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Nice, I‘m dropping 80mg 2C-N in an hour too.
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Xorkoth
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Awesome! yeah it's been 2 weeks since my last psychedelic, which was 60mg of 2C-N. It's a beautiful day, and I'm in a good mood. Seems like a good time for it.
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I have a new found respect for the power of LSD. I was really thinking i could take lots of it and have a strong enough ego to stay in control of the experience - get high, have fun, maybe get some psychological benefits and emotional calibration. I’d casually drop 300 ug with zero regard for set and setting and just handle whatever eventuated.
But I see now because I was running those trips so close together they were mostly kinda half-assed downtuned experiences. The last two times when my brain was already totally fried from stim use and sleep deprivation I experienced the biggest mind-fuck of my life on 200 ug and 300 ug.
Not a ‘bad trip’ in the usual sense but almost unbearably intense. At one point I was totally lost just 2 streets from my house and almost asked a stranger to help get me home - but I feared I was unable to speak or that the stranger might really be lamp post or a tree.
I would really hesitate before trippjng again now, I would defintely only take 1 tab, and only if I had a stock of benzos handy.
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Hi, yes I read that. I would have shared a thought there too, but I'm in a rut and not seeing straight.
But I felt that you might notice more personal growth from this one.
I have experienced living with a deep apprehension to dosing Acid at times. Even after decades.
I don't have that now. I didn't like that. I feel I have pretty fully hacked it.
I've had countless bad trips, but none have scarred or left me once bitten twice shy. Oddly.
Now there's no way I would drop acid right now, or any week soon.
I would be scared of that. But not at all the LSD itself, fully rational.
Until my infections and nerves are well under control, it will only cause me excruciating discomfort for 30-40 hours any dose, and a week of my actual nerves being way more sensitive.
I do respect LSD. I've never actually looked at it lightly. It appears I set bad example. That's people assuming, misunderstanding.
I respect all doses. But I have really no fear of the drug itself. I have shown myself the near limitless potential my own mind has to handle anything where it is still possible to exercise mind over matter.
I only need a fine body and I'm kind of immune to losing handle of any trip.
But yes. I'm not going against what you describe. This happens, it's never a sure bet.
I'm just nuts though, like I've thrown myself so far into the deep end so many times, as if it's a military simulation with such mental steel. Conditioning training in a sense.
The most benefit came always from humbling myself, wiping my current hardrive, reinventing myself slightly.
Always so melancholy and unsettling. Beyond comfort zone.
I'm so glad I repeated this becoming childlike again experience so many times.
I would kind of lose my tongue a bit, then every time my language, speech skills would be easier neater more natural and refined.
Keeping that communication has been my focus and anchor. I kind of installed endless pschological and emotional firewalls, having sabotaged my own speech ability age 23 with Neurosis from gross MDMA abuse, it became a life work to ensure speaking remains as secure easy and intuitive as any activity we easily perform, until I die.
LSD has been the most powerful tool here. I completed my work on this particularly very well.
Maybe this also helped keep me so secure and grounded in myself too.
ecstacylover
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On a weird little combo tonight. Took somewhere around 10mg HHC, 10mg D8-THC, 10mg CBG, and then 17mg sublingual 2C-B.
I've been taking the CBG everyday and I think it's the most fascinating of them all as it's a very potent alpha2 agonist. Alpha2 signaling promotes the top-down behaviors that are typically associated with the prefrontal cortex. These are desirable behaviors, things such as working memory, planning, attention, and stress control, and loss of this top-down drive is associated with disorders such as schizophrenia and PTSD. Alpha2 agonists have been clinically trialed for various disorders and guanfacine is even approved for ADHD.
Normally the problem I have with cannabinoids is that while they increase creativity, they also produce a lot of brain fog, in particular there seems to be working memory disruption which makes it more difficult to follow creative lines of thought to completion. HHC seems to be no exception to this, and I find it quite stoning. It's a suitable replacement for D9-THC and I think I actually prefer it. Remarkably the CBG seems to ameliorate much of HHCs brain fog while preserving much of the creative and spontaneous thought it produces, which ends up being a state that could actually be a net positive for serious thinking.
I've been taking the CBG everyday and I think it's the most fascinating of them all as it's a very potent alpha2 agonist. Alpha2 signaling promotes the top-down behaviors that are typically associated with the prefrontal cortex. These are desirable behaviors, things such as working memory, planning, attention, and stress control, and loss of this top-down drive is associated with disorders such as schizophrenia and PTSD. Alpha2 agonists have been clinically trialed for various disorders and guanfacine is even approved for ADHD.
Normally the problem I have with cannabinoids is that while they increase creativity, they also produce a lot of brain fog, in particular there seems to be working memory disruption which makes it more difficult to follow creative lines of thought to completion. HHC seems to be no exception to this, and I find it quite stoning. It's a suitable replacement for D9-THC and I think I actually prefer it. Remarkably the CBG seems to ameliorate much of HHCs brain fog while preserving much of the creative and spontaneous thought it produces, which ends up being a state that could actually be a net positive for serious thinking.
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Interesting about CBG. I have some, but haven't used it too much yet. I really like CBN, as I find it to be a very good sleep aid, it doesn't get you high, but it is certainly active and pretty potent, even.
You tried delta-10 THC yet? I recently got some and I really like it, I think I like it even better than delta-8. It's like the sativa to delta-8's indica (I have always preferred the sativa-style high).
You tried delta-10 THC yet? I recently got some and I really like it, I think I like it even better than delta-8. It's like the sativa to delta-8's indica (I have always preferred the sativa-style high).
ecstacylover
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Had some pretty bad muscle cramping last night in my foot which I'm apt to blame on the combination of the HHC/D8/2C-B, as both cannabis and psychedelics tends to gives me quite a bit of muscle tension. Cannabis in particular just makes me feel straight up frail sometimes, which is really weird because it seems to be somatically relaxing for most people. Phenibut eliminates almost all of the body load from both psychedelics and cannabis for me, but I didn't have phenibut last night.
At one point I started having some quite anxious thoughts, mostly related to the muscle tension and hyper-awareness of vascular systems. This is where cannabis generally becomes a problem as it rapidly amplifies any sort of anxiety for me, and I hadn't had any phenibut which mostly prevents anxiety for me. There was this whole entire panic narrative that was playing out in my head, but I was able to step back and analyze it objectively and basically decided that it wasn't a narrative worth believing. This stopped the emotional and bodily components of the stress response in their tracks, and this I attribute to the alpha2 agonism.
More and more I'm starting to realize how important of a factor stress is in precipitating negative drug experiences. I can't really say I've ever had a terrible experience on psychedelics, but the few times where it was unpleasant was mostly due to the presence of significant stressors and/or a perceived lack of control over the situation. It's quite fascinating that even our beliefs about the degree of control we have in a stressful situation are a determining factor in whether the situation is harmful or beneficial, see for example this study. Amy Arnsten (my favorite neuroscientist
) has a a very accessible review explaining why alpha2 signaling is so important in all of this.
First time I've heard anything about D10-THC, but that does sound nice as I prefer the sativa as well.
At one point I started having some quite anxious thoughts, mostly related to the muscle tension and hyper-awareness of vascular systems. This is where cannabis generally becomes a problem as it rapidly amplifies any sort of anxiety for me, and I hadn't had any phenibut which mostly prevents anxiety for me. There was this whole entire panic narrative that was playing out in my head, but I was able to step back and analyze it objectively and basically decided that it wasn't a narrative worth believing. This stopped the emotional and bodily components of the stress response in their tracks, and this I attribute to the alpha2 agonism.
More and more I'm starting to realize how important of a factor stress is in precipitating negative drug experiences. I can't really say I've ever had a terrible experience on psychedelics, but the few times where it was unpleasant was mostly due to the presence of significant stressors and/or a perceived lack of control over the situation. It's quite fascinating that even our beliefs about the degree of control we have in a stressful situation are a determining factor in whether the situation is harmful or beneficial, see for example this study. Amy Arnsten (my favorite neuroscientist
) has a a very accessible review explaining why alpha2 signaling is so important in all of this.I have some CBN but I haven't tried that one yet. Didn't you say somewhere that CBN in combination with THC-O and CBG was quite effective for pain relief? Is there a specific ratio you've found most effective?
First time I've heard anything about D10-THC, but that does sound nice as I prefer the sativa as well.
ecstacylover
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I also was thinking about why chronic stress makes you so apt to become depressed, and it totally makes sense because norepinephrine produces this 'fight-or-flight' response, which is in turn amplified by cortisol. And well if you need to fight, then it makes sense to attach a negative valence to everything in your surrounding environment, and similarly if you need to flight. It seems that chronic stress hijacks our emotional systems and attributes negatives valence to objects (whether they be spatial or cognitive), despite the fact that they aren't actually dangerous. This onslaught of negative emotions could probably even eventually damage brain structures, as you can see in studies that lifetime adversity correlates with reduced grey matter in brain structures involved in emotional regulation.
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Yep. Stress simply fucks us up.
It needs managing somehow.
It takes almost the biggest toll eventuall ironically.
But we have a remarkable innate capacity to ride though it.
PTSD can result if stress level persists too high too long not enough reprieve.
I have mega PTSD atm. It happens.
But it's reversible ofc.
Now I never fret about this (not rejecting it) brain effects of stress.
Because I have seen how the consciousness rules. The mind, belief, imagination.
Regeneration occurs.
It's all life. The mind is the incredible factor. Keeping spirit is underrated IMO for it's remarkable life sustaining impacts and results.
Not endulging fears. Focus. Believe. Create.
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Yeah that was me. Not an exact ratio, but what I do is pack a bowl of CBD flower, and put some CBN isolate on top of it (like 15-20mg) and a small bit of THC-O, I would guess 5mg, basically what sticks to the fat end of one of those tiny ~2mg blue scoops you get from vendors such as the one you probably get phenibut from. Then I smoke the bowl. I get just a bit high, and it totally eliminates (temporarily) sciatica pain, which I get periodically and which can be bad enough to temporarily make my life shitty.
Yeah it's more recent, it's another isomer, like delta-8 is. Same price as delta-8, and it looks the same, and is just a tiny bit less hard at room temperature. It's quite similar, but more energetic and lighter, and even less anxiety.
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I am working on writing my report on 130mg of 2C-N. It feels like a chore to write, but I feel obligated since it's such a rarity. It was a good experience too, usually I am itching to write about good experiences. For some reason I am just not really feeling like it though.
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I think the recognition that things are reversible and only temporary is important, no matter what you're dealing with. I'm really trying to maintain that mindset with my own issues.
Okay I need to try that combo. I'm not sure if it will help with my stomach pain but it's worth a shot. Phenibut is one of the things that helps the most but I've been trying to use it less often. D10 sounds neat I'll have to keep an eye out for that one.
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Interesting that phenibut helps your stomach pain. I would imagine it to be rough on the stomach due to its acidity.
D10 distillate is available in bulk at the online shop I get my other hemp noids from, for the same price as D8. It's like $1 per gram, insane how cheap they are. I got myself a lifetime supply for the cost of a couple bags of weed.
D10 distillate is available in bulk at the online shop I get my other hemp noids from, for the same price as D8. It's like $1 per gram, insane how cheap they are. I got myself a lifetime supply for the cost of a couple bags of weed.
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Not sure how I feel about discovering I can tolerate vodka again to some degree. It's useful for vitamin storage and administration I reckon, it's tasty after the year and some of drought, but it's also like.. Putin juice. Some psychological disentanglement needs to occur here for sure. I've heard about bilingual people dropping their Russian cuz Vladildo Stratego over there in the hall of shame. Gotta reclaim the molecule with the pristine sparkly scientific neutrality of I can make locally active otoprotective trip defense with this shit if I can figure out how to shove stuff up into ear holes in an appeasingly comfortably fashion..
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^ Sounds kinda messed up to "cancel" an entire culture just because a psychopath in power made damnable decisions. Like dropping a language because of politics ? Or vodka for that matter lol.
Yeah, surprising to me too, it usually gives me a little bit of acid reflux.
Yeah, surprising to me too, it usually gives me a little bit of acid reflux.
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Phenibut gives me really severe acid reflux and I'd assume it causes that problem for anyone, it is such an acidic drug. I can't even take the hydrochloride anymore and need to use the free amino acid, hold that under my tongue for 30mins and then spit the solution in my sink. If you think Phenibut is helping your stomach it is an illusion it's well documented on forums that it damages some people's stomach.
When I take the HCL literally one hour after swallowing it I'm in excruciating pain, I have acid reflux bad normally so I'm very sensitive to it. It sucks too cuz I really like the effects of Phenibut. I would really advise people to be careful with it and not use the stuff daily. But I would deff take the FAA again someday and spit it out, it's a very relaxing drug and makes me social and happy.
When I take the HCL literally one hour after swallowing it I'm in excruciating pain, I have acid reflux bad normally so I'm very sensitive to it. It sucks too cuz I really like the effects of Phenibut. I would really advise people to be careful with it and not use the stuff daily. But I would deff take the FAA again someday and spit it out, it's a very relaxing drug and makes me social and happy.
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ecstacylover
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I've been taking the FAA for awhile now. I've even snorted it a couple times and there was essentially no irritation.
My stomach issues are not subtle so it's pretty clear when something helps and phenibut helps a lot. Not really surprising imo considering that alpha2delta antagonists are prescribed for neuropathic pain and also inhibit muscle contraction.
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I wouldn't fuss about it man. Not all Russians are evil. I played Dying Light with a Russkie the other night and he was real friendly, spoke decent English.
Also, just source non-Russian vodka? Here in the U.S. we have an amazing brand called Tito's, it's made in Austin. Best neutral spirits I've ever had. I use it for all my extracts/flavored vodka mixes. Got some strawberries soaking in a jar of it as we speak.
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