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Cream Gravy? said:
You mean isopropylphenidate yeah? Just curious. I was rooting around in my stash looking for opioids to continue my addiction and I found a vial with a gram of large isopropylphenidate crystals I must have received as a sample. The only stims I've ever tried are amps, caffeine, and 4-FA, so I can't even compare to MPH.
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If you haven't tried it yet, I recommend that you read the recommended dosing info. A dose is tiny.

I kind of like the effects and have been adding them here and there for a few days.
 
simstim said:
1 of these blotters is enough for me right now. 3 was too much. Maybe I could do 3 again if I hadnt just woken up off a 3 day roll/stimulant binge.
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Every time I wonder if I’ve gone too far and question my sanity there is a comforting post from you to keep things in perspective.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
I wouldn't fuss about it man. Not all Russians are evil. I played Dying Light with a Russkie the other night and he was real friendly, spoke decent English.

Also, just source non-Russian vodka? Here in the U.S. we have an amazing brand called Tito's, it's made in Austin. Best neutral spirits I've ever had. I use it for all my extracts/flavored vodka mixes. Got some strawberries soaking in a jar of it as we speak.
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Oh absolutely. Just glad I got to sprout ethanol-fueled sentimental nonsense again after an eternity of abstinence!

Though hangovers linger on on keto apparently, my god.. makes sense since I think glucose is needed to break down ethanol, and the glucose ethanol provides itself isn't quite enough for any chain reaction to take place.

It's an easier life, only having ACHs as outlet, anyway. The craving for the taste of a nice beer have been gone since. Might wanna give sobriety another half a year, and then live on dissociatives only. Maybe I can wedge microdosing psychedelics in again at some point, but I'm happy I've been able to recover this much this quick. Devoured 100mg DMXE, couple of 15-20mg O-PCE shots to keep the allnighter going, all with minimal tinnitus. Would want absolute silence back of course, but I've already got more than I've been begging the skies for, heh.
 
I have had some amount of tinnitis ever since I can remember. I probably have never had it that bad though because it's never bothered me. It can become pretty extreme on dissociatives sometimes especially but sometimes it resolves into music and stuff. Which is cool. I have it more than I used to now because I'm in a band and we play loud music and it has surely damaged my hearing to some extent. I can't wear earplugs because then I can't hear myself sing.
 
I mean like the sharp ringing will start to sound like music in my head. Of course on dissos and psychedelics, everything starts to sound like music to me, especially background noises.
 
I've only been to one concert that made my ears ring for days afterwards.

It was GWAR!!
 
Well, I don't typically play while I'm on dissociatives, lol. I often hear some amount of tinnitis but I am rarely really conscious of it. And if any music is playing or anything I can't notice it at all. I would say that the fact that background noises turn into music for me is probably very closely related to my playing, though. I think it's related to the music that is always going on in my head if I pay attention to it. So I guess yeah, it does have an effect on my playig, but only in the sense that that music is what I try to express when I'm playing music.

I remember as a kid, I would mow the lawn as one of my chores. The lawnmower drone would reliably turn into some of the coolest music. Sometimes it would be church organ music. Sometimes it would be prog rock. Or anything else. It was as real and convincing as if a recording of music was playing, except it was never any music I'd ever heard before.
 
Well earlier I was thinking about cleaning out the pipe I normally use for crystal because I had used it for 4-ACO-DMT previously.

I don't have a lighter so I was using the gas stove to heat the bowl and it started smoking. I hit it and wow!

I hit it again and I couldn't even see! I almost fell on the floor but I grabbed the wall and then went down on my knees.

I know we're not supposed to vaporize fumarate salts, but vaping 4-ACO-DMT is nice. Intense!!

I recommend being seated for doing this. For real!
 
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Xorkoth said:
I remember as a kid, I would mow the lawn as one of my chores. The lawnmower drone would reliably turn into some of the coolest music. Sometimes it would be church organ music. Sometimes it would be prog rock. Or anything else. It was as real and convincing as if a recording of music was playing, except it was never any music I'd ever heard before.
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I think that as creative people, we tend to experience more instances of perceptual phenomena like synesthesia and pareidolia. Some of my earliest natural "trips" were things like spacing out in front of a waterfall.

I have must have a million silly pictures of things that look like "things" (cloud sheep...) to me.
 
Holy SHIT I just got so much more high than I expected to. Did some MXE I got gifted. Same dose as another time but this time I basically fell into a hole while staring at my computer screen, no idea why it was so much stronger. That was wild. Whoa. That came out of nowhere. And that's all I have to say about that... at this time. Geez
 
bowloclock said:
never done it or really looked into it much but my friends who have compare it to psychs. Any truth to that, how is it?
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It does similar things on paper. Both psychedelics and dissociatives facilitate imagination. However, they do so in very different ways and the actual feeling is very different, beyond what is readily described.

The key subjective difference for me is that dissociatives remove fear. In this regard, they are comforting drugs just like alcohol, opioids and benzos. Dissociatives thus are more habit-forming and addictive (they're also more toxic generally), but they are more psychologically forgiving as far as deeply mind-altering substances go. Due to the dissociation and fearless state, darker murkier themes are likely to emerge and one might feel comfortable lingering on painful issues. For me, psychedelics are more universal and cosmically life-affirming while dissociatives are more prone to personal explorations and the revisiting of memories - but both classes can do both these things.

Looking at the extreme ends of effect, dissociatives tend toward stupor while psychedelics tend toward hyper-alertness. One can tell they are vastly different despite having similar uses, and this is an interesting thing about our biochemistry.
 
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Great synopsis, I pretty much totally agree.

Psychedelics and dissociatives are both mind-manifesting and profoundly change the way you perceive the world and yourself. Dissociatives are much more inwardly focused and highly prone to delusion. They can be great fun though. In some people they tend to lead to becoming manic, especially with chronic usage, and can produce massive changes in behavior. Not everyone is like that, though.

I prefer psychedelics but like them both. Psychedelics are much more truly useful in terms of understanding yourself and the world and consciousness and actually bringing something useful back from it.
 
There was some interesting research a decade or so ago about how the delusional thinking from dissociatives often persists beyond the point where you feel altered. That's certainly been something I've noticed sometimes in my experiences.

Some dissos make me feel like I've moved into a clean, tranquil world, one free of pain and the burden of emotions. They don't feel at all emotionless at the time, but I feel their return almost like a physical pain. I could see myself becoming addicted to that clean, clear freedom from the burdens of embodied, material existence.

I was part of a research study that asked research chemical users to describe the experiences they had on different materials. I found it easy to express in rich and intricate detail how various stimulants, psychedelics, entactogens, etc. made me feel. When I got to dissos, my narratives became muddled and didn't do a good job of evoking the experience at all. The interviewer laughed and said that the same thing happened with all the other participants when they tried to describe them. It's just hard to bring stuff back and integrate it.

That said, I know several people that have had life changing experiences on them. Most have been with DXM, but I had one friend that was able to use the emotional distance of 3-MeO-PCP to impartially look at her history of abuse and learned to show herself the compassion that she would show anyone else that had been through the same.
 
Dissociatives are interesting. I have had some really profoundly magical times with MXE and its analogues which felt like true connection to someone else on a soul level, and once on MXiPr, I spontaneously had a therapy session with my girlfriend that truly moved us into healing from a the time after my cat died when she was watching her and I was detoxing in a cabin, it was extremely necessary and I truly felt guided through it, it happened perfectly and I almost felt that I was just watching myself be moved by something, I can't deny how profound it was for me. But I have also seen the side of building up a world around yourself that isn't real. There is a strong delusional component to dissociatives but there is also something there of value. It can be a murky line. I find they're best used from time to time, when you start using them chronically it seems that is when it can get ugly.

I cant seem to write trip reports about dissociatives very often, like I can with psychedelics. The experience doesn't lend itself to words very well for me. Though some, like @Nervewing , seem to be able to do a great job of bringing it into words.
 
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