☮ Social ☮ PD Social Tripping Thread: Tripping Past 2020

[Atomic_Decay]

^ Sounds kinda messed up to "cancel" an entire culture just because a psychopath in power made damnable decisions.

Initially I agreed with this thought, but in the last few days as the overwhelming and utterly depraved barbarity of the Russian soldiers has come to light it’s very difficult to not ask dark questions about the Russian soul or culture or character more generally.

Of course one can’t say “all Russians are X” any more than you could for Americans or Australians - yet for more than a century Western countries have abhorred, eradicated in themselves, and fought to destroy elsewhere such institutionalised barbarism. Bar a few isolated incidents like My Lai and possibly some incidents by Australian special forces in Afghanistan that will certainly be prosecuted, Western soldiers just don’t rape, pillage and murder as part of a total war strategy.

The Ukrainian President might have been right to lay blame on Russian mothers for raising such monsters on such a scale.

We have long tended to separate ‘nazis’ from ‘Germans’ - but the nazis never could have emerged from a different culture. Perhaps that is also true of the Russian army and Russian culture.

 

[Img_9999]

Even if I agreed with blaming an entire population of their state's geopolitics, which I don't , renouncing the cultural output of an entire nation just because of an ongoing tragic course of events is stupid for the same reason that "cancel culture" is stupid. Like what, are we gonna give up on using the periodic table and drinking vodka because they were both invented by Russians? Is now watching Tarkovski or reading Tolstoi the equivalent of being a war apologist? Seems like a silly way to deal with humanity to me.

 

[Atomic_Decay]

Even if I agreed with blaming an entire population of their state's geopolitics, which I don't , renouncing the cultural output of an entire nation just because of an ongoing tragic course of events is stupid for the same reason that "cancel culture" is stupid. Like what, are we gonna give up on using the periodic table and drinking vodka because they were both invented by Russians? Is now watching Tarkovski or reading Tolstoi the equivalent of being a war apologist? Seems like a silly way to deal with humanity to me.

I agree, though I wonder whether one needs to be careful lest one be so entranced by the beautiful aspects of a culture that one overlooks the ugliness upon which it might stand.

Russia is an interesting case because it has always had many great artists and writers who, sometimes clearly and sometimes subtly, described and rejected the culture surrounding them. Often they also suffered for doing so. A great deal would be lost to humanity in general were such artists be cancelled.

It’s different when an artist provides some kind of legitimacy to the evil in a culture though. I can’t off the top of my head think of any current Russian equivalents to, say, Albert Speer, Leni Riefenstahl or Martin Heidegger - but I think ignoring or cancelling people of the same ilk might be morally legitimate.

 

[simstim]

Really curious how you like that @simstim

I've wanted to experiment with that one, not alot of reports on it available.

I think 25e-NBOH is stronger than 25b-NBOH.

It was too much. I've been binging on stimulants for days so I was probably not in the best state to drop.

I ended up taking 30mg of olanzapine and falling asleep before I should've been down.

Solid psychedelic though.

Powerful.

 

[simstim]

That's the first time I've ever taken an antipsychotic to abort a trip so that's really saying something. 3x 25e-NBOH was comparable to 5x 25b-NBOH.

 

[Psychestim]

Phenibut gives me really severe acid reflux and I'd assume it causes that problem for anyone, it is such an acidic drug. I can't even take the hydrochloride anymore and need to use the free amino acid, hold that under my tongue for 30mins and then spit the solution in my sink.

You could mix the HCl with some sodium bicarbonate to neutralize it, that helps a lot imo. The only downside is that it doesn’t have that nice citrussy taste anymore, obviously

 

[Xorkoth]

Even if I agreed with blaming an entire population of their state's geopolitics, which I don't , renouncing the cultural output of an entire nation just because of an ongoing tragic course of events is stupid for the same reason that "cancel culture" is stupid. Like what, are we gonna give up on using the periodic table and drinking vodka because they were both invented by Russians? Is now watching Tarkovski or reading Tolstoi the equivalent of being a war apologist? Seems like a silly way to deal with humanity to me.

Fully agreed. In any war/conflict, you can't blame the population. The soldiers are following orders (and if the news is correct, sometimes are giving up and refusing to follow the orders), and all the rest of the people have as much to do with it as you and me. They either believe the propaganda from their government and think they're doing a good thing, or they think they're doing a bad thing. Their right to protest is being squashed. What do you expect them to do? It's the same shit as when America fucks shit up in pother parts of the world, when we fucked up Iraq under false pretenses so we could take their oil. Did you or I have anything to do with that? Should we be regarded differently than other people and assigned as bad people with poor character because of what our government did?

You want to blame someone, blame the people in charge of this stuff, like Putin. The people of any country are rarely involved with this sort of conflict at all, unless the fighting is at their doorstep or they're in the military.

 

[Xorkoth]

You could mix the HCl with some sodium bicarbonate to neutralize it, that helps a lot imo. The only downside is that it doesn’t have that nice citrussy taste anymore, obviously

Haha, yeah I don't mind the taste, I kinda like it. It's super sour, it tastes kind of like the sour powder on sour candy. Very sharp, but a great aftertaste that lingers.

 

[simstim]

Have any of you guys tried isopropylphenidate yet? It's way more potent than ethylphenidate.

If you try it READ the recommended doses. You do NOT want to over do it with this one. It's very potent.

It's not bad though.

I had about 22mg up the nose earlier and just redosed 18mg.

I probably won't redose again today. Too much DNRI is always very unpleasant.

 

[Img_9999]

I agree, though I wonder whether one needs to be careful lest one be so entranced by the beautiful aspects of a culture that one overlooks the ugliness upon which it might stand.

Ugliness is everywhere.... But beauty too, and I think ultimately that is what makes life on earth worth living, in spite of all the darkness.

Have any of you guys tried isopropylphenidate yet? It's way more potent than ethylphenidate.

If you try it READ the recommended doses. You do NOT want to over do it with this one. It's very potent.

It's not bad though.

I had about 22mg up the nose earlier and just redosed 18mg.

I probably won't redose again today. Too much DNRI is always very unpleasant.

I like isopropylphenidate, I find it kinda mild though ? Never thought of it as very potent. Never tried ethylpheidate, but from what I read I gathered it is supposed to be edgy and very stimulating. I find isopropylphenidate relatively transparent.

 

[Pfafffed]

Have any of you guys tried isopropylphenidate yet? It's way more potent than ethylphenidate.

If you try it READ the recommended doses. You do NOT want to over do it with this one. It's very potent.

It's not bad though.

I had about 22mg up the nose earlier and just redosed 18mg.

I probably won't redose again today. Too much DNRI is always very unpleasant.

It's okay. I liked it better at first. It's more functional than ethylphenidate for me, but it has a ceiling to its effects. I don't get that dopaminergic reinforcement that I do from ethylhenidate, which means it's less reinforcing but also worse at helping me focus on unrewarding tasks. IPPH lasts a fairly short time, an even shorter functional time, and gives me a comedown where I feel weird in a way I'm not great at describing. I'm about out of my sexond batch now, and I'm not going to get any more I don't think. I think I'm going to stick to amps and the admittedly rougher 4f-mph.

 

[simstim]

Ugliness is everywhere.... But beauty too, and I think ultimately that is what makes life on earth worth living, in spite of all the darkness.



I like isopropylphenidate, I find it kinda mild though ? Never thought of it as very potent. Never tried ethylpheidate, but from what I read I gathered it is supposed to be edgy and very stimulating. I find isopropylphenidate relatively transparent.

How far have you gone with dosing? The other day I snorted 25mg or so several times while also on 3-mmc and 6-apb and it was much too strong. Maybe the other stims are to blame? I've had 22mg, 18mg, and 21mg today and I'm not wanting for simulation.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah everyone seems to say it's mild. But with the other stims added, that will definitely change things.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

It’s different when an artist provides some kind of legitimacy to the evil in a culture though. I can’t off the top of my head think of any current Russian equivalents to, say, Albert Speer, Leni Riefenstahl or Martin Heidegger - but I think ignoring or cancelling people of the same ilk might be morally legitimate.

They're probably imprisoned if they exist lol * not lol *

 

[simstim]

So finished off my 6-APB tonight, took 1x 1.2mg 25e-NBOH blotter a few hours ago. Just did a bump of IPPH.

Watching LSDREAM RAVE CAVE

 

[simstim]

1 of these blotters is enough for me right now. 3 was too much. Maybe I could do 3 again if I hadnt just woken up off a 3 day roll/stimulant binge.

 

[simstim]

@Cosmic Charlie I tried 25e-NBOH for the second time last night and it was awesome.

I think it's more potent than 25b-NBOH.

3 REALLY handed me my ass the day before yesterday (to the point of taking 30mg of olanzapine and passing out). I had one tab last night and then another a few hours in.

Still tripping. Had a few tiny bumps of IPPH too. Seemed to bring me up in a good way.

I tripped through a gram of 2c-e mostly solo and for me 25e-NBOH beats it to death on all counts. It's more potent, more visual, more intense, smooth, and doesn't make me sweat and shake or projectile vomit like 2c-e did every single time. Even when I tried chasing 10mg off of foil.

 

[simstim]

A little IPPH (like 20mg intranasal) really seemed to be cool on 6-APB and on 25e-NBOH.

A little extra dopamine.

 

[simstim]

First time with 25e-NBOH I definitely recommend 1x 1.2mg hit and then see if you want more an hour in.

With all the NBOH I suggest holding the blotter and all saliva in your mouth for a half an hour before swallowing for the best trips. I time it. Usually I'm tripping already before the thirty minutes is up.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

A little IPPH

You mean isopropylphenidate yeah? Just curious. I was rooting around in my stash looking for opioids to continue my addiction and I found a vial with a gram of large isopropylphenidate crystals I must have received as a sample. The only stims I've ever tried are amps, caffeine, and 4-FA, so I can't even compare to MPH.