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[kidklmx]

The star-gazing thing makes huge sense to me. You know how in quantum mechanics a particle is in a wave-state when not observed? I've always grappled with how there could be an objective universe without an observer present. You could come to the conclusion that we are creating the universe as we discover it. So yeah, in a certain way, looking in to the stars is like looking in to your soul.

 

[pharmakos]

It merely exists as a field of possibilities before anyone sees it.

It's matter of cosmic storage space. It takes less data to store a formula than a fully populated database/matrix containing the location of every particle in existence.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yo PD. Just came here to gush real quick about how much fun it is to play instruments while swirlin' a little on my favorite tryptamines. I'm trying to learn a little guitar - owned one for years but never bothered to pick the thing up, and I'm really glad I finally did!! Can't wait to record the song I'm learning and share with you guys.

Hell yeah! My good friend and I have been doing fairly regular tryptamine jam sessions lately and we've been learning so much (plus when you play music together for 6-8 hours straight it's really great practice by any measure). It's so amazing for creativity and group mind sort of stuff. We've been consistently getting to this place where the music is telling a story we both agree on and we both just know what's supposed to come next, without speaking, simply by communicating musically.

It merely exists as a field of possibilities before anyone sees it.

It's matter of cosmic storage space. It takes less data to store a formula than a fully populated database/matrix containing the location of every particle in existence.

That's a really fascinating way to look at it.

 

[perpetualdawn]

It's matter of cosmic storage space. It takes less data to store a formula than a fully populated database/matrix containing the location of every particle in existence.

Yeah well put. I read a book by Max Tegmark where he said something along these lines, that good physics models are like potent compression algorithms because they describe reality with such a tiny amount of information. The pursuit of a Grand Unified Theory is the search for the ultimate compression algorithm.

One of his ideas is that at the deepest level the universe is mathematical in nature, because when you get down to a small enough scale there is no difference between the most fundamental particles and mathematical values. For example, a quark (or some deeper particle) will be described perfectly by a small set of values (eg. spin, charge etc).

Compelling ideas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Mathematical_Universe

 

[pharmakos]

I always kind of looked at it through a Nick Bostrom / "simulation theory" lens. I need to look up that Tegmark guy, sounds like he and I think alike (tho I'm sure he is way less of a lay man than I )

He thinks quantified math can describe everything, tho? While the idea is very compelling, I would be inclined to disagree... Mostly based upon my belief in Kurt Godel's Incompleteness Theorems.

Getting away from sciency stuff to feelsy stuff here, since I'm about to discuss the unprovable, but I feel like our life would be existentially cheapened if it was entirely quantifiable. Raw experience (in it's purest state, pure consciousness) seems to me to exist in analog. . Particularly when in a deep hole.

 

[perpetualdawn]

Tegmark is surely less a lay man than 99.99% of the planet's population, but he has a great way of describing his ideas to the lay man. His writing is quite good, with a light sense of humour and a pleasant sort of humility that comes through in his writing. Recommended!

I don't remember Kurt Godel's Incompleteness Theorems, but sounds familiar.

Experience could be simultaneously analog and quantifiable, because things don't have to be digital to be measurable. Also, I think no one disputes the heisenberg's uncertainty principle. So I see lots of room left for the "magic" even if the universe is made up of math at the bottom

 

[Solipsis]

So you would expect a Kurzweilian singularity to devalue life? Or are you thinking of the boredom Laplace's daemon would feel so to speak?

Funny you should mention Gödel, I've just embarked upon GEB! I wonder if reading it will be more salient on AL-LAD tomorrow %)

 

[pharmakos]

If you want something precisely measured it needs to be quantifiable, right? Like the difference between saying I have a 1/4 cup of sugar or saying I have 7.23x10^24 glucose molecules.

I actually disliked GEB. Hofstadter is really wordy, I prefer conciseness in my pop sci haha.

 

[Solipsis]

Measuring is helpful, but it is also distracting and demystifying if you take it too far in what otherwise would have been a magical experience.

Which is proof that 'dicksizing' leads to devaluation ;p

 

[IndieTrap]

The human brains such a weird thing, add a chemical to the system and the brain tells you body to feel a certain way! Always wondered if you could feel the effects of drug through hypnosis (probably sounds really dumb question) bjt what i mean.. the capacity to feel these highs is inside us, its already in your brain, chemicals just telling the brain to behave differently.. ah its really hard to put in to words what i mean, i must come across as a ramblin idiot!! For eg take some X & the brain starts flying through the serotonin, but could the brain do that naturally without introducing a substance?

 

[DragonFly31]

The human brains such a weird thing, add a chemical to the system and the brain tells you body to feel a certain way! Always wondered if you could feel the effects of drug through hypnosis

This is entirely possible: famous english showman Derren Brown shows this very thing off in the following link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js_unuMakWc

It's likely that you could trick the brain into feeling any drug you have already taken through hypnosis!!

The real question is: could you trick the brain into feeling a drug you have not taken? What would happen then?

 

[TheAppleCore]

What about music, TAC ?
Music is completely man made, and is one of the most magical things there are
Also, literature, paintings, poetry... The concept of beauty itself, and all the concepts we as a specie churn out of our minds and embed to the world to enchant it with the illusion of structure, giving shape to our experiencing of the natural world.

I suspected someone would bring up art. I agree, music and other forms of art can be very magical. But, I get bored after listening to a song more than a few times. On the other hand, no matter how many times I hear it, I will always love the soothing sound of fall foliage rustling and creaking in the wind, surrounding me in a glorious three-dimensional soundscape. I'll never look at a telescopic picture of a galaxy cluster and fail to feel a sense of awe at the massive scope of the universe. Etc.

Also, my favorite artists are those that employ the beauty of nature as the basis of their art. For example, my favorite music producer uses field recordings of everything from bustling cities to purring cats in a lot of his works.

Rationally, I'm partial to the argument that humans and their influence are every bit a part of nature as anything else. However, I can't deny that my emotions react differently.

It's this idea that keeps me going. The idea that I don't want to just take from this world anymore, but I want to give.

Yep, I feel the same way. Sometimes I sense a bit of skepticism when I explain this to people. Like, "yeah right... get off your high horse... you're just grinding away for your next paycheck like the rest of us". But I honestly feel driven by a desire to leave a positive mark on the world.

The star-gazing thing makes huge sense to me. You know how in quantum mechanics a particle is in a wave-state when not observed? I've always grappled with how there could be an objective universe without an observer present. You could come to the conclusion that we are creating the universe as we discover it. So yeah, in a certain way, looking in to the stars is like looking in to your soul.

It merely exists as a field of possibilities before anyone sees it.

It's matter of cosmic storage space. It takes less data to store a formula than a fully populated database/matrix containing the location of every particle in existence.

^ These posts remind me of the color of my thoughts on DXM trips.

Hell yeah! My good friend and I have been doing fairly regular tryptamine jam sessions lately and we've been learning so much (plus when you play music together for 6-8 hours straight it's really great practice by any measure). It's so amazing for creativity and group mind sort of stuff. We've been consistently getting to this place where the music is telling a story we both agree on and we both just know what's supposed to come next, without speaking, simply by communicating musically.

For now I'm just playing solo, but I'm looking forward to the opportunity to play in a group setting.

The human brains such a weird thing, add a chemical to the system and the brain tells you body to feel a certain way! Always wondered if you could feel the effects of drug through hypnosis (probably sounds really dumb question) bjt what i mean.. the capacity to feel these highs is inside us, its already in your brain, chemicals just telling the brain to behave differently.. ah its really hard to put in to words what i mean, i must come across as a ramblin idiot!! For eg take some X & the brain starts flying through the serotonin, but could the brain do that naturally without introducing a substance?

Well, as far as I understand it, the drugs are just activating and/or deactivating neurons that already exist. Those areas of your brain are all active throughout the day regardless of whether you take mind-altering drugs. So, rather than fundamentally changing the nature of your brain activity, drugs just tweak its parameters in various ways. To make an analogy with cooking, drugs don't create a new recipe for you; they simply change the balance of ingredients in your meal (a little less salt, a little more cayenne...).

 

[pharmakos]

^ These posts remind me of the color of my thoughts on DXM trips.

i was on 400mg of DXM powder when i posted that

ended up being a bad idea to dose so soon after finishing my chemo... my last dose of chemo was friday, ended up getting pretty sick from the DXM. even with my zofran and compazine.

oh well.

 

[Just A Guy]

Well, I know that I can experience a rush when I think about any of the times I used extravagant amounts of dopamine agonists intravenously, so I'd definitely say yes, hypnosis would work; trick the brain into releasing chemicals...

 

[yepyepwoah]

Dosed 100mg of low qual ephinedine. Few hours later about 7mg o pce.

That got me laid out on my bed feeling good wanting to trip. Just got some more DPT in, so I figured I would finosh off the ~90mg I had from a ehile back. That turned into wanting to take some MDMA with it. Argued with myself for a while until I saod fuck it.

Plugged like 50mg MXE and sat down to meditate and try and wrap my mind around whether I really want to take a bunch of drugs at 2-3am.

Got my mental/physical space as clear ad possible then ate 160mg MDMA. Kept meditating for another hour. Felt that slow build "roll" effect comming, after an hour went to my solution of 60mg dpt/60mg mxe to plug. Apparently decided to dump probably 120-160mg mdma into the mix and plug it all.

I had planned to dose the dpt/mxe, wait hour to hour and a half, then vial wash the rest of the dpt (30-50mg maybe), more mxe, and maybe more mdma and plug that. I got impatient because my natural tolerance to MDMA is high, and I always underdose and it sucks.

Anyway, that dpt/mxe/mdma dose had me flying. I love Mdma/dpt because no matter what happens I give no fucks. The scariest most perturbong shit could happen and I am just like "meh, maybe its true, maybe not, fuck it I aint skerred"

Dpt wore off after about an hour and a half. I went to redose what I had left, but forgot I had used almost all the Mdma allready. I spent like two hours, full on etarded, barely being able to see, looking for that MDMA bag. (I just found it today with maybe 50mg left of the 450 or so I had when I started).

Basically wasted half the trip/roll looking for something I knew I wouldnt find. Then the sun was really comming up. Realized I took the mdma allready, started comming down. Figured redosing a psychedelic would not be a good idea, so I went to sleep.

I do not really like mdma on its own anymore. It is fan fucking tastic combined with a disso and psych though. I would like to try a high dose of 2c e next time maybe. Or just more DPT. Probably 150-200mg DPT total. Maybe a touch more MDMA to start, 180mg oral. With a 90-120mg oral redose. Plugging mdma is super intense, but shorter lasting and not as much "roll" to it.

Also, I would like the mxe gods to make ot rain because this stash is getting slim.

Also, if I could stop feeling so fucking suicidal all the time it would be awesome.

 

[TheAppleCore]

i was on 400mg of DXM powder when i posted that

ended up being a bad idea to dose so soon after finishing my chemo... my last dose of chemo was friday, ended up getting pretty sick from the DXM. even with my zofran and compazine.

oh well.

Haha, I guess DXM affects us pretty similarly then!

Last dose of chemo? That must be a relief. %)

Well, I know that I can experience a rush when I think about any of the times I used extravagant amounts of dopamine agonists intravenously, so I'd definitely say yes, hypnosis would work; trick the brain into releasing chemicals...

When I start packing my bowl, sometimes I literally feel stoned even before taking a hit.

Also, if I could stop feeling so fucking suicidal all the time it would be awesome.

Yeah I know what you mean. I think it'll stop eventually. It's going to sound weird, but honestly I've started to appreciate certain aspects of depression. Even though it's obviously an overall unpleasant experience, recognizing that it has a silver lining makes it a little easier.

Feeling blue can give my behaviors a certain element of reckless abandon, which can end up leading to some really cool discoveries. If I'm depressed, then usually I stop bothering with "responsible" and "productive" things, and behave in a much more hedonistic way. I might end up deciding to spend all day messing around with a video game I never had time to play. Or I might just whimsically drop a hefty dose of some random psychedelic or dissociative, and end up having a really magical trip.

Also being sad is kind of relaxing. I find it difficult to be anxious and sad at the same time. When I'm sad, I feel like a useless sack of moldy garbage, so the threat of death doesn't really phase me.

 

[rbbohio]

I have no one else to talk to. So I'm writing this here. As a dad with a 3YO. I just set the font size to 18pt so that I could see what I'm typing. As a dad with a 3MO. I've been doing a lot of drugs lately, to cope with the fact that I hate my wife. I don't particularly enjoy my existence and I certainly would not wish it on anybody else. Smarter people would not end up in my position. Nevertheless, I love my kids. I'm stuck and I'm fucked and I'm lonely and I'm down even while I'm at the best moment of my life: fatherhood.

For those of you that don't have kids, I will say this: It can change you if you let it. A child can be made into a spiritual practice as much as any sacrament can and, oh boy, what a sacrament. Well, you can't know until you find out anyway.

But, it's hard to be all holy feeling when hatred spills out of you, much of your moments. The truth is I'm very angry, at my wife, and at myself, which is no fun. But I digress.

Anyway, I think that MXM+weed, once per week, is seriously nice from my peculiar position. Anything else is not doable for me right now. And, oh, how I've tried: 3-meo-pcp. 4-aco-dmt. mxe. eph. mxe. dpt.

No, all these things might do it for me at some other point in my life, but currently, they're impotent as fuck, regardless of dosage. For some reason 80mg of MXM + some good sativa weed, after everyone else has gone to bed, I find nice. It's brief, but it feels good.

So here's the plan:
M,T,W,T,F: Work 9-12, Meditate 30 minutes, Eat, Work 1-14h55
F-night: Whiskey
SA-night: MXM+weed
SU-night: Whiskey
Everything else is my family.
Repeat.

Currently reading The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide. Unsure whether I should take some ETH-LAD in November. Unsure where I am going with my life. Dedicating this to the ones I love.

This is a situation I know alot about, because of sister in law, and her opiate addiction, and horrible choices, all while, well in her case, not being a mother to 3 kids. You have it worked out well, and do it right as far as I am concerned. I would do same if I had kids. Make plans accordingly, when it is doable. You put family first. That makes it done right imo. Of course I have seen the exact opposite with my sister in law, and the choices she made, making her pain killers her absolute #1 priority, even if she had to steal, lie, scam, let everyone else in the house go hungry, even abusing medicaid system, and teaching her kids to fake illness, so she could get the drugs, and pretty much isolated herself from the rest of the family. I know it's a huge problem with addiction, and I shouldn't judge, but when kids are involved, especially when those choices affects you as well, and you have a personal relationship w/ kids, make them #1, as well as bills, food, and other expenses, then have fun. You got it figured out right. This subject hits home for me, even though I am an onlooker, from the inside though. Good plan though!! I do that with my personal use as well.

 

[Xorkoth]

Listening... didn't see that post at the time. Congrats on being a good dude and putting your kids first. Nothing wrong with still altering yourself as long as it's appropriate and your kids have all the care and attention they deserve.

And also congrats for being willing to put up with a partner you can't stand for them... I know about that, minus the kids, I put up with a partner I couldn't stand for years (it was a slow descent from love into loathing but the loathing took over for the last section of the marriage). I did it out of a sense of "rightness" or obligation, and in my case it's good that we ended it, but we didn't have kids, which obviously makes a big difference. As long as you guys can work together to provide a good environment for them, and not let the hatred become evident to them, I think it's probably the right thing to do. My girlfriend though, her parents divorced when she was young, like 5 or 6 I think, and the toxic situation she was exposed to while they were together made her actually relieved when they split up. Of course it still affected her... difficult situation, there.

 

[iamthesuck]

Solipsis I've been gone for quite some time, it seems like I missed some big stuff in the life of one of my favorite pd contributors. How are you doing??

 

[pharmakos]

Also, if I could stop feeling so fucking suicidal all the time it would be awesome.

this has been an every day struggle for me for a very long time, you are not alone.