☮ Social ☮ PD Social Tripping Thread: aLL aBoArD tHe MoThErShiP 👽🛸

[ions]

There seems to be quality psychedelics circulating.

 

[Kaleida]

There seems to be quality psychedelics circulating.

Agreed. Everything I’ve gotten recently has been great.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

There seems to be quality psychedelics circulating.

Personally I have all I need, but that's good to hear. It would be great if they at least decriminalized it.

 

[Kaleida]

I recently took one hit of LSD and had it hit me so hard that I was seeing the exact visuals from my program happening 1:1 on the walls around me lol. Like not in a “wow my program is so accurate” kind of way but in a “the trip literally incorporated my program visuals into itself” kind of way. For a good while I just stared at the headboard of my bed a few inches away watching the visuals I literally designed myself transforming reality like any other basically just thinking like wtfwtfwtfwtf….

I love LSD. Never had any hit me that hard with one hit either. It’s definitely a good supply for me right now at least. It seems like a lot of my younger coworkers are very interested in psychedelics and using all the high quality drugs now too. Might be going through one of those waves.

 

[ions]

The LSD is too strong for me to tackle a full tab or square. I do them in 1/3.
Mushrooms are very visual and don't require much to trip either.
Then the MDMA is super clean.

Hopefully the more rare compounds start to circulate.

 

[ions]

Basically my most sought after next is mescaline, and a 2cx. never had em.

 

[kiely]

therapy

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

Delete

The LSD is too strong for me to tackle a full tab or square. I do them in 1/3

Ah, finally back to the way it was when I was young. I remember splitting a half of an orange barrel with my first wife and we were both tripping at least 3+ at 3 hours in. She wanted to go play in the "rainbow waterfall of light" in the living room(there was no living room) , but was busy making popcorn for guests. We were showing a big screen viewing of Yellow Submarine at a university coffee house and being that high and running the projector, threading the film and focusing quite a challenge, but I managed it.

Damn you, Bear !!!!

 

[ions]

The only thing i find with the gel tabs is you can chew them up. but they take typically 100min to kick in fully instead of an hour.

 

[Kaleida]

Basically my most sought after next is mescaline, and a 2cx. never had em.

I’ve never had mescaline either but I really want to. 2Cs are fantastic. I’d really love to see them start showing up more again too.

 

[Kaleida]

I am feeling a little bit of a delayed crash from the MDMA today actually lol. It’s not too bad though.

 

[ions]

I took 135mg this morning.
It's best in the morning I feel. Like with coffee.
It stays with you the whole day. @Kaleida

 

[Kaleida]

That's what I did too and it was great, made the whole day special.

Hope it's a good one for you!!

 

[Esperighanto]

I’ve never had mescaline either but I really want to. 2Cs are fantastic. I’d really love to see them start showing up more again too.

Getting your hands on some San Pedro and extracting with orange oil and vinegar is always a solid way to access mescaline, dealers tend to charge exorbitant prices per dose for it.

I recently took one hit of LSD and had it hit me so hard that I was seeing the exact visuals from my program happening 1:1 on the walls around me lol. Like not in a “wow my program is so accurate” kind of way but in a “the trip literally incorporated my program visuals into itself” kind of way. For a good while I just stared at the headboard of my bed a few inches away watching the visuals I literally designed myself transforming reality like any other basically just thinking like wtfwtfwtfwtf….

I love LSD. Never had any hit me that hard with one hit either. It’s definitely a good supply for me right now at least. It seems like a lot of my younger coworkers are very interested in psychedelics and using all the high quality drugs now too. Might be going through one of those waves.

I've had LSD + DiPT, as well as LSD + Sinicuichi induce audio distortions reminiscent of DSP code I've written, it's fascinating that it happened to you but via a visual medium.

There seems to be quality psychedelics circulating.

It's definitely seeming like some sort of renaissance in psychedelics has been going on since ~2017 or so, purity and availability skyrocketing and more people accessing and using them. Imo it's a great thing, they have a ton of utility to offer people and more people would benefit from learning the lessons they teach.

 

[iom]

For what it's worth for a very long time I've thought that the effects of MDMA seem mischaracterized. What most people call the peak of the roll I call the comeup, and what most people call the comedown I call the peak of the trip. I think MDMA seems to work similarly to other psychedelic amphetamines like the DOx family and is primarily a psychedelic that doesn't peak for around four or five hours after dosing, but also is a classical stimulant amphetamine on top of that. I suspect that the reason that roll is thought of as the peak is because it's just that early part of a phenethylamine psychedelic trip that's very euphoric and body-heavy before it makes way into the more relaxed and peaceful but also more deeply trippy part later on, but also that part of the comeup stacks with the classic stimulant rush to make it more of a full-blown high than a phenethylamine psychedelic comeup usually is, and then by the time the trip peak comes around the stimulant rush has already passed and become more of a background feeling the way that it tends to with stimulants, and people are also exhausted from already partying for hours by that point too and they're just like, "Welp, time to go to bed." But of course if they stay up and keep redosing or smoking cannabis or using ketamine then they start tripping extremely hard and go online and post threads with titles like "Scary MDMA hallucinations??" because they don't realize that MDMA has always been a powerful hallucinogen and psychedelic and they've just been sleeping through the peak every other time. Some of the craziest trips I've ever had have been on high dosages of MDMA and it always doesn't really get going until around like four or five hours in and lasts at least a few more hours after that, sometimes several. And for the record I don't really buy the metabolism to MDA theory personally, yes it happens but it doesn't seem to be a hugely significant clearance pathway for MDMA in the studies I've seen.

This is an interesting hypothesis. However, I think the long onset of many phenethylamines is mostly a consequence of kinetics---the time it takes to be absorbed in the bowel, cross the blood-brain-barrier, and possibly the time it takes to enter certain key structures within the brain. This can be experienced subjectively as a progression of different phases during the come-up. Like with mescaline, I would say roughly that the first hour consists of building G.I. effects, the second hour of building body effects, the third hour of building introspective effects, and the experience finally develops fully in the fourth hour. Tryptamines go through a similar progress of phases, but it is much more rapid, and there is a lot more overlap between the peak effects in the body and the mind. MDMA in contrast to something like mescaline is very active in the brain within the first hour, even if it's not trippy.

Regarding your observations, I think a few things need to be taken into consideration. First, MDMA definitely sticks around a lot longer than the 3-4 hours or so during which most people experience the most desirable effects. Second, MDMA and has pretty weak 5-HT2A affinity, so for any trippy effects occur, one needs rather large doses in the first place. Some of these trippy effects probably do come from metabolism to MDA, but MDA is still pretty weak at 5-HT2A compared to its other effects. Third, the large amount of serotonin that is released during the early part of the experience likely competes with the trippy effects of MDXX, both by tying up 5-HT2A and also by strongly activating 5-HT1A which can counter or negate many of the effects of the 5-HT2A agonism. What might be happening at around 4-5 hours into your experience is that the serotonin release drops off by a lot but the drug (and its metabolic product MDA) are still present and no longer have to compete with all that serotonin, which may cause the trippy effects to emerge later.

I am feeling a little bit of a delayed crash from the MDMA today actually lol. It’s not too bad though.

I never get the "crash" that so many people get after 3-4 hours or whatever. I definitely feel the effects diminish to like 20%, but then they linger at a low level for a long time---into the next day really. My wife agrees and says a single MDMA dose could keep her rolling for something like 24 hours. For me the real MDMA crash doesn't hit until around 5-7 days later, and in addition to some harsh mood swings, I also often get sick. The last time I took MDMA, this crash was quite bad. I think I managed to abort or cancel it by taking some mushrooms, but I decided at that point that the after-effects are not worth the usually lackluster (for me) peak effects. With true psychedelics, I almost always feel better than before I tripped when days 5-7 roll around. The other thing is that I don't notice their entactogenic effects suddenly dropping after 3-4 hours but persisting for the whole duration of the experience (and then some). For me personally, the entactogenic psychedelics like most 2C-X are just superior all the way around.

MDMA and most common "true" psychedelics share a significant affinity at 5-HT2B, and evidence suggests that activation of 5-HT2B enhances serotonin release considerably. MDMA's serotonin releasing effects may even depend on activation of 5-HT2B, despite its strong affinity at the serotonin transporter. It's possible that the 5-HT2B action is key to the entactogenesis, and that its specific action at the serotonin transporter mostly serves to cause the abrupt drop in serotonin transmission following the early effects and the associated crashes and neurotoxicity.

That said, it does appear that 5-HT2B active psychedeilcs taken after the peak can extend pleasant effects associated with serotonin release by MDMA. Therapists in Shulgin's circle who would often follow MDMA with 2C-B or MEM, which were said to be capable of maintaining and enhancing the window for much longer than would be the case with MDMA alone. MEM is interesting. I think it has relatively high affinity for 5-HT2B versus 5-HT2A, meaning it's not very trippy, but it probably lacks the serotonin (and DA/NE) transporter activity of MDMA. Did you ever get to try MEM? I've always wanted to try it myself.

 

[Pfafffed]

I never tried 2c-p, which i was alwaya scared of a little, but ironically i did try some DO-Pr.


Fantastic material

Same on both accounts. I'd probably be willing to try 2C-P now, but I'm not terribly fussed. Who has that kind of time? ;-)

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

Hello everyone, I'm still alive. I hope everyone is well.

I wish I could report that I've had some nice trips since I was last here. But I went off everything completely since the last time I was around. Well that's not totally true. I took a dose of LSD sometime since then. Put some high proof liquor in the bottle my liquid LSD used to be stored in. There was a little in the bottom that I couldn't get with the dropper but most of it had evaporated off since it'd been so long since I last checked the bottle in the freezer. I had a pretty okay trip but I kind of wasted it because it was late at night and I was stuck in the house mid-winter. I ended up getting stuck on youtube and watching hustling preachers for a few hours. Really off putting but I couldn't look away. Was kind of hilarious. Than I played some video games IIRC and thought about life.

I've decided I don't really enjoy LSD anymore. It makes my body hurt and it lasts too long. I also dislike the mental effects. I haven't taken shrooms in a long time but I prefer them to LSD. They don't make my body ache they do the opposite and relax me. But they're more of a mind fuck too. With LSD I never lose the plot even on high doses. But with shrooms I get into those though loops and have those moments of clarity where I know I was really out there. Only to slip back into them until the next moment of feeling like I'm somewhat sober and know where I am for a few minutes.

I am out of drugs save one maybe two doses of MDMA I've had in the freezer for years now. Waiting for a good day to take them. Some event of perhaps a hike. I'd like to share it with someone but I don't know if I have enough to do that. I took some MDMA alone sometime around the time I took that LSD. I should have saved it for something social.

I wish I could say life has been better since I last posted here but really it hasn't. Lots of things have gone wrong. I'm even more isolated from the world and people now than I was before. I'm down to one living friend and I haven't seen him in almost a year now because he's so busy. All my other friends have died. One in a really bad car wreck and another died due to cancer. I haven't spoken to anyone but direct family members (and there are only 3 of those left) or strangers at the grocery store. I've been unable to find steady work. I'm barely scrapping by and after bills I'm only left with very little money to buy food. All I do is take one weekly trip into town for groceries now and that's the extend of me leaving the house.

I really want to go hiking but all my hiking buddies are now dead. I went alone once since he died but it's not the same. I still haven't gotten to hike the AT. My plans for that got ruined because something happened that drained my meager savings. I've also lost all connections for fun substances. I don't want to do the internet thing but I guess I'm going to be doing that if I ever want to try anything new or buy any of my favorites again. When I look nothing I'm interested in is in stock and it seems like such a pain to convert cash into crypto currency to get something. Plus I'm iffy about where you get that stuff since I'm so out of the loop on things now. Before a couple of months ago I hadn't used the internet much at all since I was last here.

I know some people here were worried about me when I was last around. They were probably thinking I was suffering from a meth binge or had gotten into my stash and gone mad. Sorry about that. It wasn't anything like that. I was just depressed and running out of hope. The future didn't seem like it was going to improve and honestly it hasn't. I was worried someone I know IRL and some people I know through the internet had found my account here. I guess they didn't because none of them have said anything about it. I was also almost in trouble with the law. The big law...the Feds. They did pay a visit. I wasn't crazy. They had been snooping around my property and I'm sure they'd been in my house since they didn't attempt to hide it. They were watching my house all day from black SUVs parked in the neighborhood and they did interview some of the neighbors and my extended family. I was being watched because of a website I was running and some things that had been said on it. That's my reward for allowing freedom of speech I guess. If you want to know the whole story I posted about it here: https://www.bluelight.org/community...y-drug-subs-today.944576/page-2#post-16227194

My website got super popular over night because the second largest one on the web got taken down one day soon as I opened mine. I woke up one morning and instead of 10-15 people using it there were thousands. Then the next day it doubled again and again. I had to dip heavily into my savings to keep the place online because I had to buy more servers just to support the influx of users. I wasn't running ads on the site because I don't agree with that. So it was all out of my pocket but some users donated. This led to me not only having problems with the law but also the usual bad actors on forums/boards. So next thing I knew I had people digging into my personal information and attempting to find out where I lived. I was really worried they were going to discover my real name and start harassing my family members. Which I've seen happen several times in the past.

I know I'm a bit of an odd ball. So sorry about how I was acting before I decided to take a break from this place. I really like the people on BL. I wish I was more social and had more ability to travel. I'd like to meet some of you at some point. The one person I met from here years ago turned out to be one of my closer friends. We went through a lot together and had a lot of good times. It's just so hard for me to meet new people or go to large events. I get bad anxiety when I meet people for the first time or go to those type of things. I usually have to hang out with someone at least 2 or 3 times before I'm comfortable enough with them to be myself. Been trying to fix that for years and can't ever manage it. I need a benzo or something similar to do those things most of the time. Then after it wears off my mind starts racing thinking about everything I said while I was around them. Which leads to being embarrassed and putting off meeting up again. But if I do manage to get through that and meet up again I'm usually a-okay around them from then on. Always been like that I hate it.

I'm trying to dig out of this hole. Been looking for a new steady job for so long. As usual there is nothing worth doing here. Been trying to get hired at one of the local businesses but they all claim they aren't hiring. Then I go in a week later and they've hired someone new. Trying to figure out why they keep turning me down. One of the smoke shops straight up told me they wouldn't hire me because I'm a man. Say they only want women because it brings in customers.

I came around today because I was thinking about stuff I haven't taken yet that I'd like to try for hiking or riding ATVs on. aMT is like my bucket list drug for those purposes. Have never seen it around and even when I had local connects that had everything you could want he never had it around either. Dude was a rip off those. Over charging for everything but hey at least I could pay cash and not have to deal with all the BS that comes along with using the mail man as a drug connect.

I'm taking kratom at the moment but I feel like I've got it under control. It isn't like when I was taking opioid pills and plugging morphine. I'm only taking 200-ish grams a week and mostly using it for misc. pain and starving off withdrawal. I want off of it so badly though. I wake up in withdrawal every morning. Need an hour every morning before I can get up and go about my day. Then have to sneak off to take it every 5-6 hours. Terrified it'll get banned and I won't be able to buy it locally anymore. Don't want to stock up on a bunch because my intake sky rockets if I buy it by the kilo. Still an addict at heart I guess.

Take it easy everyone. Again hope you've all been well. Maybe we'll run into each other some time in meat space. I'm still dead set on doing my AT hike. Might go and do a section while the leaves are turning. If I can manage to get together enough gas money. At least my car hasn't died on me yet I guess. I probably won't be around too much because I don't use the internet everyday anymore. But I'll try to check in. I've been posting in a couple of other boards off and on but I've been avoiding this social threads because I felt kind of bad about how I was acting last I was really active. I was going through a bunch and needed an outlet I guess. I was under a lot of stress. Sorry about all that.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

Same on both accounts. I'd probably be willing to try 2C-P now, but I'm not terribly fussed. Who has that kind of time? ;-)

I've done 2C-P. It isn't that bad. If you've done the other 2Cs you'll be right as home. The duration is long yeah but the peak effects are only about half of it that. My friend and I took it around 9pm one night and we didn't start to feel it until mid-night. Then we were on the peak from about 2-3am I'd say until 9am or so. Everything after 9am just felt like an extended come down. I didn't drive until 6pm and I had very mild effects by that point (mostly things looking brighter than usual). I could have driven home by 3pm or so. Maybe even sooner.

Of course this depends on the dose. I can't remember what we took because my friend bought a bunch and capped it for me. So I only had two pills and there was very little in the capsules. The funny part was my friend I did it with though it'd be mild when he saw what was in the capsules. I told him it would last 24 hours multiple times. We eat it and start feeling effects and aren't at peak yet and he asks me

So, we're going to be coming down in a few hours, right?

I'm like bro I told you. 24 hours. His eyes got all wide eye'd and he was in shock a bit. That guy is always like that. He never listens. You tell him something and he nods and sometimes even replies with something like he understood. But then 10 minutes if you bring it back up he claims we never talked about it or that it's new information to him.

But yea I found 2C-P pretty mild compared to the others I've taken. I still haven't taken 2C-B. Never came around my way. But I've taken 2C-T-7 and one of the others.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

Hello everyone, I'm still alive. I hope everyone is well.

[bunch of stuff here]

In addition to all of the above. I'd like to apologize to the moderation here. When I was sure someone had found my account and suspected I was being watched by the law I went through one day and deleted a bunch of my old threads. I had forgotten that regular users didn't have that ability and that I had special access due to helping out with the trip report database. I know this probably looked like an abuse of power. I'm sorry. I was just trying to keep myself and anyone I associated with (including the staff here of course) out of trouble.

I'm also sorry that I didn't have time to put more effort into tagging and helping out. Oh and posting that thread in the staff forum when I was given access to it without forewarning. I'm honest to a fault. That's one of my main issues. Can't tell a lie even a white lie. I thought someone had screwed up permissions and every other user could see it too. I was trying to be helpful.

I do appreciate the thought that you all were considering me for some kind of staff position and wanted me to help out with the trip report database. If life hadn't gone sideways maybe everything would have been tagged by now. No idea if that ever got finished. Maybe in the future we can try again. Some of you know who I am (or at least know who I worked with at one point). I'd like to maybe help out with keeping the place running some day if you ever need someone to debug problems with the php or database. Or add new features or anything else BL might need. Not sure who's job that is now since I haven't been around for awhile. Is Xor still the one taking care of that kind of stuff?

If you guys ever need help with the code running this place and you're stuck so send a PM. I'll try to check in often enough that it doesn't take 2 weeks for you to get a reply. I'm really happy BL is still using this software. Far too many forums have moved on to using things like discuss which is horrible and when they moved they lost most of their past posts. I can't stand the majority of the modern web. It's horrible and I hate how everything now requires javascript enabled to load text. These days I can't use most of the web on some of my PCs due to the OS they run. But BL is awesome. I can still browse it from eww and other text browsers if I really want.

The only thing I dislike about BL at the moment are the animations when you load forums. They look cool but I really wish there was an option to disable them. They chew through the battery on my laptop like nobodies business and consume a lot of CPU on all my other devices. I ended up having to block those parts of the part using my script and ad blocker.

Once again sorry for purging my old threads like that. I didn't think about the fact that I had special access at that time.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

My bad. I thought I posted those two long replies in the social thread. I didn't notice this was the social tripping thread. If the moderator would be so kind as to move them to the other thread please do. My fault I should have paid more attention.