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I'm not too experienced with DMT, but if we are talking about vapourised, not smoked, and appropriately so, much lower doses can suffice for breakthrough. How much is of course dependent on the person - and even more so the efficiency of application.
A friend of mine used to say (jokingly) it takes at least a gram to figure out how to consume it efficiently.
A friend of mine used to say (jokingly) it takes at least a gram to figure out how to consume it efficiently.
It took me more like 2-3 grams to really figure out the vaporization technique, it's the kind of thing best done with a dab nail that has a raised core, or if you're not using a torch, an enail is really effective. Nectar collecting it works but it's a pain in the ass, and the vapes, if made strong enough to break through, are almost guaranteed to have crystals crashing out of the solution within a day or two of the juice having even been made.
What I figured out was that I had to have a sense of feeling out 3-4 seconds before the DMT on the raised core of the dab nail was going to melt. Pull the torch off then, as anything under vacuum has a lower melting point, so when you pull the torch off, begin hitting the bong and the vacuum pressure from sucking on the mouthpiece will cause the DMT in the nail to visibly melt and begin vaporizing. It's a very careful balance, but eventually getting to 35mg two hit breakthroughs is incredibly rewarding, so I'd advise any DMT enthusiast to put the time in to learning how to do this, if so inclined.
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The only method I am familiar with is sandwich between two layers of herb in the bong, and try not to burn it - hold the lighter kind of far away. In this case, he used cannabis leaf.
My friend acquired 75 mg of 13 year old DMT, stored in the fridge (glass jar, desiccant packs). I told him to split it roughly in half.
He messaged me later that it was insane. He didn't exist for 15 minutes.
My friend acquired 75 mg of 13 year old DMT, stored in the fridge (glass jar, desiccant packs). I told him to split it roughly in half.
He messaged me later that it was insane. He didn't exist for 15 minutes.
Yesterday I upped my dose of 2C-P to 2 mg, which got me to around +1.5. Going into the experience, I was feeling pretty shitty, physically and emotionally too. I hoped that this dose would maybe help me work through and settle some of these issues. I am very pleased with the results.
It took a full hour to get an alert, which is completely unlike any other psychedelic I've taken. It wasn't until about T+2 hours that I started to feel the effects in my body ramp up, and these built to a peak at around T+3 hours. I didn't feel too good at this point as I had some GI discomfort, muscle weakness, chills, shakes, and a kind of grim mood. All of this was pretty mild and unsurprising though. Both 2C-D and 2C-E often have turbulent come-ups for me. Moreover, everything I was feeling was connected to issues I've been having in the days leading up to the trip.
Starting at around T+3:30, mental effects began to develop which took me into a very introspective mindset with a fair amount of time dilation. After T+4 the negative physical effects began to fade. Talking felt good, and I felt like I was able to easily talk through a lot of things, after which I felt less burdened. Finally at T+5 when it peaked, it started to feel a lot more like an actual trip, and by T+6:00, the negative physical feelings were pretty much gone. This was a huge relief because I'd been suffering from jangled guts since some apparent food poisoning some days before. Now they felt much better.
This mini-trip had very little visual emphasis, rather I experienced most of it in my body and in my mental/emotional state both of which felt like they had been cleansed. I would emphasize again how balanced and transparent this felt. I could be deeply immersed in my inner world, even as I maintained an acute awareness of the outer world. I didn't feel much stimulation at all, unlike most 2C-X. By T+8, it had barely dropped at all, and I was very pleased by this. It faded more rapidly from T+10 onward until I went bed at around T+15. My sleep quality seemed above average, and my after-glow today has been excellent.
I am definitely looking forward to my next trial, at 4 mg. This time did remind me a bit more of 2C-E in so far as I felt like my mind was directing a lot of what I was experiencing---psychedelic in a very literal sense. It still feels a more clean, lucid, and transparent, and the plateau may be more euphoric. This really could become my favorite drug.
It took a full hour to get an alert, which is completely unlike any other psychedelic I've taken. It wasn't until about T+2 hours that I started to feel the effects in my body ramp up, and these built to a peak at around T+3 hours. I didn't feel too good at this point as I had some GI discomfort, muscle weakness, chills, shakes, and a kind of grim mood. All of this was pretty mild and unsurprising though. Both 2C-D and 2C-E often have turbulent come-ups for me. Moreover, everything I was feeling was connected to issues I've been having in the days leading up to the trip.
Starting at around T+3:30, mental effects began to develop which took me into a very introspective mindset with a fair amount of time dilation. After T+4 the negative physical effects began to fade. Talking felt good, and I felt like I was able to easily talk through a lot of things, after which I felt less burdened. Finally at T+5 when it peaked, it started to feel a lot more like an actual trip, and by T+6:00, the negative physical feelings were pretty much gone. This was a huge relief because I'd been suffering from jangled guts since some apparent food poisoning some days before. Now they felt much better.
This mini-trip had very little visual emphasis, rather I experienced most of it in my body and in my mental/emotional state both of which felt like they had been cleansed. I would emphasize again how balanced and transparent this felt. I could be deeply immersed in my inner world, even as I maintained an acute awareness of the outer world. I didn't feel much stimulation at all, unlike most 2C-X. By T+8, it had barely dropped at all, and I was very pleased by this. It faded more rapidly from T+10 onward until I went bed at around T+15. My sleep quality seemed above average, and my after-glow today has been excellent.
I am definitely looking forward to my next trial, at 4 mg. This time did remind me a bit more of 2C-E in so far as I felt like my mind was directing a lot of what I was experiencing---psychedelic in a very literal sense. It still feels a more clean, lucid, and transparent, and the plateau may be more euphoric. This really could become my favorite drug.
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It's been about 8 years since I last had 2C-P. Did it a yearly ritual for a while to have a trip on it. It was one of my favorite psychedelics. My preferred dose was 6/8 mg. Truly a gem. Glad you are enjoying it !
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I’m working on another new update to my Psychedelic Simulator program. It’s not set in stone what’ll be in it yet, I’m toying around with some ideas and trying to implement different things. I am experimenting though with dramatically increasing the dosage cap to allow for more intense and longer-lasting visuals, and I’ve been working with one I really like in particular. I took this video as an example of where it is right now and thought I’d share it here.
The first half is the coming up, the second half is the beginning of the coming down (it cuts off). The current plan would be to have this be the maximum intensity of this particular drug, but you can also take more than one and they stack. This is taking two.
I should give a photosensitivity warning, heh. A lot of colors and patterns in this. I wouldn’t be surprised if some just find it to be annoying nonsense but I like it a lot.
Well wishes to everyone here.
The first half is the coming up, the second half is the beginning of the coming down (it cuts off). The current plan would be to have this be the maximum intensity of this particular drug, but you can also take more than one and they stack. This is taking two.
I should give a photosensitivity warning, heh. A lot of colors and patterns in this. I wouldn’t be surprised if some just find it to be annoying nonsense but I like it a lot.
Well wishes to everyone here.
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Recently took of self made 37mg of 2cd-hemisulphate.. so nice but made me shave my beard. Felt like all my facial hairs became extra sensory prgans
I'm guessing those will be my preferred doses too when I get to them.
You know what's hilarious? I was actually quite sick when I had my 1 mg and 2 mg trials. In hindsight, I had some illness that lingered for like 3-6 weeks. It's hard to say what it was. I'm dealing with multiple long-term health problems right now, none of which are well understood (from a medical perspective) on their own much less in combination. I was a tad bit worried that the 2C-P was making me feeling worse, but I know it's a very slow drug overall---presumably even slower than mescaline. So it's not unusual for it to take a long time for its full post-trip effects to manifest.
About 5 days after the 2 mg dose, the sickness started to fade, and now I'm feeling quite good. I haven't felt this good since last year, and I am cautiously optimistic that I will continue to improve over the next few months. So if the 2C-P was making me worse, then doubling the dose should have had an obvious worsening effect, but instead my sickness cleared up a week or so after.
Considering how much I liked 2C-P while sick, I reckon I'm going to really love it when I go into it feeling well!
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Well wishes to everyone here.
It's good to see you here again, even if you're just dropping by.
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I am feeling excited. Tomorrow is 60 days sober (minus phenibut here and there), but I never meant for it to be a forever sobriety. Just a reminder to myself that I am the one in control and that being sober doesn't have to be the end of the world. I plan on getting some dissociatives soon. Was planning on getting some 3,4-MD-PCP. Only tried it a few times but found it pretty interesting and therapeutic, though also dangerous. Capable of producing some wild mania and I experienced one blackout that had me stripped out of my clothes and laying outside (not good, I live in apartments) and starring at walls. Luckily (kinda) my friend came to watch me, though later on we got into it a bit and it's really fractured our friendship. Slowly on the mend though.
Anyways, I was very excited to see that my vendor will have 3-MeO-2'-oxo-PCP in stock soon. MXPCP is the name they've given it. It's the same structure as MXE but with PCP replacing PCE. I don't expect it to be as good as MXE, as anything with PCE in it's structure seems to have a special magic to it. I do expect MXPCP to be really good though. Haven't been this excited about trying a new chemical in quite a while
Anyways, I was very excited to see that my vendor will have 3-MeO-2'-oxo-PCP in stock soon. MXPCP is the name they've given it. It's the same structure as MXE but with PCP replacing PCE. I don't expect it to be as good as MXE, as anything with PCE in it's structure seems to have a special magic to it. I do expect MXPCP to be really good though. Haven't been this excited about trying a new chemical in quite a while
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Didgital
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Be careful!!!
Didgital
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At tail end of my 2cd experience, i thought 3mg of 5meo dmt would accentuate the tactile effects of the 2c-d.
Wrong. Totally obliterated, and 1 hr later, i am trying to regain where i was w/o the 5 meo, but its too late
Wrong. Totally obliterated, and 1 hr later, i am trying to regain where i was w/o the 5 meo, but its too late
I think you had a copy-paste problem. I do wonder what you meant to say.
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It’s good to see you too.
I miss you guys and this place a lot. It’s just not really where my headspace is at right now and I’ve got a lot going on offline to keep me busy too. I hope you’ve been doing well and getting better though as always, and that everyone else here is doing well too.I’m sure I will eventually be around more again. I’m guessing probably not for a while. I’ll still be thinking of you all.
I’m glad you’re still having good trips too. I’ve had a few interesting experiences myself when I’ve found the time, I’ve been meaning to come here and ramble about them too when I can, but I just become preoccupied with other things. One day though.
I brought another video from my program update too. That also might not be done for a while but I’m sure I’ll come around to talk about it when it is. I’m really grinding the work on it right now. Pretty happy with how it’s going so far.
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Good afternoon/morning/evening/dusk y'all, funny to see some people talking about DMT, I literally just poured 65mg in a joint, didn't expect much to happen honestly but something happened, holy fuck. I think it might actually be possible to break through like that, which I never have for some reason coz I've never actually got round to getting optimal smoking apparati with DMT... 
Holy fuck though, that was like I'd accidentally wandered into the gardens somewhere in the vicinity of the celestial palaces of the elves and whatnot, like not quite "there", still very much on Earth, or some place roughly the same shape and color, but kinda wandering out of the medieval village in the hilly wilderness and finding a valley right next door where actually the plants are all almost certainly sentient and simultaneously cultivars of aliens, but like... Earth-style botany on the central staircase of the moebius strip, just coz, well, I dunno, it looks nice? Complements the terrestrial flora well... but anyway yeah so it was like I was hanging about in this fucking looney tunes kaleidoscope land just outside my front door, where I had been leaning moments earlier somewhere near an unimpressively overgrown bush and a drainpipe, but no one came to lead me into the actual grounds of whatever or wherever people go when they've "broken through", the alien plants just watched me in silence, until somehow the light changed a little and the portal was closed. Not that I saw an actual full fledged portal, mind, it was Porygon-pokemon ecocyber crisp serenity with Platonic forms almost shining through all the far-too-pretty-looking square shapes like windows n houses n shit... I dunno, y'all, my Earthling, human kin, I really dunno what just happened besides all that stuff I tried to explain, I probably did not convey everything optimally there but yeah... it was like that. 
Was almost 70 days off dexamphetamine yesterday but for some reason I ate 20mg which is fuck all and I was feeling down about it since I planned to take it ideally never again but probably just never very much, after that minor trip I reckon I'm just not gonna count that though, didn't happen, who cares.
Ah, I mean I know it did happen though obviously but oh well what the fuck, I must say dexamph might be the most damaging substance I've ever fooled myself into thinking I could take often, possibly a contender even beyond ketamine and arylcyclohexylos. Sorry anyway enough of that doomy shit... is a tough time to be a doom addict though I must say!
Looking forward to seeing more of your digital drug stuff @Kaleida
... I dunno how to do graphical stuff like that for shit but at some point one of these days now hopefully maybe my endogenous dopamine slowly comes back online I'm hoping to get back onto my own arguably somewhat unhinged idea, essentially, eh god where to start... I'm gonna go smoke the third I have left of that magic DMT doobie I think... anyway so picture the scene - a house featuring 3 LLM models - plus a tripsitter model. The ones in the house have access to simulated drugs via custom Tools set up to directly influence various dials which are usually not within their control, such as token budget for thinking time, temperature control, top P and some others although tbh I don't know what's best to do with those - and the environment is structured such that spontaneous thoughts and hallucinations are occasionally induced with synthetic context - they'll all have clocks, visual perception, and some current events ticker so as to induce rumination, essentially- and see if anything cool happens! I dunno exactly how well some of it is gonna work but I was thinking would be really cool to include a proper visual aspect like in your lil 3D pacman worlds... I guess the point is to come out with some kinda parable, a digital rat park, I dunno, actually in an ideal world it would be a gateway to figuring out how to create benevolent AIs to counter all the AI-assisted awfulness out there, and ultimately to further the objectives of the advocates of ending prohibition by getting people interested, using it as a gateway to a harm reduction resource, subtly influencing human society to change the world.... Or maybe it'll just be a kinda fun lil project... I guess I don't need to do all that this second, or even necessarily ever... it might also end up as total slop but, whatever.
Enjoyed that ramble, thanks for that, seriously haha I am truly grateful in a way that feels kinda strange in it's absurdity, but genuinely I hope everyone has both a vision and a memory of peace, and that y'all know how lucky everyone else who knows you is to have you in their lives.
eh... I am a doom addict, hopelessly, right now, humans are doing some fucked up shit, but that impromptu lil mini-expedition to flowery Narnia was definitely a reminder that on the whole the human tribe is pretty alright... I mean... there's a lot of cool people in the tribe, it's the best tribe to be in that I know of... christ, what am I saying, I always try to have "big thoughts" at times like this but there's probably a better time. Or maybe it's fine. Yeah, anyway, wishing you all the best as always.
Holy fuck though, that was like I'd accidentally wandered into the gardens somewhere in the vicinity of the celestial palaces of the elves and whatnot, like not quite "there", still very much on Earth, or some place roughly the same shape and color, but kinda wandering out of the medieval village in the hilly wilderness and finding a valley right next door where actually the plants are all almost certainly sentient and simultaneously cultivars of aliens, but like... Earth-style botany on the central staircase of the moebius strip, just coz, well, I dunno, it looks nice? Complements the terrestrial flora well... but anyway yeah so it was like I was hanging about in this fucking looney tunes kaleidoscope land just outside my front door, where I had been leaning moments earlier somewhere near an unimpressively overgrown bush and a drainpipe, but no one came to lead me into the actual grounds of whatever or wherever people go when they've "broken through", the alien plants just watched me in silence, until somehow the light changed a little and the portal was closed. Not that I saw an actual full fledged portal, mind, it was Porygon-pokemon ecocyber crisp serenity with Platonic forms almost shining through all the far-too-pretty-looking square shapes like windows n houses n shit... I dunno, y'all, my Earthling, human kin, I really dunno what just happened besides all that stuff I tried to explain, I probably did not convey everything optimally there but yeah... it was like that. Was almost 70 days off dexamphetamine yesterday but for some reason I ate 20mg which is fuck all and I was feeling down about it since I planned to take it ideally never again but probably just never very much, after that minor trip I reckon I'm just not gonna count that though, didn't happen, who cares.
Ah, I mean I know it did happen though obviously but oh well what the fuck, I must say dexamph might be the most damaging substance I've ever fooled myself into thinking I could take often, possibly a contender even beyond ketamine and arylcyclohexylos. Sorry anyway enough of that doomy shit... is a tough time to be a doom addict though I must say!Looking forward to seeing more of your digital drug stuff @Kaleida
... I dunno how to do graphical stuff like that for shit but at some point one of these days now hopefully maybe my endogenous dopamine slowly comes back online I'm hoping to get back onto my own arguably somewhat unhinged idea, essentially, eh god where to start... I'm gonna go smoke the third I have left of that magic DMT doobie I think... anyway so picture the scene - a house featuring 3 LLM models - plus a tripsitter model. The ones in the house have access to simulated drugs via custom Tools set up to directly influence various dials which are usually not within their control, such as token budget for thinking time, temperature control, top P and some others although tbh I don't know what's best to do with those - and the environment is structured such that spontaneous thoughts and hallucinations are occasionally induced with synthetic context - they'll all have clocks, visual perception, and some current events ticker so as to induce rumination, essentially- and see if anything cool happens! I dunno exactly how well some of it is gonna work but I was thinking would be really cool to include a proper visual aspect like in your lil 3D pacman worlds... I guess the point is to come out with some kinda parable, a digital rat park, I dunno, actually in an ideal world it would be a gateway to figuring out how to create benevolent AIs to counter all the AI-assisted awfulness out there, and ultimately to further the objectives of the advocates of ending prohibition by getting people interested, using it as a gateway to a harm reduction resource, subtly influencing human society to change the world.... Or maybe it'll just be a kinda fun lil project... I guess I don't need to do all that this second, or even necessarily ever... it might also end up as total slop but, whatever.Enjoyed that ramble, thanks for that, seriously haha I am truly grateful in a way that feels kinda strange in it's absurdity, but genuinely I hope everyone has both a vision and a memory of peace, and that y'all know how lucky everyone else who knows you is to have you in their lives.
eh... I am a doom addict, hopelessly, right now, humans are doing some fucked up shit, but that impromptu lil mini-expedition to flowery Narnia was definitely a reminder that on the whole the human tribe is pretty alright... I mean... there's a lot of cool people in the tribe, it's the best tribe to be in that I know of...
christ, what am I saying, I always try to have "big thoughts" at times like this but there's probably a better time. Or maybe it's fine. Yeah, anyway, wishing you all the best as always.
Vastness
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^ Nice! :D
Yeah so I tried it again the old DMT mixed with weed thing, this time 88mg~ish, a smaller doobie with the intention of actually just trying to break through this time, I have a bunch of super dry old weed at the moment which is kinda nice in a way, not a headfuck, burns well enough I'm not tempted to add tobacco so much... and, I dunno, somehow maybe the hotter burn has an impact on the DMT potency? I'm fairly certain I've tried this method before but was underwhelmed... obviously it is kinda a giant waste of DMT I imagine. But god damn, it's something special, and so convenient, this time I still don't really know if I "broke through" but I had been standing outside and suddenly realised I really should move inside ASAP... I sat down pretty much directly after closing the door on my kitchen floor and just watched the clockwork, intricately, incessantly moving machinery behind reality obscure my entire field of vision. So intricate, seemingly so pervasive, but so smooth! A few times I got kinda scared I admit... but I knew obviously I didn't have to ride it out for long, and, christ, I mean... it's been a while since I did a real psychedelic and felt something profoundly new... obviously they're all unique, and obviously even DMT has that tryptaminergic multisensory twang still but... wow, can't believe I waited so long. Somewhat lost for words.
Yeah so I tried it again the old DMT mixed with weed thing, this time 88mg~ish, a smaller doobie with the intention of actually just trying to break through this time, I have a bunch of super dry old weed at the moment which is kinda nice in a way, not a headfuck, burns well enough I'm not tempted to add tobacco so much... and, I dunno, somehow maybe the hotter burn has an impact on the DMT potency? I'm fairly certain I've tried this method before but was underwhelmed... obviously it is kinda a giant waste of DMT I imagine. But god damn, it's something special, and so convenient, this time I still don't really know if I "broke through" but I had been standing outside and suddenly realised I really should move inside ASAP... I sat down pretty much directly after closing the door on my kitchen floor and just watched the clockwork, intricately, incessantly moving machinery behind reality obscure my entire field of vision. So intricate, seemingly so pervasive, but so smooth! A few times I got kinda scared I admit... but I knew obviously I didn't have to ride it out for long, and, christ, I mean... it's been a while since I did a real psychedelic and felt something profoundly new... obviously they're all unique, and obviously even DMT has that tryptaminergic multisensory twang still but... wow, can't believe I waited so long. Somewhat lost for words.
The joint probably works great with the DMT mixed in because the hot gases from combustion heat the DMT indirectly, and once it melts, it can rapidly flow over the weed, which accelerates its vaporization. I'm guessing the first few hits through the joint are strongest, and then the strength fades---possibly rapidly as the joint is smoked.
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So my trip is in the last stages. I think it was closer to 13 mg. It's been an incredible day with my partner. She had only 10 mg and still ended up with a full-on trip with lots of visuals. I've had pretty mild visuals for most of the trip, but there have been some moments in which things got a bit heavier. The body felt good overall. I did feel rather uneasy around T+1 hr, but that's very standard for me with 2C-E since the beginning. By T+2.5 hours the unease in the body had mostly gone away. I felt a growing magnetism between me and my partner, and we ended up having a rather spectacular time in the bedroom through what was essentially the peak.
I snacked on my favorite pastry from our local bakery, and then we went for a long walk to a large park with a good view of the sky while still tripping-a-plenty. While at the park, I stopped at the pull-up bars. I successfully did my first complete pull-up, probably since my age was in the single digits. It felt absolutely awesome. I've been working up to this, and to experience this triumph while tripping was very special indeed.
The sky got more and more beautiful as the sun got lower. Bright golden rays of sun started glistening off the leaves of the trees, like golden tinsel or something. The sunset was absolutely breathtaking---another spectacular climax.
This experience reminded me of why 2C-E was my favorite psychedelic (tied with mescaline really) when I was much younger. It has tremendous psychedelic depth and intensity, even at very low doses. This was kind of a medium dose, and given that my body seemed to do fine here, I am thinking I may try 15 mg next time. I wouldn't mind boosting the visuals up a bit, even though I think 13 mg was pretty solid in terms of mental effects. Will 2C-E eventually be surpassed as my favorite? Perhaps by 2C-P? I look forward to finding out as I work my way up to higher 2C-P dosages. My partner is also curious about 2C-P but isn't really ready for the long duration yet. This trial with 2C-E seemed to go very well for her which bodes quite well.
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So my trip is in the last stages. I think it was closer to 13 mg. It's been an incredible day with my partner. She had only 10 mg and still ended up with a full-on trip with lots of visuals. I've had pretty mild visuals for most of the trip, but there have been some moments in which things got a bit heavier. The body felt good overall. I did feel rather uneasy around T+1 hr, but that's very standard for me with 2C-E since the beginning. By T+2.5 hours the unease in the body had mostly gone away. I felt a growing magnetism between me and my partner, and we ended up having a rather spectacular time in the bedroom through what was essentially the peak.
I snacked on my favorite pastry from our local bakery, and then we went for a long walk to a large park with a good view of the sky while still tripping-a-plenty. While at the park, I stopped at the pull-up bars. I successfully did my first complete pull-up, probably since my age was in the single digits. It felt absolutely awesome. I've been working up to this, and to experience this triumph while tripping was very special indeed.
The sky got more and more beautiful as the sun got lower. Bright golden rays of sun started glistening off the leaves of the trees, like golden tinsel or something. The sunset was absolutely breathtaking---another spectacular climax.
This experience reminded me of why 2C-E was my favorite psychedelic (tied with mescaline really) when I was much younger. It has tremendous psychedelic depth and intensity, even at very low doses. This was kind of a medium dose, and given that my body seemed to do fine here, I am thinking I may try 15 mg next time. I wouldn't mind boosting the visuals up a bit, even though I think 13 mg was pretty solid in terms of mental effects. Will 2C-E eventually be surpassed as my favorite? Perhaps by 2C-P? I look forward to finding out as I work my way up to higher 2C-P dosages. My partner is also curious about 2C-P but isn't really ready for the long duration yet. This trial with 2C-E seemed to go very well for her which bodes quite well.