☮ Social ☮ PD Social Tripping Thread: Euphoric Rambles for Swirling Souls

[Cream Gravy?]

I had an extremely strange ALD-52 experience last night. I'll write up a proper trip report when I get the time.

 

[Xorkoth]

I got sick after an absolutely epic weekend which was about the most fun I've ever had... been partying too much lately. This is a good opportunity to clean myself out a bit. Not even smoking weed because it makes it take a lot longer for colds to go away. I'm glad I already quit smoking/dipping before this. I'm going to use this opportunity to reduce my rate of usage of things back to appropriate levels.

 

[swilow]

I combined 10mg of 4-Ho-MET with 50mg of 2CD (orally) last night. Was most pleasant, relatively brief trip, very stimulating but worthwhile. Mainly pretty visuals and some weird shroomy thought loops. A small bit of cannabis really ramped things up. Underwhelming but enjoyable, I considered dosing more 2CD but it was getting late.

 

[axnow]

^swilow, I'm interested in this exact combo, or maybe with 2C-C. all oral? how long before you could sleep? would you adjust the ratio at all?

 

[perpetualdawn]

^ ditto, I've wondered about this combo lots too Seems like it could be a perfect little recreational flip.

 

[axnow]

drew this the other day on the tail end of ~10mg 3-MeO-PCE

NSFW:

 

[perpetualdawn]

^wow cool drawing, triipy

 

[Solipsis]

Nice drawing mate

 

[vortech]

Ok here is a swirly subject. I have been tracking my biorhythms for the last year, and I am noticing interesting timing for my next on phase of experimentation. I am entering a period in which my physical and intuitive biorhythms will be on the downside, polar to my intellectual and emotional biorhthms on the positive side, this leading to December 12th when I have a triple-critical-day convergence of physical, intuitive and emotional rhythms, just as my intellectual rhythm peaks. This phase will start in a couple days, and the idea is to use 3meo-pcp and a couple other things to supplement my low physical and intuitive levels, in theory creating a pretty balanced biorhythm hack. While 3meo can have profound effects on all the types of biorhthms (sometimes unpredictably so), I have found the most consistent effects in it increasing a sense of physical energy as well as being more clearly-tuned into intuition. As for what happens on the 12th during a rare convergence, it is bound to be quite a ride is all I know. My hope is that creative energy strikes, for the conditions will be ripe.

 

[axnow]

^wow cool drawing, triipy

Nice drawing mate

Thanks!!

^ vortech, sounds like you have a peak experience in store!

how do you measure your biorhythms?

re: intuition - I find that when I'm involved with dissos, I make what I believe to be intutitive connections but after I stop using and get some distance it looks very irrational. what is the longest you've abstained recently, and what did you find when you evaluated the decisions and beliefs you developed while using?

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Bumping two 15mg doses of MXE, and vapin some wax. Good way to round off a bad week.

 

[swilow]

Sloppy fucking day today. I had a family christmas thing and decided to dissociate a bit and then some GHB and I was a bit too fucked up, really wobbly and finding it hard to walkk. I think I annoyed my mother and girlfriend. Still, I had a blast.

^swilow, I'm interested in this exact combo, or maybe with 2C-C. all oral? how long before you could sleep? would you adjust the ratio at all?

I haven't tried it with 2C-C but I think that would work really well. And yes, it was all oral. For more psychedelia, I would probably reduce the 2C-D by a bit (maybe ~40mg) and bump up the 4-Ho-MET by only a hint. I wanted the 'psychedelic tofu' effect of 2C-D (not that I've ever really noticed it). I was too stimulated which made me keep getting distracted by thinking of all the other drugs I could be doing

I took them both in the one capsule at approx. 6.30pm and was asleep by 1.00am. I did force sleep to some extent with a bit of weed and GHB, but I was feeling back to normal by 11.30, slight residual restlessness. A nice pleasant experience.

I should add that I eyeballed the 2C-D but I have done it numerous times- it was a standard oral dose for me. 2C-D is better snorted though ridiculously painful.


*



I'm really curious about multi-drug low-dose combos. I've wondered what would happen if one was to consume say 2mg of 2C-D/E/I/B/C/D each. Would this add up to something else, would it be dangerous, would it simply not work? I did something akin to that by taking 3 different lysergamindes (LSD, 1P-LSD, ALD-52) getting up to an assumed 150ug of lysergamide but it didn't feel any different to just taking 150ug of either alone. I did. But I just wonder if a perfect ratio of the different flavour 2C-x's could do something cool.

 

[vortech]

I use an Android app called 'Personal Biorhythms', found the most accurate results with the 'more precise algorithm' setting.

After a year of cycling 3meo a couple times a month average, with a couple longer breaks (a little over 2 months was the longest this year), I feel like I have a good head about it, but it was not without needing to confront the deepest aspects of myself head-on. I did need to reevaluate a lot of conclusions in the earlier days, or at least needed to give them some perspective in the grand scheme of things. I'm much less prone now to the 'disconnection from reality' (though I don't like that way of saying it because reality is not exactly immutable and consciousness not impermeable). It is important advice to be aware of reading too far into things, making connections that aren't otherwise connected, and generally taking it too far into fantasy territory. With that said I believe there is a healthy amount of loose-associating. It is a very creative state where the imagination flourishes, and that should be allowed as long as it is checked out before integrating it into a lasting wordview. I mean, during my first major 3meo binge this time last year I became convinced I was some sort of biblical-level incarnation of half-christ half-anti-christ spirit/consciousness, bestowed with the task of bringing light to the world- but that task also requires balancing an equally-epic-sized shadow. So here I am, embracing shadow as I do light, navigating this tightrope of a Middle Path. If I can integrate that, I think I'll be fine with whatever else I dream up. The trick is not to take anything too seriously, that offers a level of protection against going full-loon (or full-lune as in lunar...I am deeply connected to the cycles of the moon whatever that really means).
Sorry, it's a hard question to answer, I hope I addressed it completely.

Thanks!!

^ vortech, sounds like you have a peak experience in store!

how do you measure your biorhythms?

re: intuition - I find that when I'm involved with dissos, I make what I believe to be intutitive connections but after I stop using and get some distance it looks very irrational. what is the longest you've abstained recently, and what did you find when you evaluated the decisions and beliefs you developed while using?

 

[Xorkoth]

Ended up trying 5-MAPB last night, I preloaded with a low dose of propylhexedrine to give it some dopamine push. It was really nice, I hung out with 3 really good friends and felt great, a bit empathogenic, nothing forced or pwerful. I felt funny and articulate. Tons and awesome conversations and laughter. Little to no hangover today despite a good few beers and sleeping at 6am, waking up at 10:30. Good times... interesting and nice chemical, a lot more chill and transparent than 6-APB. Also I still felt a little sick going into it, almost didn't do it, but now this morning I feel not sick at all.

 

[xammy]

5-MAPB is nice but lacks the magic of MDMA

 

[vortech]

I agree, its nice but not nearly as 'full-bodied' as MDMA

 

[vortech]

My Intuition was right, that the 3meo would really balance my levels right now, and so far it is doing just that.

 

[SKL]

I should add that I eyeballed the 2C-D but I have done it numerous times- it was a standard oral dose for me. 2C-D is better snorted though ridiculously painful.

i.m. 2CD is where it's at, although don't be like me and go to 40mg the first time, not because I had any sort of "bad trip," I doubt it's really that possible to have a serious freakout on this exceedingly forgiving, gentile, and not too potent compound; it's one of the few RC's I wouldn't have reservations about eyeballing, p.o. doses are ridiculously high and for me wasteful -- remember I'm talking about 40mg i.m. and I estimate by the seat of my ass that that's equivalent to 120-160mg p.o., the lowest dose I would really consider worthwhile is 80ish mg however don't listen to me as I am particularly hardheaded to 2C-drugs in general (80+mg 2C-B gets me more or less to about where I want to be, p.o.; 2C-D twice that at the least, up to 2 points, this is probably a quirk of my chemistry [definitely not my drugs, as other people had them too, and took reasonable doses] so don't try this at home), I don't know about nasal doses though.

I used to love snorting small lines of 4-HO-MiPT (repeatedly, throughout the night), 4-HO-MET being a little more potently, you couldn't probably do it all that safely, OTOH on one occasion I mixed ketamine, mephedrone, and 4-HO-MiPT in approximately equivalent doses (maybe a 10:15:2 ratio or thereabouts) in a mortor and pestle, enough for three for a night, and it was an incredible experience; waste of good drugs to an extent on the 4-HO-MiPT as tolerane is a big factor (so I kept hitting key bumps of 4-HO-MiPT as a booster in addition to lines of my cocktail, again, don't try this at home) ... 2C-D and 4-HO-MiPT are good together though, as is 2C-D (Shulgin's "tofu") with just about everyone else.

2C-C I didn't particularly care for, it was emotionally neutral in a particularly aggressive way, if that makes sense, the first time that I tried it, which was, rather emphatically, not what I was going for at the time (I was with the most fucking adorable 18 year old hippie chick with a pixie cut and an active imagination, she turned out to be the daughter of [spoil]rich/famous/smart[/spoil] and [spoil]1980s cover girl[/spoil] which in and of itself was pretty nuts but needless to she was ... yet the drug kind of inhibited me from, like, appreciating the situation, yeah?) but anyhow, I'd consider it, like, tofu with a particularly unpleasant texture, insufficiently congealed and too much water, something like that ... weird ass drug ... I'm surprised people still make it ... 2C-M (a/k/a 2C-D; I'm trying to get more people on the train of calling it 2C-M (as in methyl, as also in DOM), the D stands for desoxy-2,4,5-TMPEA but 2,4,5-TMPEA is not a drug of any relevance so I think we'd do better to maintain consistency in nomenclature across the α-Me/non-α-Me substitutions), on the other hand, is absolutely my favorite simple 4-substituted phenethylamine (not including, that is, the 4-thio-phenethylamines; which I really had a particular affinity for and really miss, although I guess they don't distribute a lot of 2C-T-7 anymore given how it gained it, and the scene's, infamy way back in the Stone Age 90's, -21 was pretty cool though, -2 pretty much sucked though IMO)

I'm really curious about multi-drug low-dose combos. I've wondered what would happen if one was to consume say 2mg of 2C-D/E/I/B/C/D each. Would this add up to something else, would it be dangerous, would it simply not work? I did something akin to that by taking 3 different lysergamindes (LSD, 1P-LSD, ALD-52) getting up to an assumed 150ug of lysergamide but it didn't feel any different to just taking 150ug of either alone. I did. But I just wonder if a perfect ratio of the different flavour 2C-x's could do something cool.

From a strictly theoretical standpoint I don't really see why this shouldn't work, although I haven't tried something exactly akin to what you're talking about, lots of us have tried multiple psychedelics at the same time (obviously) and (a) tripped harder and (b) had a trip of a different character than if they were to take one or the other; now of course the big question is about threshhold doses adding up to be something active, and I could only assume that they would, although it's not something I've tried experimentally. It is so for pretty much every other class of drug (take a bump of heroin and a little morphine, or some meth and some dexedrine, or a shot of booze with a small benzo dose, or whatever), but given the uniqueness of the psychedelic recepterome, the tendency to build tolerance, etc. it would be a different sort of adventure. I'd wager a decent sum that you'd have an appreciable but not overly intense trip from taking, say: 10mg 2C-M/7.5mg 2C-B/5mg 2C-E/5mg 2C-I.

Hyper-customization of drugs is held by a lot of theoretical types to be the future, but that might already be accessible in DYI capsule form, we could even invent a nomenclature, say, call the aforementioned example a 2.5mg dose of [font="Cambria Math;Cambria;Times New Roman"]2Cς {4_M:3_B:2_(C,I)}[/font]. This sort of stuff already finds (somewhat nefarious) application in the creation of synthetic cannabinoid "spice blends" and so on, but their purpose (even if clumsily executed sometimes to a fatal degree) is in fact to provide an optimal experience by combining, at times, more than one drug of the same class with different effects on the human recepterome.

Contrarily, in medicine, psychopharmacology in particularly but really everywhere, polypharmacy is generally held to be a Bad Thing, however, we can sometimes get considerable benefit from placing a patient on two antipsychotics (for example; sometimes even three, especially if the third is Clozaril), because they have, again, different affinities (albeit quite often the opposite ones for the same receptors.) The problem of side effects, of course, is increased by the number of drugs.

Also, I would not expect the dosage-response curve to be lineal, and would expect you'd have to do a considerable amount of mucking about with the dosages to come out with something optimal, and could not assume (as I did in the above example, which I give as something which is probably safe but by no means optimal) that roughly subjectively equivalent doses put together would give an experience equal to the sum of the doses but with varying characteristics, that one would have to find out empirically.

But, I think it is safe to say, this would be a way to devise "new drugs" from combining smaller doses of old ones. Whether this would be economical is uncertain and probably doubtful (although careful choice of drugs with more subtle interactions might allow for selection of potentiating drugs, although something like 2C-T-7 mixed with tryptamines, while given MAO-inhibiting properties of the latter might be promising, might also be dangerous on the way to be really cool, and one would have to presume dangerousness and tread very carefully.) I wouldn't be surprised, though, that there would be a couple of [font="Cambria Math;Cambria;Times New Roman"]{n_d · · · m_dm}[/font]-type drugs that would be quite rewarding! And with doses starting low, I cannot imagine it being unsafe. Perhaps a worth area of exploration for people who have a variety of little vials going on and want to try something really new; just remember my reservations and the universal reservation to "start low/go slow"

 

[TheAppleCore]

Hyper-customization of drugs is held by a lot of theoretical types to be the future, but that might already be accessible in DYI capsule form, we could even invent a nomenclature, say, call the aforementioned example a 2.5mg dose of [font="Cambria Math;Cambria;Times New Roman"]2Cς {4_M:3_B:2_(C,I)}[/font].

This is exactly what I want to see more people investigate. When I was taking more psychedelics, I was beginning to tread this territory. The TL;DR of that report is that I found the combination of two smaller doses of 4-HO-MET and 4-AcO-DMT to be far more interesting and rewarding than a bigger dose of either alone, to the point where I would hardly consider taking one without the other anymore.

4-HO-EPT is another sub-trypt that strikes me as a somewhat underwhelming chemical on its own, but a potentially lucrative "psychedelic alchemy" ingredient. I tried combining it with ALD-52 a couple times, and the interaction was quite interesting, in that the 4-HO-EPT seemed to counterbalance a lot of the rushy lysergamide stimulation -- and that is without even lowering the dose of ALD-52!

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I'm ashamed to say that I've never really been a combo guy. I've tried 2C-C and 2C-D with MXE before on separate occasions but I found both combos to be rather blurry and not worthwhile; however, I've found that most anything I've combined with LSD has been brilliant. Yet, such combos have never been psychedelics. I love mixing opioids or booze or cannabis with LSD but I've never seen the point of adding more psychs. Why not just eat more acid. I dunno. I love LSD. I've come to realize I could do without the rest of em, if I could just have a lifetime supply of LSD. Unfortunately, my supply of it waxes and wanes, so I end up fiddling with other things to entertain the intermediary time.