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[Morninggloryseed]

Interestingly though, I got very little euphoria with it at either 30 mg or 50 mg, so little that I hesitate to even call it by that name. It was more just like a pleasant buzzing throughout my body,

I definitely got the euphoria, in fact when the DiPT came on I felt like I was on MDMA. DiPT and AET have been the only two tryptamines to give me that feeling.

Incidentally, I also am actually somewhat suspicious now that 4-HO-DiPT will produce DiPT-like audio distortions for me at a higher dose.

Strangely enough, I never had any auditory effects with iprocin...although I never went higher than 26mg. What doses have you tried so far?

Incidentally, 5-MeO-DiPT produced strong auditory distortions, different from DiPT, but just as strange.

 

[Kaleida]

I definitely got the euphoria, in fact when the DiPT came on I felt like I was on MDMA. DiPT and AET have been the only two tryptamines to give me that feeling.

Yeah, I can definitely say it was nowhere near that for me, though it would've been nice! MiPT was that great for me though, it had both the orgasmic body high and the intense music enhancement. DiPT and 4-HO-DiPT remind me the most of 4-HO-DET though, which also fails to produce euphoria in me up to 30 mg despite being powerfully hallucinogenic by that time. However, the same was true of 4-HO-MPT at 25 mg, a dose which qualitatively reminded me of the same amount of 4-HO-DET in many ways, whereas at 50 mg a buzzing like I had mentioned for DiPT had increased to a full-body blissful vibration. Still not MDMA-like in my experience, and more subtle, but still at least equally as wonderful in its own ways. So, that's why I'm thinking that such an effect still may show up for me with higher doses of these chemicals too.

Strangely enough, I never had any auditory effects with iprocin...although I never went higher than 26mg. What doses have you tried so far?

Incidentally, 5-MeO-DiPT produced strong auditory distortions, different from DiPT, but just as strange.

Well, it took nitrous for me to notice it at 25 mg and still only had the threshold tinnitus at 30 mg, so if you have a similar sensitivity to it to me that wouldn't surprise me. Of course, I've been reading around and it seems like the sensitivity to most of them varies a lot, especially to any of them besides DiPT itself. For me, the effects I felt on 30 mg of each are so far making me feel that DiPT and 4-HO-DiPT might be similarly potent by weight in this way, so I expect that I'll be tripping pretty darn hard on 4-HO-DiPT before I reach a significant level of that effect with it, at least compared to DiPT. Though, it might work out nicely if the audio distortion reaches normal DiPT-like levels at the same time that that body buzz becomes fully satisfying.

I would be interested in hearing the distortions caused by 5-MeO-DiPT too, though I have to say that honestly almost everything else I've ever heard about it has really left with nearly zero interest in trying it otherwise. What kind of dose do you have to take for that distortion, and what is the body load and everything like by that point?

 

[Xorkoth]

5-MeO-DiPT isn't bad, it's pretty stimmy but I've had a couple of nice experiences on it. It was actually the first RC I tried, this neighbor in college bought a gram and dissolved it in a liter of water and sold 20mg doses (!!). I took one and had a good, crazy time. I actually took it twice from him, I only knew it as 'foxy" though. I found it made music sound deeper and more magnificent and it made me laugh a whole lot. DiPT produces much more profound audio distortions.

 

[xammy]

What do you guys think about 5-MeO-MiPT?

Xorkoth wrote this in 2008:

5-MeO-MiPT on the other hand feels very transparent on the body. It's much more subtle and creates a very coherent and intelligent euphoria. I find it extremely useful for doing energy realignment and pushing through negative spells. It's quite mentally stimulating as well. 5-MeO-MiPT is one of my favorite chemicals. It's not going to give you a world-shattering trip... it's more of a utility tool.

Still think that way? :D I'm gonna give it a try probably.

 

[Kaleida]

5-MeO-DiPT isn't bad, it's pretty stimmy but I've had a couple of nice experiences on it. It was actually the first RC I tried, this neighbor in college bought a gram and dissolved it in a liter of water and sold 20mg doses (!!). I took one and had a good, crazy time. I actually took it twice from him, I only knew it as 'foxy" though. I found it made music sound deeper and more magnificent and it made me laugh a whole lot. DiPT produces much more profound audio distortions.

That is a crazy dose to be selling! I'm surprised that you had such a good time on it with that based on what I've heard about it, though I know that the first RCs I ever tried were completely free of body load or negativity too regardless of what they do to me now. If it takes that much though just for less interesting distortions than DiPT then it doesn't seem too worth it.... Was it very psychedelic at all at that dose, or still not?

What do you guys think about 5-MeO-MiPT?

Without having tried it myself, all I can tell you for sure is that reactions vary a lot. While a lot of people seem to think of it as a very light, stimulating psychedelic, there also seems to be a collection of people who find it to be extremely powerful and visual, with some people I've talked to saying even more so than DMT. I used to think that this was probably only something that ever happened to people who had used tons of psychedelics before and were using their past experiences and expectations to draw those effects out, but then I introduced a new friend to tripping and watched him build up some experience over the course of only a couple months, and after only ever trying 4-AcO-DMT, 4-AcO-MET, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-AcO-DIPT, and 5-MeO-MiPT, and the first four exclusively in >20 mg doses, he still claimed that 5-MeO-MiPT was by far the strongest trip for him, roughly twelve hours of intense psychedelia every time. So, if you do try it I would say be prepared for this possibility... as it does not seem likely, but it certainly can happen!

 

[Xorkoth]

What do you guys think about 5-MeO-MiPT?

Xorkoth wrote this in 2008:



Still think that way? :D I'm gonna give it a try probably.

Yeah I still feel that way about 5-MeO-MiPT. I really like it at 6-8mg a lot, it's euphoric, energizing and pretty transparent, and it's lightly psychedelic but in a clear way that allows you to retain full control over yourself and your thought processes. Useful drug, it helped kick me out of a slump once.

That is a crazy dose to be selling! I'm surprised that you had such a good time on it with that based on what I've heard about it, though I know that the first RCs I ever tried were completely free of body load or negativity too regardless of what they do to me now. If it takes that much though just for less interesting distortions than DiPT then it doesn't seem too worth it.... Was it very psychedelic at all at that dose, or still not?

Yeah in retrospect it was pretty ludicrous, I found it to be very euphoric and pleasurable at the time though. A friend of mine would get the most intense visuals she'd ever had every time she took it... personally I didn't really get visuals from it, even then. It was psychedelic to some extent for me, but it didn't hold a candle to many other things. Still, I'd probably try it again if it was offered to me, I remember it being fun.

Weirdly, as the first RC I ever tried, even at such a high dose it was pretty much free of bodyload. But, a few years later when I actually got my own RCs and got into it, I found almost everything gave me a really nasty bodyload at least until the peak set in, even though I'd only tripped maybe 3 times since I had tried the 5-MeO-DiPT.

 

[Kl519]

Finally got the trip report up.

(DiPT/55 mg) - Second Time - Long Lost Novelty Restored

Kl519, I'm looking forward to it then! I'm still very excited to try DOPR one of these days so the more trip reports I can draw from first the better! A combination of LSD, 4-HO-MiPT, and 2C-B sounds absolutely fantastic too, and I am jealous that you have the option.

And that is very interesting, about the cracked outness and the 2C-P. I'll definitely have to keep that in mind if I ever get the chance to try it myself.... I definitely don't want to have to be dealing with a bad body load for that long duration!

Yeah, it sounds good, but hopefully it is. I just have a little stash of those 3, but I haven't combined them yet. I'll be saving that for before New Year's Eve.

I'll be taking DOPr next weekend, so hopefully ~6 mg will be a good dose. I'm excited because I'll have a lot of time by then. Just chill and probably trip more often.

I really wanted to try eth-lad, but I probably won't get to it. DOF and DOET are very interesting too, and so are the 5 sub trypts in terms of psychedelic effects. Oh well...

Glad to see that everyone seems to be doing well. The year is almost done too.

 

[Just A Guy]

Yeah I still feel that way about 5-MeO-MiPT. I really like it at 6-8mg a lot, it's euphoric, energizing and pretty transparent, and it's lightly psychedelic but in a clear way that allows you to retain full control over yourself and your thought processes. Useful drug, it helped kick me out of a slump once.

I used a 6mg dose tonight, and it kicked my butt. Surprisingly potent -- coming from the same guy who once dosed close to 30mg in a night (or more) and did just fine. I liked the 6mg, though -- it just came on really strong and for an hour or so was feeling almost lysergic peak effects, but it's already in the second phase, which I really love. Highly emotional. Tears came too easy with a touching movie... Feel refreshed. Shaved off 45 days of beard, too.

 

[Kaleida]

Yeah in retrospect it was pretty ludicrous, I found it to be very euphoric and pleasurable at the time though. A friend of mine would get the most intense visuals she'd ever had every time she took it... personally I didn't really get visuals from it, even then. It was psychedelic to some extent for me, but it didn't hold a candle to many other things. Still, I'd probably try it again if it was offered to me, I remember it being fun.

Weirdly, as the first RC I ever tried, even at such a high dose it was pretty much free of bodyload. But, a few years later when I actually got my own RCs and got into it, I found almost everything gave me a really nasty bodyload at least until the peak set in, even though I'd only tripped maybe 3 times since I had tried the 5-MeO-DiPT.

Well I'm glad it was still good, but that's so interesting! This whole light psychedelic vs strongest psychedelic ever sensitivity discrepancy seems to be fairly consistent among the 5-methoxy tryptamine family for different people. Though, I suppose it actually seems to be fairly consistent with bufotenin as well. I wonder if it could possibly have something to do with differential metabolism and sensitivity to their 5-hydroxy counterparts?

Intriguing about the body load too. I'm at the place now where a lot of things give me a super heavy body load until they peak, though it seems to have been lessening somewhat as of late. Notable though that the DOC gave me a bad body load this time around whereas the DOx blotters I took in my teens were completely free of discomfort. I wonder what mechanism(s) are at work behind all of this?

Yeah, it sounds good, but hopefully it is. I just have a little stash of those 3, but I haven't combined them yet. I'll be saving that for before New Year's Eve.

I'll be taking DOPr next weekend, so hopefully ~6 mg will be a good dose. I'm excited because I'll have a lot of time by then. Just chill and probably trip more often.

I really wanted to try eth-lad, but I probably won't get to it. DOF and DOET are very interesting too, and so are the 5 sub trypts in terms of psychedelic effects. Oh well...

Glad to see that everyone seems to be doing well. The year is almost done too.

I'm sure it will be awesome; I've heard wonderful things about the combination of LSD and 2C-B, and LSD and 4-substituted tryptamine combinations have been by far my favorite so far. I can't wait to hear about it!

Have fun with the DOPR! And I would say that you still got to try a pretty good array of substances. Maybe not everything ever but it sounds like you've had some pretty interesting trips. You've tried a good amount of what I always wanted to anyway, and some which I still sadly have not! Also, what have you heard about DOF that makes you interested? I can't remember hearing anything particularly noteworthy about that one....

I really still don't know how to feel about 5-substituted tryptamines, but I have to say that there's always the option to try a natural source of bufotenin if you really want at least a taste. I can't be sure if it compares to a 5-methoxy tryptamine but it sure feels different from (though still similar to) 4-substituted and base tryptamines. In retrospect, I would actually say that it compared more to a DOx than any other psychedelic I've taken has before, both physically and just in this general way it made me feel far more intensely intoxicated than I would be on most trips, accompanied by the exact same type of sort of dissociating perceptual changes. My best guess would have to be that this is because bufotenin and DOx psychedelics probably share a super high efficacy for 5-HT2A, but of course I can't say. There was definitely some overlap in how intensely visual both bufotenin and DOC felt to me though, but bufotenin also had DMT-type architecture mixed into it. It was a very powerful and fascinating experience, though honestly a lot more uncomfortable even than DOC was for me at the dose I took.

Of course, if you're just looking for the light trip with empathogenic and aphrodisiac qualities then bufotenin might not be your best bet, but then I think you're just out of luck. Personally though if I was going to use 5-methoxy tryptamines it would probably be in search of comparable psychedelic qualities to bufotenin, though maybe hopefully with a lighter body load or at least some extra euphoria. 5-MeO-DET and 5-MeO-DPT honestly sound like poison and even the more psychedelic effects I've read about from 5-MeO-DiPT and 5-MeO-DALT really don't interest me particularly with the former's toxicity, but some of the asymmetrical ones do sound interesting, especially with things like how Just A Guy mentions that 5-MeO-MiPT had "almost lysergic peak effects". That is an added quality that so far seems to be pretty consistent for me with every tryptamine I've tried so far with an asymmetrical tail where one of the groups was a methyl, so that does make me curious.

 

[Xorkoth]

Interesting, I've had a reverse bell curve sort of progression with bodyload... when I first started tripping there was very little, and then I started to get really intense bodyloads for years. Now I rarely EVER get bodyloads, really I generally feel perfectly comfortable at every stage of the trip. I used to dread come-ups, now I usually just feel a lighter version of the peak effects until I hit the peak, and which point I peak, and then come down gently. There are some exceptions... with DOET I felt bodyload for example. Sometimes I get bodyload on DOC too, but generally only if I sit around during the come-up. I think it's partly due to familiarity with the psychedelic state (a big part of bodyload I am convinced is psychosomatic, at least for most psychedelics), and partly because I always like to be doing something when I trip. I feel like sitting and waiting for the effects can cause an increase in bodyload, versus just going about an activity, so it's not forefront on your mind.

It tends to boggle my mind when people report bodyload on LSD... I almost have a reverse bodyload where as soon as I start to feel it, my body feels amazing. But then I remember how I used to get it from everything.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

Body load is hit or miss for me. Sometimes I feel great and sometimes I get wrecked before the peak. Usually my injured knee is a good indication of how things are going to go. If it is bothering me on the come-up I know a bad body load is coming, if it's without pain then I'm good to go. Once I settle into the trip I typically don't notice it much though unless I'm sitting around.

5-meo-mipt used to be very hit and miss for me as well. Sometimes a does would rock me on the low end and sometimes it wouldn't bother me in the least. My main issue with that substance was the stimulant push. I really need to write a trip report on it sometime but I once took it while hiking and really over did things. When I started coming down I was on a long decent and my knee was so bad that I hobbled for 2+ miles on it. I'd never been so happy to see my car in all my life.

Funny thing about that trip too. When I was on the tail end of the peak after my second re-does I ran into the local sheriff on the trail. We hiked up to the peak of the mountain together and while I suspect he knew I was on something he never said anything about it. I don't trust him or the local police force but he was a pretty chill dude that day. We had a 20 minute conversation and he was picking on me about begin out of breath. When I explained that I had done the entire loop instead of the short 3 mile hike he'd done he laughed and said "Well son, no wonder you're so damn tired!". We got to the top together and he went back down the trail after a few minutes while I stayed and sat on the rock over looking the small mountain range. I could see the other mountain I had climbed that day way out in the distance and the valley I'd crossed to get to the one I was currently sitting on. Sat up there and burned a joint before heading back down.

I'm happy I opted for 5-meo-mipt that day because there is no way I would have been able to hold a conversation with the damn sheriff on something like LSD or mushrooms.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah moxy is like that... it keeps me very enabled, socially and physically. It reminds me of a more stimulating and tryptamine-esque low-dose LSD, but I've never been anything but clear-headed on it.

 

[Kaleida]

Interesting, I've had a reverse bell curve sort of progression with bodyload... when I first started tripping there was very little, and then I started to get really intense bodyloads for years. Now I rarely EVER get bodyloads, really I generally feel perfectly comfortable at every stage of the trip. I used to dread come-ups, now I usually just feel a lighter version of the peak effects until I hit the peak, and which point I peak, and then come down gently. There are some exceptions... with DOET I felt bodyload for example. Sometimes I get bodyload on DOC too, but generally only if I sit around during the come-up. I think it's partly due to familiarity with the psychedelic state (a big part of bodyload I am convinced is psychosomatic, at least for most psychedelics), and partly because I always like to be doing something when I trip. I feel like sitting and waiting for the effects can cause an increase in bodyload, versus just going about an activity, so it's not forefront on your mind.

It tends to boggle my mind when people report bodyload on LSD... I almost have a reverse bodyload where as soon as I start to feel it, my body feels amazing. But then I remember how I used to get it from everything.

Fascinating, I really hope it continues to head in that direction for me as well! I would have to agree with the sentiment that most psychedelic body loads seem psychosomatic in nature. I once briefly had a very strong shaky body load just from anticipating taking a large dose of 2C-I. (Ironically, the trip itself lacked one.) And I get that on the activity reducing body load too.... I think that's at least part of why LSD is always so clean to me actually, because it also makes me feel freaking amazing and the only body load I've ever really had related to it came from not using stored up energy, but generally it makes me start moving around without even thinking about it so that's not a problem anyway.

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About the other posts:

While the subjects of 5-MeO-MiPT and other isopropyl tryptamines are being thrown around, I've got a question for you guys (or anyone else reading). What do you think about the supposed aphrodisiac qualities that these molecules are often said to uniquely display?

I say supposed because I know I have heard of people not getting them before, but I have to say that I personally notice it with them. I'm really just curious about other peoples' opinions, and how preference between them may vary between people. I can't speak for 5-MeO-MiPT and 5-MeO-DiPT which of course are the most famous for it, but I would say that I have started to pick up on a very distinct reaction I have to these psychedelics similar to what I've read about with those which seems to start with a sudden drastic increase in my sex drive that at higher doses increases to a point that I would describe as gluttonous, very different from something like mushrooms or 4-HO-MET which are highly erotic but are more satisfying than stimulating, and I have felt this most significantly on MiPT and 4-HO-DiPT, I've gotten it moderately so far with 4-HO-MiPT, it was strangely absent for me aside from some brief imagination enhancement on DiPT, and oddly I have actually gotten it fairly strongly on 4-HO-DET and 4-AcO-DET as well.

So I guess another part of what I'm really wondering too is, for anyone who has experience with both and gets this effect on either, how would you say that the 4-substituted tryptamines stack up to the 5-substituted ones in this way?

Also, HeadphonesandLSD, that's a crazy story lol. I'd be really glad I wasn't on something stronger too!

 

[Xorkoth]

I also find the isopropyl tryptamines to be aphrodisiacs, well anyway I have experimented with 5-MeO-MiPT and 4-HO-MiPT for this. Of the two, I prefer 4-HO-MiPT but I think it's because it's more of a full trip for me. It feels more "soft" on the body and less outright stimulating, plus it's much more empathogenic which of course adds to the experience if you're trying to have sex with another person. I feel like most psychedelics can act as aphrodisiacs in the right circumstances, but these two seem to pretty reliably produce this effect. I've never tried it with any of the -DiPTs.

 

[Kaleida]

Really, 4-HO-MiPT is more empathogenic than 5-MeO-MiPT? I wasn't aware of that, but that's interesting. It definitely does have that feeling to me, it's the only tryptamine I've taken that made me feel like I was bonding with new friends to a level like MDMA. So I guess 5-MeO-MiPT really is more on the stimulating side then?

That's useful though, thanks for the comparison. I can understand because I actually found MiPT lighter on the body than 4-HO-MiPT and so more desirable in that way, but 4-HO-MiPT also had more overt psychedelia that caused my imagination to run a little more wild. There's definitely different areas that each one is best for.

And yeah, I definitely feel that most psychedelics are pro-sexual, basically as long as they're not horribly uncomfortable, for lots of reasons like the empathogenic effects, sensory enhancement, deeper immersion into the moment, and so on. These MiPTs and DiPTs though, and also the DETs, feel a little bit more "mechanical" to me, like it's a direct dose-dependent reaction that can be pushed to the point of extreme exaggeration, as opposed to just being really turned on by the sexual potential of the state you're in. It's similar in that way to the purge I got from MiPT and DiPT: unlike regular nausea for me, both times I just immediately knew I was going to puke, knew there was no point in fighting it, and about ten minutes later did so. Either way, it just feels like a programmed reaction.

 

[Xorkoth]

To me it is, for sure. 4-HO-MiPT feels like half empathogen to me, I always get a huge rush of love and euphoria, almost MDMA-like at times. 5-MeO-MiPT is more sober-headed and less entactogenic, and more energetic, though it shares similar properties. At least that's been my experience, I have never taken it above I think 10mg. I hear it becomes a much stronger psychedelic at higher doses. I've got basically a lifetime supply so I should give that a go sometime.

 

[Kaleida]

That's so interesting. I have to ask something else as well....

This is an excerpt from the TiHKAL page on 4-HO-MiPT:

Muscular sense is increased and a feeling of soaring in bodiless flight is experienced. ... Other eyes-closed imagery is prominent with patterns (in color); at times soaring clouds dominate the eyes-closed scenery.

I was just wondering, have you experienced anything like this on 4-HO-MiPT? I did very distinctly have that exact sensation of flight and closed eyes visuals of clouds when I took MiPT, before ever reading this. And the only other time I have ever experienced that on a psychedelic substance is in the later, trippier hours of MDMA.... I get the feeling that there is something deeper than just similar subjective sensations connecting these chemicals.

As for 5-MeO-MiPT, I have definitely heard many great things about its psychedelic effects in higher doses. I would be very interested in hearing your opinion if you try it.

 

[Xorkoth]

I definitely experienced an increase in my sense of touch and awareness of my body from it. I can't say I've had clouds or a sensation of flight on it. But everyone's different. For me I take it generally when I want to have a really fun night with friends who are also taking it. We have amazing conversations and lots of laughs (like making your abs and face hurt the next day from it). Occasionally it's been more striking psychedelic. I mean it's always psychedelic but in a very earthly way. Even on my trips where it got more intense, the trip was still centered around "real-life" stuff, and very down-to-earth. My best trip on it is when I took 30mg at the trailing end of a DOC trip. That was just glorious, so life-affirming and it made me aware of some of the progress I have made in myself over the past 2 years.

But if I'm trying to have my eyes closed and soar across landscapes, or explore the more esoteric side of psychedelics, I'd choose a different tryptamine.

 

[Kaleida]

Ah well, it was worth a shot! That's the way I feel about my experiences with it so far though, very down to earth. I have heard that it becomes extremely psychedelic at 50+ mg doses but for me so far those effects seemed to be secondary to the euphoria it gave me. I have only taken it up to 30 mg though, and I got those cloud visuals from MiPT at 50 mg, so I'm still reserving judgment about it for now.

I have been thinking about it a bit, and actually, though I have only seen those clouds on MiPT and MDMA, I suppose I have to say that I have felt sensations of wind rushing all around me on 4-HO-MET and 4-HO-DET, but I was completely in-body and just walking around for it. However, at that same dose of 4-HO-DET I also had a brief out-of-body experience when closing my eyes similarly to what I had on MiPT, so I could see that as maybe just a more constrained version of the flying sensation. I really need to try exploring that some more....

I think I've decided that the next good chance I get for a comfortable really strong trip I'm going to try 4-HO-DET at 50 mg. I've been having a very good feeling about how it might turn out for me at higher doses lately, and this has just compounded on to it.

 

[Xorkoth]

I've had 4-AcO-DET, not the HO, but it was really something. Edgy and not euphoric at all, but highly useful and psychedelic.