☮ Social ☮ PD Social Thread: N-Dimensional Funhouse of Possibilities

[Solipsis]

Damn I gotten into a nasty pit of I.M. MXE again (days of eating less and less and it took a cat jumping on my lap to snap me out of that funk. Not sure how exactly, but it was like something had to break the spell or I had to gather momentum.

 

[Xorkoth]

Well, today I am going to spend making lists and gathering stuff, and cleaning my house. Unless someone wants to hang out, I'll do that then too. I'm gonna go to a thrift store (maybe tomorrow since it's probably closed today) and buy cheap stuff I can make costumes with. And buy some new Teva thong sandals because my current sandals are literally falling apart and that will end up sucking big-time. My last Teva thong sandals lasted me from age 15 until a couple of months ago, the best sandals I have ever owned, comfortable, functional... mmm. :D

has anyone here seen "the light"? like the white light that you immediately recognize as the one that people speak about when they die when you see it? I'm really missing it right now. I wish there was some way to know what it's like to feel that again. I've read about so many people having the same experience in trip reports, but have only talked to a few who have had it. Is it weird saying that I miss the afterlife? (in a completely non-suicidal way)

Yeah I saw it when I holed on MXE (months ago, the one I wrote a TR about), and I felt sure I could have just gone into it and rejoined the source and left this life behind (I probably couldn't have really). But I wanted to keep living this life so I didn't.

It occurred to me yesterday that not doing psychedelics may in fact have been more detrimental than beneficial all along.

Honestly, some people are more "psychedelic person" than others. For some, psychedelics are only beneficial or non-harmful occasionally (and for some they are always harmful). For others, doing them more often can be a good thing. I go through stages, this summer I honestly feel that tripping every weekend was a great thing for me. My mind just likes psychedelics, I've tripped many hundreds of times, often very excessively and I have never had long-lasting negative repercussions (like HPPD or anything else). I feel like tripping regularly helps keep me in a flowing state, it helps me keep things in perspective easier. When summer is over I am going to chill out and take longer breaks. But my point is we're all different and who's to say it isn't a good thing for you to trip more often than most people?

Xorkoth: the security there is mainly to keep people safe, they are much less concerned with drug use. As long as you are smart, I think you'll be fine in terms of the festival. Cops around that area (not part of the festival) are assholes and aplenty, though, so watch your speed and stay under the radar!

kingme: IMO, the thing that really catches one off guard with DMT is the high, as opposed to the visuals. I have always had a hard time blasting off, so maybe it's just me, but the first few times, the high is what I was really unprepared for. I've never smoked crack or meth, but damn, if they get you higher than DMT, I bet they're addictive.

Yeah I'm not driving but that's what we're going to do.

As for DMT, I actually have had trouble breaking through on it too, it's never happened for me before. DMT is weird for me but I hope maybe it will finally happen this coming weekend at the festival. I may or may not try.

Crack and meth get you high in a completely different way than DMT. DMT doesn't hit you with a wave of chemical pleasure, though it can be quite pleasurable simply because of the nature of the experience, especially if you break through. But it's like the pleasure you get as a result of a beautiful experience, not the flood of dopamine release from hard drugs. So for most people it's not addictive at all. I've never smoked crack but I have smoked meth and it feels good but it's not like amazing or anything, and the side effects/comedown are quite horrendous and all 3 times I've smoked it I have had no desire to repeat the experience for a long time. I'll probably never do it again, now that I no longer do opiates, because the only way I could handle the next day was by taking poppy tea.

Damn I gotten into a nasty pit of I.M. MXE again (days of eating less and less and it took a cat jumping on my lap to snap me out of that funk. Not sure how exactly, but it was like something had to break the spell or I had to gather momentum.

This was such an MXE post. I hope you're snapped out of the funk man, doing MXE too much isn't a good thing (as you know).

 

[dstr8427]

You always talk of poppy tea, is that just a preferred drink of yours, or does it actually give you a buzz? I have long heard the rumor that eating enough poppy seeds can make you fail a drug test.

Your way of describing the highs was very interesting to me, and I think I can relate to it because although I've never done any of the very hard drugs, I have scripts for very high potency opiates, so I can relate. It's interesting to hear that you say you have a hard time breaking through, usually when I say it as an excuse for turning down deem, people just think I'm arrogant, but it's true man. I have only blasted off twice in my life, and known multiple cooks, so it's not for lack of trying. Psychedelics just fail to deliver the prominence proclaimed by so many others to me. For any psychedelic, I can tell the difference in visuals, but that's usually all I get from psychedelics, is OEVs and a nice high.

However, I do know why LSD is so loved. I have had a couple of experiences with it where I was moreso able to break on through (in my opinion) than ever with DMT, and I agree that LSD is True Love. I can remember the first time I watched Yellow Submarine while on L, when it got to the end and All You Need Is Love came on, I broke down. I finally understood that, LSD has given me a feeling of oneness that no other psychedelic has been able to replicate.

On a side note, I just bought Final Fantasy VIII from the Playstation Network, I'm so excited for this nostalgic flood :3

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah poppy tea was my favorite opiate, I got higher from it than any other opiate I've tried including heroin (though I only tried smoking and snorting that). Plus it lasts a LONG time, 18-24 hours. It's super addictive though because it's basically oral opium. Unwashed poppy seeds have traces of opium still on them so when you make a tea out of 2, 3, 4 pounds (depending on how strong they are, with some 4 pounds might kill you), it ends up containing a lot of opium. Eating unwashed poppy seeds could make you fail a drug test but you won't get high unless you make a tea out of a lot of them... eating that many would cause you serious stomach issues because they expand in your stomach and 2-4 pounds of seeds is a shitload even if they didn't expand. I ate a pound once (wanted to boost with no way to make tea at that moment) and I had horrible stomach pain for a day and was shitting compacted poppy seeds for days which sucked.

It can be hard to find unwashed poppy seeds too... one thing's for sure, any packaged poppy seeds (like McCormick) will not work, and would be insanely expensive to get enough anyway. I used to spend $30-40 per dose when I found a packaged source that worked (4 oz packages from the grocery store). Then I found a bulk source that was much cheaper from a discount grocery store, I would spend $4 per pound. Then I started getting 25 pound boxes for $56 from that same grocery store. At that point it wasn't very expensive but my use went up, I was doing 4 pounds per dose. The withdrawal lasts 2.5 weeks too.

It seems like some people have that unfortunate effect from psychedelics. I've heard a number of people on here say that they never get/have never had profound mental/spiritual effects from psychedelics, just visuals and nice feelings. Bummer man, I'm glad that's not me. I wonder what causes that?

 

[dstr8427]

Oh, holy shit. It seemed like a nice idea at first, but your description sounds a little too costly, plus I sure as hell don't know where to get them and don't want to search. I'll stick to my Opanas :D

Today was the first time I've ever taken my actual prescribed dosage of Lyrica, and man, it helped in ways I can't even describe. It gave me a very nice little buzz that lasted all day, and mixes very well with weed. I feel like it made me much more confident, and improved my mood vastly. I remember waking up this morning, having slept terribly, and just tried to stay positive although I knew today would suck. However, the Lyrica definitely changed that. It's weird. But see, now I'm at a point where I can take more and be fucked up for the night, either that, or I wanna combine just a couple of Opanas on top, since they're ER and only 10 mg. This is the problem I'm stuck with, though. I feel so great right now, just off a daily dose 300mg of Lyrica. Why do I so badly want to get more fucked up? Maybe it's just a matter of will. I don't have the best will, and I love getting high. I could feel awesome all night right now with only bud, no more drugs on top. Yet I'm so tempted. Although I know the Opanas will probably be a waste, considering my tolerance.

I may be joining you at Lock'n on Saturday, Xorkoth! My parents and I are thinking of making a day trip, it's not far from us. Hopefully I'll see you there

 

[Xorkoth]

Nice, that would be awesome! Though we don't what each other looks like. Watch, we'll just happen to run into each other.

Yeah Lyrica feels amazing, I love that stuff, one of the best feelings I've ever felt. It's like phenibut but much better. Just smoke man, you'll have a good time. It might be too much if you combine opanas. If you already feel great, just go with that.

 

[Solipsis]

Don't take more Lyrica to get fucked up, in the past I tried it a few times and yes only a few days since I started my script 1.5 months ago I also did that, but if you get the same benefit from it as I do... that's gotta outweigh the high. Getting high on it will only give you tolerance a lot quicker and for myself I decided it's not worth it. (although I admit it's pretty amazing)

Actually personally I haven't taken my lyrica for a small week now because I was having an MXE binge, but I'm out of that now. Last week kind of sucked and was disturbing (although there were nice times on it)... and I think I wanna get back on my Lyrica asap. It was saving my life, hopefully I can pick up with that where I left off.

For me combining with dissociatives or opiates (oxy) didn't feel exactly right or healthy... made me feel like I was going to pass out / white out into catatonia due to the Lyrica... so I will be avoiding that.

Such a shame for us to ruin it with other drugs like that - I say let's get back on Lyrica only! (Well some vaped weed and stuff shouldn't be a problem for recreation ) Gonna pick up my new script tomorrow... then head down south for vacation and starting my projects..

In other news I ordered a nice quantity of 2C-E and something else from china as a favor but the bastards sent too little of both products... it seems they wanna come to an arrangement and figure this shit out but what a dick move (thats china for ya i guess?). Still, either way this is leaving me with 500 mg free 2C-E which I will probably be savoring. When I get back from vacation I truly need to pack that 2C-E out and give it more trials because it has sounded so promising for years and I only took it one time (very promising mentally but difficult experience physically... so maybe plug it?). Also got it lab tested so hopefully it actually IS the compounds advertised otherwise it's a double stinker.

Seriously fuck dissociatives, I had a much better time with psychedelics even though I've had semi sketchy trips recently in the physical department. Still the absence of addiction and losing contact with your 'self', etc, that makes exploring phens and trypts and lysergamides soo much better.

 

[dstr8427]

I am seriously considering trying to take my daily dose of Lyrica this month. I am just so wary of becoming dependent on it... It really freaks me out. That's the only reason I use it to get high, I mean I'm prescribed 9 grams (i think) a month, and my only reason for getting fucked up off Lyrica is because I am very against the idea of becoming addicted to any medicine, if prescribed by a doctor. However, I have had a nice day. It is a very good antidepressant.

Xorkoth, you will hopefully know me if you see me. I am paralyzed from the waist down so I use crutches, and am really short, and also have a beard, and considering the event I'll probably be in some kinda tye dye. Also, my pupils will probably be very big I'll be with my parents but they're super cool. It would be sweet if we ran into each other!

I want to just try MXE so fucking bad, I wish it weren't illegal in my state, considering it's legal nationally. You have no idea how frustrating D:

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah hopefully we do run into each other, that would be sweet.

Don't take more Lyrica to get fucked up, in the past I tried it a few times and yes only a few days since I started my script 1.5 months ago I also did that, but if you get the same benefit from it as I do... that's gotta outweigh the high. Getting high on it will only give you tolerance a lot quicker and for myself I decided it's not worth it. (although I admit it's pretty amazing)

Actually personally I haven't taken my lyrica for a small week now because I was having an MXE binge, but I'm out of that now. Last week kind of sucked and was disturbing (although there were nice times on it)... and I think I wanna get back on my Lyrica asap. It was saving my life, hopefully I can pick up with that where I left off.

For me combining with dissociatives or opiates (oxy) didn't feel exactly right or healthy... made me feel like I was going to pass out / white out into catatonia due to the Lyrica... so I will be avoiding that.

Such a shame for us to ruin it with other drugs like that - I say let's get back on Lyrica only! (Well some vaped weed and stuff shouldn't be a problem for recreation ) Gonna pick up my new script tomorrow... then head down south for vacation and starting my projects..

In other news I ordered a nice quantity of 2C-E and something else from china as a favor but the bastards sent too little of both products... it seems they wanna come to an arrangement and figure this shit out but what a dick move (thats china for ya i guess?). Still, either way this is leaving me with 500 mg free 2C-E which I will probably be savoring. When I get back from vacation I truly need to pack that 2C-E out and give it more trials because it has sounded so promising for years and I only took it one time (very promising mentally but difficult experience physically... so maybe plug it?). Also got it lab tested so hopefully it actually IS the compounds advertised otherwise it's a double stinker.

Seriously fuck dissociatives, I had a much better time with psychedelics even though I've had semi sketchy trips recently in the physical department. Still the absence of addiction and losing contact with your 'self', etc, that makes exploring phens and trypts and lysergamides soo much better.

Yeah 2C-E is great, I suggest plugging it (at half the dose obviously) because the bodyload is much better. I definitely prefer it that way.

 

[dstr8427]

The one time I got 2C-E, it just gave me a little buzz. My body felt much weirder but I didn't get visuals. I should've taken it out of the capsule and ate it, I was given this advice the first time I did 2C-I, and 50 mg hit me like a fucking train. I am jealous, I would definitely like to try 2C-E again sometime.

I don't really know much about chemistry and the like, but does Lyrica affect your serotonin? Is that why it makes one feel soooo good?

I'm asking because I want to know if I should avoid taking it when I plan on dosing L or a dissociative, especially if I will be taking my daily dose.

 

[coelophysis]

Lyrica works on the gaba receptors. It could possibly dull the experience but in my opinion will probably just make it feel better.

 

[dstr8427]

I am also worried that it may help me fall asleep during the peak, a problem I commonly experience.

Also, I could be totally wrong, but don't benzos work on the gaba receptors as well?

 

[Solipsis]

No lyrica doesn't really work on the GABA receptors, it's a common mistake to take that from the name pregabalin.

It blocks calcium ion channels, thereby attenuating effects of excitatory neurotransmitters such as glutamate but also dopamine / other catecholamines and yes also serotonin indirectly.

Besides that the effect it does have on GABA is it influences the interconversion between GABA and it's counterpart glutamate. I'm not sure whether it's known how but possibly by influencing the enzymatic reaction that controls the equilibrium. Lastly there may some very atypical modulation of receptors and that may include GABAr, but it's certainly not the main reason why it is anxiolytic / anticonvulsant etc.

I am not really sure why Lyrica feels so good, but the effect it has on the GABA / glutamate equilibrium makes it shift towards there being more GABA present / more effective GABAergic transmission. The interactions with other drugs not working on GABA or glutamate should only be indirect, but with GABAergics like benzo's there may be special interaction / synergy and also with drugs acting on glutamate there may also be more complex interactions.
So be careful with that.

I have an article / document detailing all of this from up to date psychiatry research resources - I'd be happy to share but it is in Dutch.

In higher doses of Lyrica (I get it scripted) I kinda go catatonic but in a bit of a blissful way. Other drugs in moderation may synergize to that effect. The euphoria may be a bit complex to explain but it seems to me like high doses of Lyrica really 'level' out a lot of brain activity from attenuation of those excitatory neurotransmitters. It makes me feel like I just dissolve in a pleasant feeling of encompassing static.

Falling asleep or blacking out can obviously be dangerous if you are involved in activities, but like I said before I really wouldn't make a habit of venturing into that territory for a number of reasons, a lot of which chronic risks.

 

[coelophysis]

Wow, well you learn something new every day.

Is gabapentin in the same boat?

this is a serious game changer in my mind.

 

[dstr8427]

I am very grateful for your advice, Solipsis, but to be honest, the third paragraph went way over my head xD I don't know much about, neuroscience? I dunno haha. So are you saying it would be safe?

I took 300 mgs of Lyrica today (my daily dose) and caved in, and took about 80 mg Opana ER at 6:30, and I haven't died yet haha

 

[Solipsis]

I believe gabapentin is in the same boat, but I don't have the same sort of resource articles on that. I'd personally assume that a lot of it holds true in a similar way.

Sorry dstr, I wasn't really answering your question before - just generally pointing out info on these substances, which are GABA-like in structure (GABA analogues) but not really GABAergic i.e. working on GABA receptors directly as their primary or even secondary action.

I think that while you should always be careful combining drugs like this, a combo with LSD may make the effects more interesting and even nicer (people report the effects of Lyrica plus another drug that works on unrelated neurotransmitters to be pleasant, a bit like adding GHB) but there may also be unpredictable indirect interactions.
I recently took 4-HO-MiPT and topped it off with 4-AcO-MET and I had taken 75 or 150 mg of Lyrica earlier in the day. There was also oxycodone in my system, which I have combined before with it. There is potentiation of the opiate which is nice, but the complete combo may not have been a smart idea. The first part of the trip was pleasant but the trailing end was full of physical issues mainly on my gut. Really made me feel messed up, like I had made a mistake.
Be careful and dose lower with each if you are going to experiment like this. But, if you don't add anything else psychedelics may be promising with it...

I personally do not recommend combining Lyrica with dissociatives, because dissociatives influence NMDA receptors which involve glutamate binding to them. I theorizes this before proceeding with careful experiments. And indeed, I've had some really unpredictable synergy from very carefully trying low doses of MXE one time with Lyrica and R-ket another time. All the effects of the dissociatives were stronger, but not in a way I want to repeat. I was really out of it and it felt wrong. Again: I would say just don't take them together - probably not a good plan.

The combo with Lyrica and oxycodone worked out because I took lower doses of oxy, but normal / higher doses may be irresponsible and dangerous since there may be more CNS depression. Likewise I don't think combining Lyrica with benzo's is smart, and if you do take a lot less of both (I don't take 300 mg lyrica standard anyway - my standard starting regimen per day is 150 mg but sometimes I take a little more or less). The CNS depression may be dangerous and there may be extra GABAergic activity from higher levels of endogenous GABA plus the action of the benzo.
Either avoid, or take lower doses and only do it late at night when you would be okay to just pass out. Still not particularly smart, I wouldn't do it and in fact I don't. If you look up interactions online like webmd sites you will see that there is moderate interaction, that it increases drowsiness and loss of coordination etc. Really, stumbling around like an idiot may sound like fun but it's not really cool at all in this case. Rather just stick to the drunkenness Lyrica produces alone and choose either a benzo or Lyrica for a single day and stick to that, what more do you want really. ;p

 

[pharmakos]

shwarma shwarma shwarma shwarma shwarma chameeeeleooooooonnnnnn

you come and gooooo
you come and goooooooooo

we did it

edit --

just wanted to post that^ here instead of BOBL =p but its a response to a Soli post there

and now that i am caught up on this thread, a response to a Soli post here -- I have combined Pregabalin with DXM and really enjoyed it. not sure if its for everyone, i could definitely see some people's brains just straight up turning off for awhile on that combo, but i forced myself to keep up on my day-to-day activities on a large dose of the both of them and it was verrrrryy interesting. i was able to still function normally, albeit slowly, but it was like i was seeing the world in a completely new way. like the voltage was turned down but the brightness was turned up. if that makes sense. this was awhile ago so i cannot reliably detail the experience, though.

but yeah, it felt safe but potentially not healthy. not the sort of thing you want to get into if you're the type of person that likes to completely space out. if i hadn't put forth a lot of mental energy the combination would have just turned me into a vegetable for a day or two.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Now I remember why I stopped buying liquor (overdid it last night). OTOH, a nice 100 proof bourbon has an appeal of its own, and I do love holding/looking at the glass. Anyhow, chardonnay time~

Anyway, been nomming grapefruit, in preperation for tomorrow. Just gotta decide upon my soundtrack. Go with the old fav' (Band of Gypsies), or perhaps shake things up a bit? I seem to have lost the Johnny Cash that was on my ipod in the transfer of files between computers, otherwise I mightta gone with one of his live albums.

Look forward to my soliloquies and awkward attempts at conversation.

 

[Xorkoth]

Back to work for my 2-day work week! Today I'm gonna go to a thrift store and get costume clothes, shop for some of my food/supplies, and clean my house some more. And work of course.

 

[Tralen]

I'm so jealous of this festival you're going to Xork. I was only able to make it to one festival all summer, even though I had planned to go to 2 or 3, money became an issue as I recently moved out on my own. . But 3 Doors Down is playing an acoustic show in my city in a week and I've already got tickets