🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

[unodelacosa]

Nitrous. Or as I like to call it: hippie crack
(Not to imply I don’t do N₂O, lol)

I always wonder if what we think is a "solution" can sometimes actually still have molecules kicking around in crystalline form, tiny little microscopic crystals, comprised of maybe 10 maybe 100 maybe 100000 molecules.. If this happens would we know it?

Yes, we would definitely know this. We know things don’t do this and can tell the difference between a suspension and a solution. And we can tell the difference between an unsaturated, saturated, and super saturated solution. What’s more, liquids can be analyzed under a microscope, and pH can be predicted based on presumed dissolution and subsequently verified

You know when you dissolve sugar in water, you see the crystals get smaller and smaller. Maybe they're breaking off tiny chunks of 10 sugar molecules at a time, still bound in crystal form but floating around in the water, and not fully breaking apart.

This is not how physics works.

Of course we'd never see that under a microscope.

Never?

But there must be other ways to detect that kind of thing, and surely someone has looked at this before.

Bingo. Right on both counts

 

[Jabberwocky]

Lol, nice

Thanks arrall! I like the title.

I'm going to a small Burn on Friday, gonna be there through Monday. So excited, it's the only Burn I've been to, but this will be the third time I've gone there. It got cancelled last year. I'm going with one of my best friends and his partner (also my good friend) and their kids (also my friends!), and we're camping in a theme camp this year, with some other friends. It's gonna be so much fun! I can't wait. I'm gonna trip a couple of times. Haven't decided on what yet, but definitely AMT one of the days, and probably DOC, or maybe I'll finally try DOB. I'm going to bring some mushrooms and DMT as "currency", since you don't spend money at a Burn (except to buy the ticket).

It's at a peacock farm in the low mountains, an extremely beautiful spot. About 300-400 people, so quite small, my favorite size of festival-type gathering.

Then the week after that, my band is playing a festival, the largest we've ever played, about 15-20 thousand people, I'm super excited about that. Then a few weeks after that, we're playing one of m favorite festivals, it'll be my 4th time playing that festival, it's about 700 people, but last time it was just perfect, so much fun, and I have some good friends coming who I am really glad to be able to be there with, including my buddy I used to be in a band with who joined another band who gigs constantly and I almost never see him, his band is also playing there. Then for a couple of weekends after that, we're doing some weekends across a few towns within a few hours, playing some great venues, and then at the end of July, me and my girlfriend are going to visit my family and we're going up to northern Wisconsin to my grandma's lake house which is where I grew up on the lake every summer, to one of my favorite places on the world. Then we have a few more festivals through the end of September. Summer is finally upon us! I'm really excited about it.

Xorkoth,

I was wrong about you all along, Higgs Boson Field Mechanics is real, and DOEs resolve international space time, the graviton constants, and the o.o process.
Oh The the gravity of my sins. Do please let me know if there is anything I can do for Your kind and keef to make this right.

On second thought maybe I could ask you a favor, as how you were disrespectful to me, maybe your guitar player friend could end the first set Nobody Loves Me Like Jesus -l Seven on GDOM7 - So Long by Majek Fashek, its my favorite song of all time.

Best Wishes, John

 

[perpetualdawn]

Never?

Never say never, but I imagine extreme difficulty in putting a suspension of water with 10-molecule-wide crystals in it in front of a lens, and being able to see those crystals. I know scanning electron microscopes can see down to atomic scales, but I think you'd need to get those suspended crystals to hold still in solution so you could actually see them - and you'd also have to see "through" the water molecules. Usually holding things still means getting them very cold, and then the solution is not a liquid anymore. So I don't think you could practically image a say 10-molecule crystal suspended in a liquid.

This is definitely armchair conjecture, I have very little chemistry education or experience, and I'm certain you have more authority on the subject, so interested to hear your response.

 

[perpetualdawn]

furthermore, to interact with a receptor, drugs have to be dissolved anyway. a hypothetical cluster of molecules couldn't interact just like that with a very specific receptor.

Yes that's true, but just to entertain this possibility of tiny crystals floating around (which I think is already adequately debunked, but just to continue with the "what if..") it could still affect the pharmacodynamics if those tiny crystals dissolved very slowly into single molecules. Perhaps the different forms of these tiny crystals would dissolve at varying rates and produce subtly different effects. This is really grasping at straws I know, but just to try to imagine a way to entertain this possibility, which is certainly an impossibility.

 

[Xorkoth]

Do you get a weird taste with those whip cream cartridges? I really like N20 on psychedelics but the weird taste turns me off. I don't know if its the taste of the gas or something else.

I remember the first time I tried it, was from a tank in a parkinglot at woodstock 97 was on acid and mushrooms and disolved into the fractals

I like the taste of nitrous, it tastes sweet.

Nitrous is pleasant without psychedelics, but with psychedelics it's infinitely better, you get just a moment of feeling like you just *get it*, you figured it out. You only retain tiny fragments, though. It seems like it picks up where it left off each time, and you remember all of the same stuff from all the other times.

 

[cosmic charlie]

ISI is a good, reputable brand. I don’t think you have anything to worry about.
I’ve been sticking with ultra purewhip lately as they give me the best effect, least amount of side effects.
I’ve been Interested in picking up one of those 580g tanks you can get on Amazon. The headshop by my house sells flavored tanks though I don’t know how I feel about inhaling flavors.

Saw these tanks on Amazon and the do seem really cool, from what I understand they generally equate to about a hundred chargers. They come with these plastic adapters that you use to dispense the Nitrous, sometimes people say those have issues breaking. You can buy a regulator for it tho and just hook that on to each tank as you go along, sometimes the tanks themselves have issues from what I read but that is from some of the shittier brands. I've heard that Great Whip makes really good ones and they are pretty cheap on the site. I do plan on trying these eventually tho but in the grand scheme chargers are kinda cheaper price wise. But for the ability to literally fill one balloon after another quickly and just keep going, I wanna do that.

 

[cosmic charlie]

Do you get a weird taste with those whip cream cartridges? I really like N20 on psychedelics but the weird taste turns me off. I don't know if its the taste of the gas or something else.

I remember the first time I tried it, was from a tank in a parkinglot at woodstock 97 was on acid and mushrooms and disolved into the fractals

Personally I love the way it tastes, and the way that it makes me feel. It's a really euphoric drug for me and I like to listen to music while I'm doing it. Me and my girl do balloons at the same time and just lay back and enjoy the ride, and then go again. The last chargers I got were from Blue Flag and they were good, but I hear these iSi ones are next level, very powerful stuff from what I understand.

 

[perpetualdawn]

Nitrous is pleasant without psychedelics, but with psychedelics it's infinitely better, you get just a moment of feeling like you just *get it*, you figured it out. You only retain tiny fragments, though. It seems like it picks up where it left off each time, and you remember all of the same stuff from all the other times.

Nitrous on its own seems pretty much pointless to me, but with psychedelics it really is a different thing. It's in the territory of peak 5-MeO-DMT come to think of it.

 

[Pfafffed]

If only that was the just egregious abuse of intellectual property laws by psychedelic capitalists.

"Compass has also applied to patent protocols for conducting psychedelic therapy, including conventions that have arguably been part of psychedelic therapy for decades, if not longer, such as soft furniture and “reassuring physical contact.” As one critic put it to me, Compass was trying to patent hugging."

The High-Stakes Race to Engineer New Psychedelic Drugs

As psychedelic therapies for mental health go mainstream, companies are recruiting chemists to create patentable versions of hallucinogens. Critics say it’s all a bad trip.

www.wired.com

 

[unodelacosa]

All I'm saying is, the nature of reality and chemistry is something we have only been able to really dig deep into for the past hundred years or so. It seems cavalier to me to declare that what we know now is the pinnacle, that there are no mysteries or secrets left. That has never been the case before, ever, in human history; why would it be now? I think it's important to keep an open mind and not fall into the trap of thinking what we know is complete and infalliable.

I think you misinterpreted a bit of hyperbole I used there. In no way was I implying omniscience or that "what we know now is the pinnacle, that there are no mysteries or secrets left." That's an unreasonable extreme, don't you think? It would be comically arrogant, not to mention ignorant, for virtually anyone to think that… I mean, how about giving me more credit than that? is what I'm saying, bruv, ouch… I'm a little butt-hurt over here, lol

(EDIT: People misinterpret me often enough on this forum that I feel obligated to clarify – I'm mostly just kidding, and my feelings are not actually hurt. I just mean, I would hope by now you know I'm not some extremist and I rarely speak in absolutes. And my point is that we really do know quite a staggering amount of shit regarding this particular field of physical science, but I guess that's a bit subjective, isn't it? Anyway, I have nothing but respect for you, Xor-Xor No offense was intended. You seemed a bit defensive, which was never my intention.)

You know when you dissolve sugar in water, you see the crystals get smaller and smaller. Maybe they're breaking off tiny chunks of 10 sugar molecules at a time, still bound in crystal form but floating around in the water, and not fully breaking apart. Of course we'd never see that under a microscope. But there must be other ways to detect that kind of thing, and surely someone has looked at this before.

There's really no reason for these what ifs… or rather, what ifs are fine, there's just no reason to leave them unanswered.

Short wikipedia article – a succinct explanation of solvation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvation
And here's one on solubility: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solubility

Hope that helps

 

[Mjäll]

Well I splurged today and bought one of those iSi Nitrous Dispensers {cost eighty dollars} the really nice stainless steel ones so it will last forever, and is also safest cuz I heard about some of the cheap ones exploding. Also forked out the extra money for the heavy duty steel nozels as well instead of using the plastic ones it comes with {hear those can break after awhile, these steel ones were thirty bucks} Have 150 of their chargers coming as well which contain 8.4 grams so they are slightly larger, they also supposed to have the best quality gas. After this all I will need to pickup up is cart's for now on and balloons when I need more...

They maybe more expensive than some other brands but everyone on Reddit says they are worth it. I'm still gonna use balloons tho and put them on the nozzle, that way I can load up 4 carts worth in a balloon and really blast off. Hopefully that also helps to limit whatever oily residue and whatnot we are exposed to. It would be gathering in the dispenser and balloons amirite?

Had so much fun with the n2O last week and it's something that I plan on doing weekly for the time being. Can't wait until I can start combining with some Psychedelics like the 4-AcO-DMT I'm sure that is going to be epic.

The only drug I have every combined it with was MDMA back in the day which was fun, but I'm sure a Tryptamine will be a whole other animal. Been working my ass off this week it's been super busy at my job, really looking for to spending time with my girl this weekend.

Do any of you have experience with iSi brand n2O products?

I really just wanna advise some caution because there are irreversible nightmare cases of B12 deficiency. This includes the legendary dude who coined the term "gascid" in some mega trip report here on BL.

It's something i've worried about, being a semi regular nitrous head for years.

The available information seems to be that if you take enough nitrous (about 46 minutes of anaesthesia, whatever the cartridge equivalent) to temporarily inactivate B12, it takes a couple of days to normalize. Doing it weekly may not give enough time to reset and have healthy B12 levels over time. It can lead to nerve damage ultimately. First signs are toe tingles. I have avoided it so far but worry quite a bit. If you feel any symptoms of B12 deficiency it's probably best to discontinue nitrous.

Not intending to spoil the fun and i really don't care either way. You are of course a stranger online but we happen to share this weird pastime so i feel like sharing this.

 

[Mjäll]

Do you get a weird taste with those whip cream cartridges? I really like N20 on psychedelics but the weird taste turns me off. I don't know if its the taste of the gas or something else.

I remember the first time I tried it, was from a tank in a parkinglot at woodstock 97 was on acid and mushrooms and disolved into the fractals

Pretty sure it's the petrol type impurities giving some of the taste, although the fresh sweetness might be the N2O itself.

 

[Mjäll]

Speaking of awesome shit, this song is so bomb

 

[cosmic charlie]

I really just wanna advise some caution because there are irreversible nightmare cases of B12 deficiency. This includes the legendary dude who coined the term "gascid" in some mega trip report here on BL.

It's something i've worried about, being a semi regular nitrous head for years.

The available information seems to be that if you take enough nitrous (about 46 minutes of anaesthesia, whatever the cartridge equivalent) to temporarily inactivate B12, it takes a couple of days to normalize. Doing it weekly may not give enough time to reset and have healthy B12 levels over time. It can lead to nerve damage ultimately. First signs are toe tingles. I have avoided it so far but worry quite a bit. If you feel any symptoms of B12 deficiency it's probably best to discontinue nitrous.

Not intending to spoil the fun and i really don't care either way. You are of course a stranger online but we happen to share this weird pastime so i feel like sharing this.

I've been reading more and more threads about people having issues and I am gonna switch to one day binge every two weeks. And then also be supplementing with B-12 everyday for here on out. This will also allow me to make my cartridges last longer, my girlfriend has Anemia from being deficient in iron, do you think it'd possible for her to do it once a month safely if she supplements with iron and b12. She is gonna be bummed out not being able to do it with me but I said I won't let her at all until I find out more info, and even then she can only do it once a month if not even more time off. It sucks cuz she really likes it, but hey I watch her smoke weed and don't get to partake, so she is gonna have to let me live with my n20...

 

[Jabberwocky]

The key to all our problems is the C Major 5th Chord. Immediately revise.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

Blackhawk's Mindbio Therapeutics Announces Research Collaborators at University of Auckland Receive Grant Funding of $1.44 Million for LSD Microdosing Trials in Major Depressive Disorder

www.thenewswire.com

NZ gov is funding 1.44 million dollars for more LSD research. Phase 1 trials are complete soon to be published now phase 2.

LEGALIZE LSD !!!!

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

We talked about saunas some time ago.
I took my first one earlier, very hot, lots of steam, classic sauna I guess

 

[porkstock]

Anyone else in here never tried nitrous?

I’ve been watching so many podcasts and interviews, many of them about DMT, that I’ve got a real itch to revisit the molecule. I’ve only ever smoked it in my bong, sandwiched between weed...and im currently on weed “detox” so that I’ll be able to pass a piss test for a new job. Day 3 and it’s probably the only 3 days of the entire last year that I haven’t smoked (or maybe almost the last 3 years...when I had to quit for the job i have now)

Also thought about some LSD today. There is a hot air balloon festival going on and last year i dropped L. Could try to make a tradition out of it haha, but not really the best time to trip when I’m dealing with slight nausea and difficulty sleeping.

Pretty proud of myself for going two straight days with zero drugs of any kind. Didn’t even drink coffee
“Relapsed” tonight with a single beer. Gonna keep trying this sober life for a little bit. And the job thing came at a perfect time. We are going to disney world in about two weeks, so I can deal with the mild “withdrawal”’symptoms now instead of on vacation.

 

[tired of crap]

So I tried ~45mg of DPT last night. Split in half about 10/15 minutes apart.


It was such a light and fluffy powder and looked like a whole heck of a lot to insufflate all at once that I decided to split it in half. I smelled/tasted very much like dmt; very floral ("indole"-ish" if you will"). There was almost no burn. At all ...lol... and to think I was apprehensive about that. But the drip, occasionally, caused me to become nauseous.

The experience was rather.... light, I suppose..., but I felt so grounded.

I sat around a fire, with a close friend while he rambled on and on about his troubles (... it almost seemed intrusive lol). It was a rather euphoric/sensual buzz. Seemed similar to a low dose of (vapourized) dmt. At points it felt like it could turn into something more "serious" (/confusing).

I want to push it furthur (lol.. iykyk)
But insufflating it seems like itd be rather difficult, due to the voluminous nature of the substance. So Ill likely try a IR next

 

[cosmic charlie]

Does anyone know if βk-MDA ever made the rounds as an RC? Would it be similar to Methylone in action, the Wikipedia article says that it's an empathogenic drug. It doesn't seem to be scheduled anywhere but in the UK. Would this work as recreational drug?