☮ Social ☮ PD Social Thread: Engage the digital super banana

[solistus]

@Willow: it's hard to say, but I think I detect a subtle psychopharmacological influence to your writing style. Having a good day I take it? :D

@Xorky: Sc0re! I still haven't even gotten around to trying DOM or DOC yet, let alone their more exotic cousins, but it's always exciting to check off an item on the ole' "rare psychedelics I want to try" list. I'm sure we can look forward to some impromptu trip reports whenever you sample the wares and find yourself in front of a keyboard I've been meaning to add at least one DOx and various LSD analogues to my collection, but good opportunities for a 10+ hour trip are hard to come by for me these days. Still haven't finished the quarter sheet of L I picked up last year, despite hooking up friends with doses on a few occasions. Maybe I'll add some novel 4-sub trypts or DMT analogues to my collection when I get back to the States - something shorter lasting but still interesting. Are any of the LSD analogues significantly shorter lasting? LSD that lasts 6 hours or so would be pretty much my ideal psychedelic.

I wish Paris and Amsterdam were close enough for day trips between them to be reasonably cheap and convenient. I feel like I'm wasting the potential awesomeness of the food here by eating it sober. Ah well, it's still fuckin' tasty. And this will be the longest tolerance break I've taken in a long time, so my first night in A'dam should be gooooood times. Pretty sure I saw some dudes on the train to Paris rolling a spliff, but I don't speak a word of Italian so I couldn't ask them for some help finding local 'hospitality.' And from what I hear, trying to pick up from random street dealers as a tourist in Paris is a really good way to get robbed (either literally or in the form of overpriced, underweight, shit quality soapbar hash). Maybe I'll luck out and meet some English-speaking stoners tonight. I don't like drinking when I can't smoke afterwards, though, and I need some serious drugz in me before clubbing sounds like fun rather than torture, so I'm not sure what kind of nightlife scene I'm planning to hit up. So far my strategy of 'get intentionally lost on the streets of Paris and wander around looking for interesting shit' has been fun, but I should probably make some actual plans at some point

 

[swilow]

^I have this immense desire to perform all actions in some kind of unexpected sequence.

Seriously, just had the best fucking shower. I sat down and just made love to the water. I felt a really religious awe for the stuff.

I was imagining aliens doing a fly-over and survey of earth, "They constantly and freely immerse themselves in the substance known as water"...etc.

You can't really 'etc.' a person speaking can you?

edit/2: I had some 2C-D tonight. Orally, about 40mg or something. I haven't had a 2C-x for ages and, I must say, I didn't really enjoy the sensation. There's something uncomfortable about all the the 2Cx that I've tried, at least, which is:

2C-B, 2C-C, 2C-D, 2C-E, 2C-I, 2C-T-7, 2C-t-21, 2C-t-FM. I think that's it actually.

Willow! Ask me if he basked thee in basketry for the raspy three who tasked me to ask three jackets to be free. Oui?

Ha, you got it. Spot on :D

Apendix septic neuroleptic wrecked eat these three treats screak ek. Eck eck.

I think if om/aum is the Sacred Syllable of Hinduism, "eck" is the Sacred Syllable of MXE.

 

[Xorkoth]

You tried 2C-TFM? Man I'd like to do that. Was it that batch that was badly synthed so contained part 2C-I?

 

[swilow]

^I actually recall very little about it TBH. I got it around the time that HOT-7 was circulating- I think that was 2008/09 (fucking years ago!)... It was a small sample. I remember finding it 'speedy'.

Having a little vodka right now actually.

 

[xammy]

Tell me some fun drugs I could do guys

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I had some 2C-D tonight. Orally, about 40mg or something. I haven't had a 2C-x for ages and, I must say, I didn't really enjoy the sensation. There's something uncomfortable about all the the 2Cx that I've tried.

I always found 2C-D to induce terrible headaches at 20mg+, but also to become very psychedelic, with aural, visual, and mental aspects becoming quite pronounced. I just can't handle the body load. Of that and 2C-C, the only 2Cs I've tried, 2C-C is certainly more functional; I've taken it up to 50mg and had no prominent issues, and I usually get awesome visuals with it, but certainly less mental augmentation.

 

[xammy]

Is 2C-I worth a try? Would 20mg be a good dose?

 

[Dawglaw]

Solstus - go to a hostel and find Americans, they will help you.

Have fun in Amsterdam, I was there over New Years. I have traveled all over the world but Amsterdam is hands down my favorite city to party in.

Be careful buying E off the street, they sell test kits in the smart shops but 4 out of 5 pills I bought did not turn black and the one that did end up taking I am pretty sure was cut with PMMA. They do sell APBs and other RCs in the smart shop, looking back that was probably the better choice than shady street pills.

 

[Xorkoth]

Is 2C-I worth a try? Would 20mg be a good dose?

2C-I is fun for sure... I'd start at 16 or 18mg though, as it can be pretty stimulating. 22mg was a bit too much for me, I prefer 18mg.

Lots of drugs are fun... what do you have access to? I can give my opinion on whether it would be fun.

Be careful buying E off the street, they sell test kits in the smart shops but 4 out of 5 pills I bought did not turn black and the one that did end up taking I am pretty sure was cut with PMMA. They do sell APBs and other RCs in the smart shop, looking back that was probably the better choice than shady street pills.

Some of the APBs are quite nice... I like 6-APB and 5-MAPB. 6-APB is more in your face with more side effects, the first time I did it I got a headache pretty bad but the other times I had really nice experiences. 5-MAPB felt a little weak but quite nice and benign.

 

[xammy]

Have you tried 3-MeO-PCP xork? I could get that, maybe 10mg or something as its ridiculously expensive lol. aMT too, I know you loved that in the past at least. I tried it with 30mg once and it was quite enjoyable but little underwhelming and there was some nausea too.. maybe try again with 40mg? Just read your 2c-i trip report from erowid from 2005 or something heh.

 

[Xorkoth]

I tried 3-MeO-PCP when it wasn't being offered for sale yet... a friend sent me I think 20mg with instructions to start with no more than 2mg. I tried 2mg, didn't feel a much, then 4mg, then 5mg, then 7mg and whatever was left as a booster (separated by days). The 7mg+booster dose gave me a decent experience, it was quite pleasant feeling and warm, but I feel like I never got there with it. I haven't tried it since but I want to.

AMT is a great substance, it does cause some nausea though rectal administration greatly reduces that for me. I'd recommend 40 or even 45mg if you do that. Rectal and oral dose is about the same, unlike for most things. AMT is sure to be a good time. Lasts a long time too, like 12 hours. It reminds me of MDMA mixed with a low dose of LSD, except different. Somewhat mescaline-like. Really enjoyable stuff.

 

[xammy]

So maybe I should get all of the 3 mentioned, would be fun to get new experiences. aMT definitely felt like underwhelming mdma roll, like I was about to break through but couldnt quite get there.

 

[psy997]

I found 6-APB amazing. Extremely euphoric, more psychedelic than MDMA, but lacking the true empathy of MDMA instead made up by the kind of empathy one gets with amphetamines where it's more an enjoyment of communication than true empathy.

3-MeO-PCP is pretty damn amazing too, although 10mg might be a bit much for a first trial. aMT is also amazing. I did 50mg and had an absolutely stellar time, beautiful beautiful chemical.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah 50-60mg is my favorite dose, I used to use it WAYY too much and I would go up to 80mg, but still usually 60-65. If I were to do it again, I'd go with 50mg since it's been so long.

 

[Nexus_Tripper]

I wonder if some dumb losers are gonna start calling 2-MeO-Ephenidine MXE like they did with 2-MeO-diphenidine. MXP is 3-MeO-2-OxO-PCP. MXE is 3-MeO-2-OxO-PCE. No exceptions.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah the whole MXP naming thing the vendors did is pretty ridiculous for sure.

I wonder what 3-MeO-2-OxO-PCP would be like?

 

[Crashing]

Random thought - Stay off meth and kratom until November, then rock the Sufjan Stevens show with some AL-LAD i've got stashed away.

Always needing something to look forward to. Else i'm lookin' back.. yikes. Woo!

 

[Dawglaw]

I just opened a can on a prosecutor and judge. My client plead guilty to a MJ and booze dui and part of his probation is the requirement that he not consume MJ or ethanol. He has a MMJ card that has been prescribed by a licensed doctor in lieu of opiates for a major back injury. The prosecutor and the judge tried to tell him that he would face jail time (for probation violation) if he consumed MMJ per his doctor's advice.

The prosecutor had the balls to say, "Everyone knows that Medical Marijuana is a scam where you just pay so you can get high."

I was not having it and argued that it is not the place of the courts or prosecutors to second guess the legislature and undercut the advice of state licensed medical professionals. Furthermore, recreational marijuana is legal, why would someone spend the time to get a doctors rec if they can just go to the store to buy it. I said that the medical marijuana laws are still very gray and a case like this is perfect for the state supreme court to set the record straight about prosecutors and judges trying to interfere with medical advice.

The judge agreed.

 

[Xorkoth]

Nice man! Zing!

 

[solistus]

Always needing something to look forward to. Else i'm lookin' back.. yikes. Woo!

Words to live by! Looking back has its place, but you don't learn from the past by ruminating in it. Obsessing over past mistakes can warp your self-image and make you more likely to repeat them. I've always strived to be compassionate toward others, but it took me a long time to learn to show the same compassion toward myself, to stop self-identifying with a laundry list of shortcomings and failures and to define myself instead by the values and aspirations that have allowed me to overcome that list, and the continual process of growing, learning, and maturing into a person who more fully lives those values and pursues those aspirations. That's not to say I don't still make mistakes and fail at things, but when that happens now, my inner voice has at least begun the transition from screaming, "what the fuck is wrong with you? You're a lost cause!" to asking, "okay, how do I pick myself up and get back on track? Life is short and I have better things to do than beat myself up over this!"

Or to put that in the form of a pithy quote: "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better."

You got this, Crashing! Dealing with opiate and meth addiction simultaneously fuckin' sucks, but every day clean is another victory and every victory makes it fuckin' suck a little bit less. Having things to look forward to, and reminding yourself how much more you'll be able to enjoy them without multiple addictions basically dictating your life, helps a lot. Take it from a guy who was huddled up in bed in Chicago 6 months ago, in a cold sweat, getting up only to vomit, and who is now writing this from a lovely flat in East Paris while planning a trip to the Louvre tomorrow and booking accommodations for Amsterdam next week. Never would have even considered taking this trip while I was still using - why leave the place where I can get heroin for a place where I may not be able to? Even though I've wanted to visit Paris and Amsterdam since the first time I fell in love and smoked weed, respectively, not so long ago opiates ruled my life to the point that I would have denied myself the opportunity because it would cause discomfort. And yet, here I am - and I'm having a fuckin' blast

Okay, my words of solidarity turned into self-indulgent ex-junkie talk and then to vacation humblebragging. Oops, there I go with the self-judgments again. (I jest -- mostly.) Bonne nuit, mes amis!