🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

[unodelacosa]

They won’t even let you smoke/vape in Disneyworld though.

Ok, yeah, when you're on premises this might be true, but you're not going to be spending 24/7 at Disneyworld, are you? And as if it's difficult to surreptitiously hit a vape pen. You know you can break the rules a little bit. So long as you're careful doing it, you'll even get away with it. Kinda like: when you're on the highway and the speed limit is 55 mph, do you limit your speed to exactly 55 mph or do you tend to keep up with traffic and speed 5- to 10-mph faster? I know, I do. Similarly I get high at Disneyworld. It's what Walt Disney would want.

No point in bringing smokables. I easily smuggled a tab of LSD to Florida in my luggage though, that was interesting to do at Epcot.

At any given moment, there's almost always at least a ten strip of acid in my wallet… I don't even think about it anymore, lol

I mean, you know, obviously you're gonna do what you're gonna do, and I have no vested interest in trying to convince you otherwise. In the end, it's about comfortability, and if you're not comfortable sneaking a few drugs to Florida to “enhance the Disney experience”, shall we say, then skip it. It affects me not. I'm just trying to let you know you can easily circumvent both problems. I do it every time I fly to Florida, usually at least once or twice a year. (My GF has family there).

 

[porkstock]

You guys are making me wanna drop acid at Disney
I've enjoyed that particular substance far and wide. In the Alaskan wilderness, on the beach of Mexico...at a concert in Toronto, Canada lol.
It's day 8 of my weed break and I seem to be replacing it with a nightly beer - prob more unhealthy. Currently sipping on a juice force IPA tallboy. 9.5% and it tastes like fruit. Enough to get me pretty much drunk since my alcohol tolerance is next to nothing
Unodelacosa...I have a feeling you might not have kids?

 

[unodelacosa]

Not so sure why you're so set on me not taking a break from weed. It'll be ok dude

Oh whoops, I'm talking to two different people here. Let me repeat what I said earlier:

> "I mean, you know, obviously you're gonna do what you're gonna do, and I have no vested interest in trying to convince you otherwise. In the end, it's about comfortability, and if you're not comfortable sneaking a few drugs to Florida to “enhance the Disney experience”, shall we say, then skip it. It affects me not. I'm just trying to let you know you can easily circumvent both problems. I do it every time I fly to Florida, usually at least once or twice a year. (My GF has family there)."​

So to be clear, I don't really give a fuck; was just trying to help you out by pointing out an unnecessary fear you're harboring. I can see my help isn't appreciated though, so you know like 12-steppers like to say: if it doesn't apply, let it fly.

I honestly find it easier to just quit for awhile than to tape someone else urine to my leg in a condom and worry about spilling it or some shit.

I agree it's undignified, but then so is some employer asking you to pee in a cup so they can analyze the results and dictate what you do with your body. That, to me, is a bigger loss of dignity. But do what you like, just don't cast your aspersions at me for suggesting an alternative approach to indignity.

What's "worth it" to you and worth it to me are different things.

I think it has more to do with the realistic our view of the matter is along with how severely we regard the consequences.

My degree is a PhD in biochem, not a pharmD, but yeah a lot of school, and I don't even make 140k (yet)

Wow, that is so much education. But good on you for going through with it all. Where did you attend go to school if I may ask?

Weed does all those things for me to, but because I'm mildly addicted to it.

I've tested this theory out for myself on my own. Personally, I'm okay maintaining a little low-level "addiction" (if you insist on that word) to cannabis, even preferring it to having zero tolerance, where, like you pointed out, it becomes harder to gauge how high you get.

If I had never started smoking, I doubt I would "need" it to prevent losing my temper or appetite.

There's no way to tell. But by all means, torture yourself if you must. Haha, I'm just teasing you – there's nothing wrong with a tolerance break anyways. If in the end you regret it and wish you had taken my advice, don't say you weren't warned I've been down this road.

On a different topic, I just looked up the Shulgin Index (book after phikal and TiHKAL). The damn thing is $1000 on Amazon! Anyone ever lay eyes on it? Even a digital version?

I know, right!? And hell yes, I have a print copy of it myself. I did not realize how rare it had become evidently. I used to have a copy of Strike's Total Synthesis II and Sources as well, but the Feds confiscated them during my arrest for manufacturing MDMA over 20 years ago.

Gonna do a real dig later to try and find some more of shulgins work to read. I've been flipping through PiHKAL and TiHKAL a lot lately. So many compounds I have never read about or at least not retained the info. I tended to focus on the ones that were available (at least to you guys)...

This is part of what inspired my own foray into clandestine chemistry – there were compounds I wanted to try that simply were not available. I think one of the most rare compounds I've had that I manufactured was DMMDA-2 from Indian Dill Seed Oil. I also made its n-methyl structural analogue and tasted it as well (it's not very active, turns out, but there was some activity).

At this juncture, I imagine an MBA wouldn't hurt, but I suspect you're about through with anymore school… Lord knows I would be. I have some gripes about the Academic-Industrial complex sometimes… but it's prolly mostly just a proverbial chip on my shoulder. What do I know?

 

[porkstock]

Yeah no more school for me! Do you have a chemistry degree. By the content of some of your posts, I had assumed you have some type of formal education.

Reading so much about psychedelic chemistry lately...I kinda wish I had studied chemistry more or at least paid more attention. My biochem degree is kinda misleading - my biochem is pretty weak, I'm pretty much a pure biologist. And my PhD work was heavy in genetics rather than biochem, but it was the biochem department so that's what it is.

I've not heard of the two books you mention. Is the Shulgin index laid out like PiHKAL or is it more technical and lab notebook-ish. That's pretty rad that you have a copy, I shoulda grabbed one when it first came out.

 

[unodelacosa]

You guys are making me wanna drop acid at Disney
I've enjoyed that particular substance far and wide. In the Alaskan wilderness, on the beach of Mexico...at a concert in Toronto, Canada lol.
It's day 8 of my weed break and I seem to be replacing it with a nightly beer - prob more unhealthy. Currently sipping on a juice force IPA tallboy. 9.5% and it tastes like fruit. Enough to get me pretty much drunk since my alcohol tolerance is next to nothing
Unodelacosa...I have a feeling you might not have kids?

You feel correctly there, my friend. Nothing against anyone who has them, but my GF and I both do not want children and refuse to play along with the unconstitutional concept of marriage, opting instead for a domestic partnership so as to afford us the same HIPAA rights & whatnot. But then if I refer to her as my partner, ppl automatically will assume said partner is of the same sex and that I'm gay – not that there's anything wrong with being gay, but there's also no sense in putting out the wrong message or inadvertently misleading ppl.

And yeah, when I was on probation following my stint in prison I had to pass urinalysis to avoid violating probation. They tend to do this heavily for the first 90 days, then they just call you in once in a while and always with enough time to get clean if you know what you're doing (and have sufficiently low body fat %, believe it or not), so cannabis was out for a while, and that's when I started becoming an alcoholic, basically, which runs in my family, on both sides. After 18 months, I was released from probation early since it's not that hard to avoid drugs, keep a job, report all earnings on time, and get permission to travel out-of-state. But by then, I was still just drinking like a fish. I hated it. I saw myself heading directly toward the miserable alcoholic existence I had watched my dad, my maternal grandfather, and my uncle live.

You rarely hear much good about this drug, but do you know what finally broke me from that spell? Methamphetamine. I began using it again with the utmost caution and care, and it reinvigorated my life, helped me dry out and get my shit together. Everyone loves to trash talk it or tell some harrowing tale of how they fucked up really badly by recklessly abusing meth, and it's like, yeah no shit. Don't abuse it. Just use it responsibly. But you know, whatever. One person's trash is another's treasure and all that.

 

[unodelacosa]

Is the Shulgin index laid out like PiHKAL or is it more technical and lab notebook-ish.

The latter. It is for sure a reference manual. I haven't looked for a torrent, but I imagine one exists out there somewhere. … Oh, I was about to say I'd rather give the one grand to Ann Shulgin, but then I just remembered she passed recently, may she rest in peace.

Currently sipping on a juice force IPA tallboy. 9.5% and it tastes like fruit.

Don't fruit the beer!

Lol, but seriously, that sounds awful; though to be fair, I dislike IPAs, the ethanol buzz/hangover, and its dulling of my mind and senses. GABAergics bore me. Besides, to me, ethanol is a solvent and a sterilizing agent that just happens to be a low-level intoxicant, and a dangerous one at that, if socially acceptable… In my 40s now, and hangovers suck motherfucking balls these days… like for reals they savage the fuck outta me, but when I was younger? No problems. So I only drink socially when and as required to. I subscribe to the philosophy: one drink is too many, two drinks is just right, and three is never enough. Therefore two is always my limit, if I must drink.

Do you not live in a state with legal medicinal cannabis? Get a license to smoke and no company has the right to deny you your medicine. And frankly, this is how I choose to see it. I will straight up lose my fucking shit over something, and my GF will be like, "Babe, have you smoked any weed yet today?" and she's right. And the reason I think this isn't just caused by the weed in the first place, is during spells in which I'm eschewing cannabis use, I'm a fairly intense, on-edge person, which is in my nature. Cannabis stabilizes my mood. Even on this forum, I'm well known to some for being on the intense side. I'm aware of this (know thyself), but I also think sometimes ppl mistake my use of hyperbole and fits of enthusiasm as being more serious-minded than they actually are.

Plenty of ppl harbor a low-level addiction to daily coffee use. Plenty of those ppl would have a terrible morning if they couldn't get any caffeine, yet society doesn't shame them or give them crap for it, calling them addicts and shit. The whole thing is hypocritical, don't you think?

Anyway, I double-majored in music composition and computer science. I dropped out to pursue business ventures. Ultimately, I'm a proud autodidact, and I have a philosophy that all of us teach ourselves anything we truly know. A teacher can present the material. A good teacher/tutor will do a good job of explaining it, even, but to learn anything, the receiver of that communication on the opposite end of the presenter/teacher must still be willing, capable, and able to learn and that comes down to each person teaching it to themselves.

It's like all of us having this part of us separate from the brain, call it your mind or spirit or whatever. And the trick to success is managing, training, and putting our brains to use in the most functional, efficacious manner possible to see optimal results. Make sense?

Anyway, my unsolicited $0.02 is: drinking sucks, herb is bomb. Get a medical license and tell all the haters to fuck off. That would be metal

 

[porkstock]

I'm in NJ where rec was just legalized but that doesn't mean shit for pharma companies that have to follow federal guidelines. Personally, I wish to avoid addiction to coffee as well. I picked up that habit after my 2nd daughter was born and refused to sleep. Although I don't seem to get withdrawals from that when I abstain.

 

[Innerpeace]

I'm in NJ where rec was just legalized but that doesn't mean shit for pharma companies that have to follow federal guidelines. Personally, I wish to avoid addiction to coffee as well. I picked up that habit after my 2nd daughter was born and refused to sleep. Although I don't seem to get withdrawals from that when I abstain.

I've had about 32-64 oz of zero calorie tea going on over a year now, upon waking. If I don't drink it, or take in any caffeine, I've gotten a constricting headache. This is the only side effect youll go through a few days then theyre gone. Could always replace with nicotine gum, or another stimulate but Im okay drinking zero cal tea everyday. Taste awesome especially since watching calories, especially fats and carbs.

In addition cannabis has been happening most days, most days very small amount maybe ten tokes, some days more. Yesterday I took a pre workout, which been doing once a week for past few weeks, and didnt get around to smoking. Took L theanine for first time in a long time, and sleep was oh so refreshing, so much better than cannabis, even the higher indica strains, more than likely because dreaming was enhanced, plus the l theanine helped. The best way I know of to quit is scale back, then every other day, then stop, which I think would be better than cold turkey, but it depends on what it is, cannabis ive scaled back to every other day and a couple times a week, caffiene ive done cold turkey many times, same with ephedrine.

 

[CRYSTAL8]

A bit harsh don't you think? I think the reason people might feel upset about patents for psychedelics is that we feel that psychedelics should be for everyone, not for profit. And patents on drugs are part of why pharmaceuticals are so insanely expensive... patents lead to monopolies, which lead to out of control prices

You know what else is insanely expensive? Making, studying and selling pharmaceuticals in this day and age. The standard pharmaceutical that makes it to the market costs 1-3 billion dollars from start to finish, undergoes approx. 6500 experiments and uses over 400 researchers per drug on average. That's a fuckload of money for one pharmaceutical. Patents lead to short term monopolies (you ever heard of "patent cliff"?) and are necessary in order for pharm. companies to not go out of business after bringing a drug to the market, especially if you're not J&J or Pfizer. Besides all of that, the main goal should be legalization of psychedelics which gets a whole lot easier when people start making money off them. And it's not like the average joe all of a sudden doesn't have access to mushroom spores anymore, if they don't wanna spend money on pharmaceutical psilocybin... There's thousands of people rotting in prison cells and dying of overdoses left an right because of an uncontrolled black market and people complain about the immorality of patenting DMT vapes smh.

 

[unodelacosa]

You know what else is insanely expensive? Making, studying and selling pharmaceuticals in this day and age. The standard pharmaceutical that makes it to the market costs 1-3 billion dollars from start to finish, undergoes approx. 6500 experiments and uses over 400 researchers per drug on average. That's a fuckload of money for one pharmaceutical. Patents lead to short term monopolies (you ever heard of "patent cliff"?) and are necessary in order for pharm. companies to not go out of business after bringing a drug to the market, especially if you're not J&J or Pfizer. Besides all of that, the main goal should be legalization of psychedelics which gets a whole lot easier when people start making money off them. And it's not like the average joe all of a sudden doesn't have access to mushroom spores anymore, if they don't wanna spend money on pharmaceutical psilocybin... There's thousands of people rotting in prison cells and dying of overdoses left an right because of an uncontrolled black market and people complain about the immorality of patenting DMT vapes smh.

This… all day long, this. Can't agree more.

I mean, the profit incentive is what drives c®apitalism™, @Xorkoth, and in 'MMMMMMmmmmmmmuricca

[cue the overhead fireworks and an explosion of doves into the air as a stars-and-stripes-clad Evel Knievel soars over the Grand Canyon on his motorbike, high-fiving a bald eagle while just above them three F-15s screech through the near heavens, barrel-rolling into formation just as the stuntman finishes the jump, sparks exploding from his miraculous landing like so many sparklers on the Fourth of July… Mmmurrica. Fuck yeah. Coming again to save the motherfuckin' DAY YEAH!]…​

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[CLOSEUP, Uno Delacosa lowers Saigon-mirrored sunglasses over eyes. Camera pans back to reveal Uno speeding away on a Ducati, the sprawling Neo Tokyo receding in the background with ultra-sophisticated parallax motion, especially for 1988… ]​

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Oops… excuse me, got lost in a reverie there… and wound up once again in the immortal animated classic, Akira, which I cannot recommend highly enough, even if you don't like Anime. Just see this movie (with subtitles). It's gangster as fuck. Anyways, in America there's an attempt to balance out this profit incentive by making the patent on pharmaceuticals expire after 17 years. It's a decent compromise, and until drugs can just become magically free … I mean, what's next? You know? Are we gonna debate Marxism? Leninism? Trotskyism? Should we explore the virtues of political anarchism and discuss the political loop closure that occurs when you take either the extreme left or the extreme right far enough? Are we ready to tackle some Noam Chomsky around here or what?

Idk where I'm going with all of this, and I'm kind of tripping face right now on 2C-B, so just generally speaking, don't mind me, guys. I'll just be over here dancing to a different drummer, so to speak… Love you, guys. Mean it. Not just the phenethylamine talkin'

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

Nice, I wanted to say similar things yesterday while on 2 2C-B pills but I'm not as proficient when tripping face. Sadly. It takes forever

Have great festivals and weekend!

 

[unodelacosa]

Personally, I wish to avoid addiction to coffee as well.

Did you know that the word "addiction" actually translates as "spoken for"? Hence why "diction" is in the word. It's a ridiculous metaphor and more or less pseudoscience that we all like to pretend is real. Yet at the same time, for supposedly being a "disease" we sure take the word addiction pretty lightly. It's not at all uncommon for someone to say casually in conversation something like: "oh my gerbs, I can't stop eating this Chex Mix; it's so addicting."

The medical terms are generally dependency and tolerance, that dynamic duo. "Psychological addiction" is nothing more than compulsive behavior patterns stemming from obsessive-compulsive disorder. I think some people get caught between a desire to self-medicate due to undiagnosed mental problems coupled with an underlying, clinical OCD and it manifests as substance abuse sometimes.

No one is "spoken for" by caffeine, that's ridiculous. Also, even if you are low-level dependant and tolerant on caffeine, keep in mind how abundant and cheap coffee and tea are. It's an easy habit to maintain and it brings happiness to many people each day. Hooray for caffeine. Stopping it cold turkey is a little shitty, but it's not that bad. And too much caffeine just plain sucks.

And where do you draw the line? I mean from some perspective, I am horribly addicted to respiration / oxygen inhalation. And if I don't get my fix, I'll die. See what I mean?

Take L-theanine with your caffeine. It helps a lot and is a good cognitive enhancer…

 

[cosmic charlie]

Take L-theanine with your caffeine. It helps a lot and is a good cognitive enhancer…

I've got these capsules that contain Caffeine/L-Theanine in an even ratio at 100mgs each and they are pretty useful. It's my alternative to Energy Drinks, very easy to use I just pop them with a juice or a cup of coffee like I did just now. I had two of them with the coffee and that's a decent amount of Caffeine but the L-Theanine smoothens out the effects, they are truly made for one another. I have a sensitive stomach and can't really consume more than a cup of coffee per day without issues so these let me get higher doses in my system without the side effects like acid reflux.

Can't wait to do my Nitrous tomorrow I look forward to this all week, it's such a wonderful treat. I'm pretty addicted to the stuff psychologically already, having it in my girlfriend's possession and her living in another state is my saving grace. Tommorow is gonna be the biggest binge yet with 150 cartridges I can make fifty fat balloons for us. I'm gonna do a third of the chargers and then take a break for awhile, eat lunch and cuddle with her. Then go back for the next 50 pack, putting on a new album for every period of indulgence. Then after that case is killed wait awhile later then do the last of them and leave the Nos alone of two weeks.

I'm gonna be buying a box of 300 ultra-purewhip cartridges when I get paid. I'll be able to get two weekends out of that lot for sure...

 

[Deleted member 521610]

soo random question does anybody else if they are sober get like psychedelic type visuals when having sex?. Cause i sure as fuck do Open eye and closed eye. Though i also have had Synesthesia my entire life. I nearly had a fucking ego death at the point of climax

 

[cosmic charlie]

soo random question does anybody else if they are sober get like psychedelic type visuals when having sex?. Cause i sure as fuck do Open eye and closed eye. Though i also have had Synesthesia my entire life. I nearly had a fucking ego death at the point of climax

Yes, the second time I had sex in my life as I closed my eyes when I climaxed I saw this CEV that was a sun rising with these orange and red colors surrounding it. Really beautiful and whenever I think about that time I always remember. It felt absolutely euphoric for like half hour proceeding the first few times i slept with a girl.

 

[unodelacosa]

I've been thinking more about my (lack of) love life lately and I know that this sounds corny, but even more than the sex I miss the intimacy. Holding hands with a woman when both of your palms are all sweaty with nerves. Snuggling on the couch like you're hanging onto each other for dear life. Sharing a bowl of popcorn. Just looking into her eyes and knowing what she's thinking without saying a word.

Yeah, I guess I'm just a true romantic at heart.

Virtually everyone craves that connection to another human being. This is the essential cruel and unusual punishment of incarceration and that's without even considering the 13th amendment's backdoor to modern day slavery. This violates the 8th amendment protection against cruel and unusual punishment…

One day society will look back on, first, disciplinary segregation, and then eventually all incarceration as being the barbarism that it is.

 

[porkstock]

Is that Voodoo Ranger? I chugged two of those like water when they first came out and had a headache the entire night! They taste deceptively mild.

Yeah, you got it. Stuff could get dangerous. The one tall can was enough for me!

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

I'm back from Amsterdam, for what are classically the most fun days of the year
Fantastic festival, although it wasn't 2019 magic were everything was just top tier. I tripped on the first day, when it was still in venues around the city, 2 2C-B pills that are probably 16-18mg. I'm no festival tripper, it's a very non-trivial thing to do for me but in those venues where you're just sitting down in the very best music listening rooms I've ever experienced it just works amazingly. The trip itself was very emotional and there were some very euphoric moments, I wanted to put myself in that position as I had the music and it forces this loose attitude and the guy that is just solving all these situations with ease out of me, standard guy at home would be wailing over all the dumb stuff going on, maybe, I'm not entirely sure on that last part.

2C-E in lower dosages, ~12mg is the superior drug for the occasion though, excellent auditory effects, less peak oriented (and longer), still quite practical and you have the methodical headspace which works really well for ambient music. To me the point of ambient is not the sounds themselves, but it's an invitation to think, and the really good ones will go even further and show you how to think. Such experiences are hard for me to recreate sober & at home, and so I rarely end up listening any.

Other days were lots of dancing, definitely went for a very dance heavy parcours through the line up! I don't mind at all.

No meds for 4 days either, except a mere 50mg of Seroquel. No Strattera either, which had been months so the ADHD was happily roaming free. Good stuff, I'll still be in my shitty little rut but now I'm pretty sure it's all external factors, which is good

 

[cosmic charlie]

Just looking thru the PD index now and I can't find a big/small and dandy thread for 25E-NBOH and I really would like to read as much about it as possible. I'm going to be getting some to explore and I figure it's time for me to start studying up on the drug like I do with all the psychdelics I take. This is the one from that series that I am most interested in it being that 2C-E is pretty much my favorite drug in the world. Thinking I am gonna start super low like 250ugs and work my way up over a period of months giving myself plenty of time to reset tolerance. Will most definitely be writing reports on my findings...

 

[arrall]

I can't find a big/small and dandy thread for 25E-NBOH

This is the closest we have:

Phenethylamines - The Big and Dandy 25x-NBOH Megathread | Post your 25x-NBOH info and questions here.

I thought it would be nice to have a spot where all of the various 25x-NBOH series can be discussed as a group or individually, questions can be answered, and information can be dispersed. Relate your usage and discuss!

bluelight.org

I’d also recommend checking the Trip Reports section and Erowid.