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People who don't do drugs are missing out

bowdenta said:
im speaking specifically of people that have never tried drugs and still take it that they have the authority and knowledge to invalidate my claims - have you stopped using btw?
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let's make sure we're quite clear here.

if somebody's never tried drugs, then there's no way they can tell you that your drug-taking experience is somehow invalid (for want of a better word). we agree on this.

alasdair
 
clear as gin

and i think that FBI agent is just a microcosm of the argument within society in general and a pretty good example at that

but if you have no ability to say what life would be like had you never used drugs then you can only say there is a possibility that there is more to be gained through sobriety

while I can state with certainty that I gained more during my drug taking years than my non-drug taking years

so basically i think the verdict is that drugs when used properly serve a positive impact - and that you can gain more through drug usage

but

this cannot be made 100% sure beyond a shadow of a doubt because EVERYONE ON THIS WEBSITE IS A FUCKIN DRUG USER

I gotta shower and head to off to poly sci class where Ill prolly be on Bl anyway
 
Jimboach said:
No, there's plenty of ways to have a strong profound life changing experience but not in the context I am mentioning.

You point to that fact over and over again that not everyone is going to enjoy their experience and that is part of life. We all don't like what others do. Maybe they're experimenting with the wrong drugs, or the drugs are tampered with, or whatever, but the fact remains, there are experiences from drugs and drugs only that have brought all of us together in this internet community and despite how you want to deny it, it's an experience that is truly a missed beneficial opportunity.
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How is it a missed beneficial opportunity if you cannot be sure that the person is going to gain something from it?

I totally agree with you that there are experiences that you can have from drug use, profound, wonderful, spiritual experiences, there is not denying that at all. I've been there, and I hope to go out even further so to speak, to really test the boundries of my mind. All of this pertains to me, and my choice as an individual person.

No, there's plenty of ways to have a strong profound life changing experience but not in the context I am mentioning.
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Can you please clarify this statement for me. I don't want to jump the gun by misinterpreting what you have said.
 
I guess this all goes down to personal choice, preference and what have you. I'm not going to discuss this further because it's spitting into the wind.

I'm gonna try to get fucked up off of some carrots now and dwell moodily over my lack of cancer.
 
purplefirefly said:
How is it a missed beneficial opportunity if you cannot be sure that the person is going to gain something from it?
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i agree.

indeed, i'm obviously paraphrasing but it's this "drugs are great for me so they must be great for you (and if you disagree you're wrong)" attitude which causes me to respond.

alasdair
 
Flat out: you are missing out on a life experience by never taking LSD, MJ, MDMA, opium etc etc. There is no way you can say you do not miss out on the experience you do period. Now whether you consider the experience of value or not is a matter of personal opinion and not worth arguing over.

If I tell you my personal opinion is cabbage tastes horrible, are you gonna try to argue I am wrong?!? How can a matter of subjective taste be wrong?

And negative experiences also have value, addiction and withdrawal I think everyone should experience to some degree so they have an understanding of them.
 
garuda said:
Flat out: you are missing out on a life experience by never taking LSD, MJ, MDMA, opium etc etc. There is no way you can say you do not miss out on the experience you do period.
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welcome to yesterday...
garuda said:
Now whether you consider the experience of value or not is a matter of personal opinion and not worth arguing over.
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cool - then get out of the thread...

:)

alasdair
 
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alasdairm said:
very incisive. here, let me save us a little time:

you're wrong
i'm not wrong i just have a difference of opinion
you're wrong
i'm not wrong i just have a difference of opinion
you're wrong
i'm not wrong i just have a difference of opinion
you're wrong
i'm not wrong i just have a difference of opinion
you're wrong
i'm not wrong i just have a difference of opinion
you're wrong
i'm not wrong i just have a difference of opinion
you're wrong
i'm not wrong i just have a difference of opinion
you're wrong
i'm not wrong i just have a difference of opinion
you're wrong
i'm not wrong i just have a difference of opinion

where does that get us?

if the best you can do is a completely unqualified "you're wrong" you are adding nothing to the discussion and, honestly, it's pretty childish.

can you substantiate what you're saying? can you prove i'm wrong?

alasdair
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you misunderstood my sarcasm.
 
alasdairm said:
'properly'? define what you mean by that.
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harm minimilization
avoiding tolerance which leads to addiction
knowing where the line is and not crossing it
testing pills
common sense

or basically the opposite of improper drug usage which can be defined as usage which causes harm to the user
 
Jimboach said:
I guess this all goes down to personal choice, preference and what have you. I'm not going to discuss this further because it's spitting into the wind.

I'm gonna try to get fucked up off of some carrots now and dwell moodily over my lack of cancer.
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My assumption was that you were trying to say was that the drug experience is going to be "better" than an experience that you could have through sobriety, which is most definitely not always the case.

But if I am wrong in reading what you said, please correct me. :)

(This debate is awesome!!)
 
Even when i'm trying to agree to disagree, you are still arguing with me.

I'm saying that I think drugs are fun and everyone should try a variety even though many drugs may not agree with them as long as they practice in a safe way and do not abuse them

Some people do not want to even try them. It's just two different mentalities.
 
ok ill play devils advocate for the sake of debate

lets say that FBI agent i mentioned has terminal cancer and in great pain

is she better served by remaining drug free her entire life or is she better served by hittin the ganja and reduce her suffering
 
that's her decision, obviously.

while hypothetical examples are often useful to illustrate or expand on a certain point, they also can distract from the substantive discussion.

i understand you're using this example to try to prove your point but for every fictional fbi agent you can come up with to make your point, somebody esle can easily create another fiction to disprove it. i don't think it's that helpful (in this case).

that said, i'll take the bait.

she might be better served physically by smoking the pot to ease her pain. she might be better served spiritually by remaining drug free and enduring some discomfort. whatever her decision, i think she's the one who gets to decide the definition of "better served".

alasdair
 
a medical standpoint - what does that mean?

she's entirely free to decide not to ease her own suffering. people refuse medical help all the time.

again, i think she's the one who gets to decide the definition of "better served".

alasdair
 
OMG five pages and i can't take any more!!

sorry ali, but your pedantry is infuriating sometimes. go and take some acid, i think you need to give your logic chip a holiday. :|
 
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