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People who don't do drugs are missing out

To horribly paraphrase Shulgin in a most mutilated fashion...

...the psychedelic experience isn't contained within a drug, but within the unpredictable interaction between body, mind and chemical.

There are no guarantees that the finely-balanced interaction will be positive or beneficial, any more so than an anti-coagulant drug would reduce Patient X's cholesterol level.

With no guarantees, it's difficult to criticise the decision of (partial) sobriety. For some people, that interaction just won't work out. And in those people, the decision to indulge in chems is probably a mistake.
 
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That is all I have been trying to say all along!!

*sighs*

Jimboach:

I don't think I am being hippocritical. It would make me a far less advocate of harm reduction if I did think that people who don't want to do drugs are missing out. No maybe they aren't going to have the same exact experiences in life that I did, but do you think that drugs are the only way to have strong profound life changing experience?
 
yeah, so did others. *bangs head on desk* your blatant inability to read thouroughly, then misstate others is nauseating. this is why i was snippy before, and yet you are still repeating it.

me said:
didn't say it was childsplay, didn't say it was for everyone. didn't say those with health issues should explore it, and i didn't say everyone would have the same experience. said i pity people who haven't had the same experiences as some of us do
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then tried to clear up your misunderstanding again.

me again said:
i never said everyone should experiment with mind altering and consciousness expanding drugs. and i never said it works for everyone. don't put words in my mouth, it kind of pisses me off.
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oh look, again! talking to you...

me said:
not to mention, you are backpedaling. it was already mentioned quite a few posts ago that it isn't for everyone. a casual post such as it was in a thread in a drug forum is a far cry from me saying everyone should dose up. i would think that would be quite obvious.
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srsly.

get off my internet. :p

oh sweet the smilies work again! =D

perhaps firefly we can meet for a drink one day to see if we are this catty in person 8o
 
DarthMom said:
yeah, so did others. *bangs head on desk* your blatant inability to read thouroughly, then misstate others is nauseating. this is why i was snippy before, and yet you are still repeating it.


then tried to clear up your misunderstanding again.



oh look, again! talking to you...



srsly.

get off my internet. :p

oh sweet the smilies work again! =D

perhaps firefly we can meet for a drink one day to see if we are this catty in person 8o
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Seriously, why are you so fucking rude? I'm absolutely NOT being catty....you on the other hand have taken everything I said and ripped it apart in a completely childish manner.

Do you really not have anything better to do? 8(
 
euphoricnod said:
Nah sharpezor I'm not gonna beat you up... in fact I'm going to be the bigger person and just ignore the fact that you're being a rude asshole.. I'll let it go cause I'm nice like that.

However, if you EVER step out of line I'll make sure that you do regret it.

Have a good night.

Obviously you don't realize the full power of my modstick.
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you started it and i dont give to shits about your "mod stick"
 
delta_9 said:
Well, when you say "missing out", your clearly talking about a positive experience, something beneficial. I really doubt you think their "missing out" on bad trips and addiction/withdrawl.
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Of course not, but thats the rub, not the norm. Airplanes crash and I think people are missing out if they don't ride on a plane.

alasdairm said:
with an another perspective, one could just as easily write: i don't think they really are neglecting themselves a worthwhile experience by not experimenting. this isn't to say, abusing drugs but simply attaining an awareness that comes only from sobriety.

right? wrong? good? bad?
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So are you stating that? Is that your stance? If so, what validates that anymore than my opinion? That's the point, nobody here is offering FACT. I feel like people who don't are missing out. You don't. Fine. We don't both have to chocolate is the best flavor of icecream either. Its not a right or wrong discussion, its a viewpoint.

alasdairm said:
thence, anyone who hasn't done everything (i.e. everyone) is missing out on something...
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EXACTLY!! So you concede that people who do not take the opportunity to explore drugs is missing out. Glad we finally worked that out.

purplefirefly said:
....you on the other hand have taken everything I said and ripped it apart in a completely childish manner
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I'm pretty sure the phrases she's broken down into complete detail are her own words, not yours, she's doing so in an effort to clarify a point she's been saying all along that you have said she is doing otherwise.
 
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So calling me an anti-drug nazi is very grown up I suppse? Or telling me to STFU??

When did I ever say "darthmom said everyone and their brother should do drugs"??

Oh wait...that's right, I never said that!!! I only disagreed with her statement that she pities people who don't use drugs.

You guys are completely attacking me because I don't think that someone who chooses not to do drugs is somehow inherently missing out and that I don't think they should necessasarily should be pitied.

I guess you guys are having issues with reading as well.

Tough crowd in here. 8(
 
nope, the problem was misstating what i said, not what your opinion is. i had no problem with alasdairs opinion and his was the same as yours. stop martyring yourself noone is out to get you.


i don't know about you, but i am getting bored with this topic. can we be done now? thanks.

oh and i didn't start with the immaturity, you did. *sticks out tongue* and now i am taking my toys and going home.
 
My Higher Self said:
EXACTLY!! So you concede that people who do not take the opportunity to explore drugs is missing out. Glad we finally worked that out.
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we obviously have a difference of opinion which is to be expected - i'm fine with that. the condescending tone, sadly, devalues a lot of what you're writing.

i took a step back from this and thought about it and the statement "people who don't do drugs are missing out" is, in reflection true. but in isolation it's a pretty meaningless statement and, again on reflection, i was rather more focused on the intent behind the post (about which, i will admit, i must have made assumptions. never a good thing).

that said, in the spirit of the op, the following are also true, right?

people who don't eat carrots are missing out
people who don't visit belgium are missing out
people who don't pilot the space shuttle are missing out
people who don't wear prada are missing out
people who don't speak spanish are missing out
people who don't go fishing are missing out
people who don't watch movies are missing out
people who don't listen to the beatles are missing out
etc.

from there, the following must also be true, right?

people who don't have cancer are missing out
people who don't have aids are missing out
people who don't believe in god are missing out

indeed, it's rather a self-evident statement to say: people who don't do x are missing out where x=anything

of course they are - they are 'missing out' on x.

so why bother pointing it out at all? well, i think it's a fair assumption that the reason the op bothered to post it at all is that s/he believes that when x=drugs, 'missing out' is a 'bad' thing (for want of a better word). and that's what caused me to sympathise with purplefirefly's position and view the post for what it looks like to me - simple snobbery.

so i agree that they're missing out but i totally disagree with the implication that it's necessarily a bad thing or a poor choice or something to be pitied. or whatever.

regards

alasdair
 
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i do believe they're missing out on a (different) kind of experience.

although..
i rather see some people not do drugs.
just because their personality may change.
or
they aren't capable of handling the experience.
 
alasdairm said:
we obviously have a difference of opinion which is to be expected - i'm fine with that. the condescending tone, sadly, devalues a lot of what you're writing.

i took a step back from this and thought about it and the statement "people who don't do drugs are missing out" is, in reflection true. but in isolation it's a pretty meaningless statement and, again on reflection, i was rather more focused on the intent behind the post (about which, i will admit, i must have made assumptions. never a good thing).

that said, in the spirit of the op, the following are also true, right?

people who don't eat carrots are missing out
people who don't visit belgium are missing out
people who don't pilot the space shuttle are missing out
people who don't wear prada are missing out
people who don't speak spanish are missing out
people who don't go fishing are missing out
people who don't watch movies are missing out
people who don't listen to the beatles are missing out
etc.

from there, the following must also be true, right?

people who don't have cancer are missing out
people who don't have aids are missing out
people who don't believe in god are missing out

indeed, it's rather a self-evident statement to say: people who don't do x are missing out where x=anything

of course they are - they are 'missing out' on x.

so why bother pointing it out at all? well, i think it's a fair assumption that the reason the op bothered to post it at all is that s/he believes that when x=drugs, 'missing out' is a 'bad' thing (for want of a better word). and that's what caused me to sympathise with purplefirefly's position and view the post for what it looks like to me - simple snobbery.

so i agree that they're missing out but i totally disagree with the implication that it's necessarily a bad thing or a poor choice or something to be pitied. or whatever.

regards

alasdair
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All well said, and I agree with you on all points. I think even as disagreeing as we have been, it goes to say that we are obviously referring in any manner, to positive/good/happy experiences, as opposed to those that are not. I mean, the whole thing obviously loses merit when you are talking about something like cancer, as while I am sure its a very life altering experience, its not typically the kind of thing you wish on other people.

Anyway....the whole snob thing is really what set me off in the first place, and sent me down this maniacle path full of sarcasm and vehemence.

I went back and reread my first post, and I suppose for someone who is looking for a a bit of an arguement, might take my first couple of sentences out of context when not properly included in the whole of my statement, and come to the conclusion that somehow I'm better than everyone. I don't think I came across as superior at all, especially when the whole paragraph is taken into account as a whole. In fact, my whole focus was sharing and expanding a positive experience with other people, I thought it was atleast somewhat clear, I apologize if it wasn't.

Additionally, I've felt sorry for many people in my lifetime, but that is remotely close in anyway, to feeling superior to them.
 
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