea of a permatrip. as if you just will never be comftorable in any real life situation because your constantly comparing life to whatever happened during your high. im also very curious about how these poeple think, do they know that they are "permatripping" or are they just off in there own little world?
 
My job is one of an entry level position... I had previous job experience so that's really how I got in the door... but I think it really only takes a HS diploma and being able to work with people who are mentally ill without thinking of them as sub-humans... talking to them and interacting with them as if you would anyone else... Just good people skills really... but like I said... medical field or working with mentally ill patients as prior experience is a great +.

One of the guys out here from PCP was in his senior year for pre-med... great student, decent looking, etc... He knows what causes his delusions... but he sometimes doesn't know that they are delusions... and he can become very violent because of them and is here for life because of it. :(

For the most part, a lot of them are off in their own world... They remember that they took a drug and shit basically got crazy... and for the most part, they aren't permanently in that state... but they go back to it often and a lot of them become violent or otherwise couldn't function in society. I almost think some of them are just severe PTSD cases and are having flashbacks mixed with predisposition to mental illness or maybe scarred childhoods where they react with violence if they feel uncomfortable.

I really don't know as much about this as I would like... but it's something I'm very interested in and I'm planning on going through their case files and talking to staff who have been here a while to find out more about these cases.
 
Any time. If any of you have any more questions, I don't mind answering them to the best of my ability... but I am in no way an expert on this material.

Feel free to send me a pm if necessary.. I check them pretty regularly. :)
 
Drotacular said:
do these people just act in a sort of burnt out way all the time? or is it more as if they are still on the drug? the idea taking a very high dose of a drug and getting so fucked up that you can no longer think distinguish reality from real life makes alot more sense to me then the idea of a permatrip. as if you just will never be comftorable in any real life situation because your constantly comparing life to whatever happened during your high. im also very curious about how these poeple think, do they know that they are "permatripping" or are they just off in there own little world?
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To be honest, the idea of "permatripping" is less likely than someone who drinks alcohol in excess for multiple decades and then becomes "permadrunk". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernicke-Korsakoff_syndrome

Some probably do know they are off in their own little world, others are probably completely unaware.

It's rather sad to think about this but I couldn't really tell you much more.
 
wow you have also answered alot of my questions on the topic. its good to hear from someone with first hand experiences rather than my friend new someone who new someone style stories.
 
people would wish to be permatripping i'm guessing, people have called me "perma-fried" that makes a little more sense then perma-tripping, since i have really bad short-term memory problems and flashbacks/hppd, and just because i think differently or too deeply on a simple thing they would say i've done "too many drugs" which isn't the case, there are permanent changes in my life and my way of thinking, but that came from my own subconscious coming out into my conscious by certain chemicals, not chemicals lingering in my system.
 
i've heard of flashbacks from bad trips (like when you experience the trip again later in life when you're not on anything) but never permatrips. sounds really interesting.
 
to avoid afore mentioned descriptions......just dont go into a house full of acid heads and have a drink of water......you might be on one for a week if you drank the wrong bottle ;) maybe 2 if it was dosed nicely. hehe
 
A good friend of mine, who is a frequent psychedelic user, ended up tripping for about a week and a half off of 4 hits of really strong acid. he'd done LSD maybe 5-6 times before and done mushrooms a lot. He described it not as a hard trip, but heavy HPPD and some weird thought patterns/anxiety. Hes fine now though
 
eye kant spehll said:
to avoid afore mentioned descriptions......just dont go into a house full of acid heads and have a drink of water......you might be on one for a week if you drank the wrong bottle ;) maybe 2 if it was dosed nicely. hehe
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do you speak from experience?

to the OP, what i remember from looking into LSD thumbprint experiences, the few people who have talked about their thumbprint experiences on the internet have said that to this day they still experience some mild acid trip like effects but are able to overcome these effects with meditation so that they are not bothered in their daily lives. i don't know if this is due to the high dose thumbprint or the fact that they used LSD so many times. it may even be that they have just developed some level of HPPD
 
any case of a "permatrip" in the true sense of the word would have to fall under HPPD, ie seeing visuals for LOONGGG periods of time after the drug has left your system. This could be caused by numerous things that people to this day still cant explain, but are researching thoroughly and hopefully one day we will have a concrete answer as to why this seems to happen to few people. But its legitamate nonetheless.

One idea is Long term potentiation of excitatory pathways in the visual cortex induced by chemicals, another is epigenetic coding changes induced by a drug, another is long term down regulation of 5-ht2 receptors on inhibitory neurons.

Theres research on it out there if you really want to read up on it.
 
One idea is Long term potentiation of excitatory pathways in the visual cortex induced by chemicals, another is epigenetic coding changes induced by a drug, another is long term down regulation of 5-ht2 receptors on inhibitory neurons.
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this is some really interesting shit these are the types of things i was wondering about. as in what really happens in the brain to induce these "permatrips". after reading up on these different situations it really opens up your mind to the possiblilities and endless things that can happen to a person because off taking drugs
 
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