SuperPsych
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What dose did you Jump off at? I've been on it for a year now. Got up to 16mg/day, but have been tapering and am now down to 8mg a day, but I've been stuck here for a while
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Oh man I was just doing it for recreation at 500ug or less, I think I was doing 3-400ug the last days before jumping off because I couldn't get myself to reduce usage. I have an insanely low natural tolerance to opioids even after a year on bupre with some methadone at the beginning.
Usually I taper to 100ug or less before CTing but this time I had to make a tough decision and quit.
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Good for you for making the decision to quit! It's never easy. Has it been rough? I imagine even at 500ug or less the WDs arre no joke. I kinda wish I had never started Suboxone. I mean it has been helpful in getting me through this last year. It just seems so hard to reduce the dosage, let alone quit. I got on it for a 30g per day Kratom addiction. I did try tapering kratom but I fouund it to be impossible. despite being a shitty high, I still found Kratom to be moreish.
My current method is basically to take less than I'm prescribed in a day. So I'm prescribed 10mg per day, but have been taking around 8mg. Some days I'll take 6mg, some days I'll take the full 10mg; depending on how I'm feeling. When I'm jump down again and am prescribed 8mg/d, I'll probably try to only take 6mg/d. Then I'll continue that until I'm prescribed 2mg and I'll keep on going until I'm at 200ug or so a day and then I quit.
Buprenorphine is a great medicine for us opioid addicts who need time getting their lives together, but holy shit, it is really hard to get off of. Sometimes I'm tempted to switch back to kratom then when I'm addicted to that again then I can do a quicker suboxone taper since I wouldn't be reintroducing it at 16mg. I dont know though. We'll see how it goes once I get down to 4mg or less
Also, 3-MeO-PCE is an interesting one. It's definitely worth a try. It seems like most people prefer it over 3-MeO-PCP, but I never really understood why. 3-MeO-PCP is one of my all-time favorite chemicals, whereas 3-MeO-PCE is probably closer to the bottom of my list of preferred dissociatives. I've gone through a gram of 3-MeO-PCE and I honestly didn't care for it much and didn't appreciate the effects for the first 950mg; but during those last few experiences I really started to see the magic and beauty in that chemical. Better late than never I guess. Needless to say, I will be getting more when I can. I never got the chance to mix it with a psychedelic which I've heard great things about.
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It's no different than other psilocybin. Bunch of venture capitalist funding behind Compass, trying to maximize market share through anti-competitive practices. They're well-funded bad actors in the space. https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkpg7b/synthetic-psilocybin-patent-challenge-compass-pathways
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Well, I hope the stuff I've had sitting on the shelf for seven years is still good. Hehhhh
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Kinda disappointing that Nichols is on the patent. Wonder how he's affiliated with the company
god why does everyone cry over scientists being in patents, it’s pathetic.
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I also got on suboxone for kratom. Reason being, kratom is virtually impossible for me to taper, and the restless limbs are the worst of any opioid I've been addicted to, when on a high dose. Considering that the restlessness is the worst withdrawal symptom for me by far (depression and anxiety and the flu I can handle, the inability to sit still or sleep for weeks on end is its own special kind of hell), and considering it gets worse every time and by now it's like the 20th time I've tried to come off of it, and suboxone seemed like the only solution.
I actually find suboxone pretty easy to get down to 2mg... 2mg is the receptor saturation level. Below 2mg is hard, though. I very recently came down to 0.5mg, but I reduced much too fast, trying to get down to zero before I ran out, which involved dropping from 2mg with only 12mg left. After 3 days of 0.5mg, and then one day of nothing, I was about to order poppy pods or O-DSMT, and did buy kratom. So I got a suboxone prescription. Now I'm back at about 6mg, and going to do a long, slow taper, dropping by 10% per week, and try to get down to 0.05mg before I jump off, and pick a time when I don't have an extremely demanding work/band schedule. I think I could have done it, even so, but I am in way too intense a spot with both of my careers, and I can't afford to be nonfunctional for 2+ weeks. It feels like a step backwards, but I also feel very functional right now, and I am starting to get into a workout routine... when I am working out daily, dropping off opiates is much more successful. Plus I feel 10 times better in every way I can think of.
A bit harsh don't you think? I think the reason people might feel upset about patents for psychedelics is that we feel that psychedelics should be for everyone, not for profit. And patents on drugs are part of why pharmaceuticals are so insanely expensive... patents lead to monopolies, which lead to out of control prices.
cosmic charlie
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Well I got some good news, my 5 cases of Nitrous, Cracker and Balloons have arrived and me and my woman will be having a fun time this Saturday. Planning on trying to fit two or three cartridges into a punch balloon for her and the same for me and go for a simultaneous blast off in the back of the car once we are parked in our little hide away. I'm thinking we will use a case or two a week between us and really explore the mindstate. She is gonna be on some Delta-8-THC gummies {using 100-150mgs} generally, the combo should be nice it's the same thing she did at the Dead Show. Think it's a good thing I will only have access to the stuff once a week it will prevent me from doing too much. But even with weekly use do you have think I should be supplementing with B-12?
Always had a real fondness for MDA during my late teens and twenties I did quite a bit of it and had some incredible experiences. There was these ecstasy pills in my area at one point called G's up How's down that were high doses MDA at one point and we're so damn good, euphoric and heart opening bliss. The visuals that accompanied the roll were really beautiful.
MDMA is wonderful too but my goodness what epic times I had with those things. First time I took MDA was in this press that was a Sunflower and was 18 years old, it was my first proper roll the other time before that I took a Four Leaf clover MDMA pill when I was younger but it was nowhere near as strong as that Sunflower was. Think I liked the 6-APB so much because of the glowing experiences I had with MDA earlier in my life, those drugs share such a similarity.
Always had a real fondness for MDA during my late teens and twenties I did quite a bit of it and had some incredible experiences. There was these ecstasy pills in my area at one point called G's up How's down that were high doses MDA at one point and we're so damn good, euphoric and heart opening bliss. The visuals that accompanied the roll were really beautiful.
MDMA is wonderful too but my goodness what epic times I had with those things. First time I took MDA was in this press that was a Sunflower and was 18 years old, it was my first proper roll the other time before that I took a Four Leaf clover MDMA pill when I was younger but it was nowhere near as strong as that Sunflower was. Think I liked the 6-APB so much because of the glowing experiences I had with MDA earlier in my life, those drugs share such a similarity.
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unodelacosa
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Don't grind up your shrooms until you're ready to eat them. It increases the surface area of the mushroom that's exposed to air, and this hastens the breakdown of mostly just psilocin. Fortunately psilocin is only about 30% of the total alkaloid content of P. cubensis. The majority of the rest is the much more stable compound, psilocybin.
Also, I advise against freezer storage – too much exposure to the inner moisture of the refrigerator/freezer which let's not forget: that moisture comes from tap water, too. Best bet for long-term mushroom storage = 1.) completely dessicate the mushrooms with a dehydrator, 2.) store them in vacuum sealed bags; then, 3.) keep those vac-sealed bags in a sealed glass jar, 4.) and keep them in the dark.
Basically light, air, and moisture will cause degradation. Also, plastics leach chemicals given enough time.
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It has indeed been rough lol. Lost a lot of sleep the first week, but some Norflurazepam every two to three nights helped. I’m blessed to have access to a huge reserve of all sorts of benzos so they’ve helped mitigate the WDs.
But yeah, still rough even at a low dose like that. Today I’m 9 days clean and I think I’m finally not having hot/cold flashes. Didn’t sleep last night but not due to WDs, due to heat and my annoying puppy rather.
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My cat might have a urinary blockage. ![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
It's been 8 years since he blocked, but before then he did 4 times within 3 years. I was going to collect a urine sample from him because he had a UTI and finished his antibiotics last week. I expected an easy capture of pee, since I caught him going into the litterbox, but he crouched and nothing came out, he strained and pushed and still nothing. Then he tried 7 more times within a few minutes of each time. The last time, a tiny bit of liquid poo came out, but he still seemed distressed. So I took him into the vet. The weird thing is, I scooped the litter box earlier this morning, and since then, there has been a totally normal looking poo, and also a pee. But clearly, he is trying to go the bathroom and can't.
The vet is going to check him out and get back to me. I have a show 2 hours away tonight that I am leaving to go pack up the gear and get moving, in 30 minutes. Also, next week (next Friday), my girlfriend and I are going to family vacation in Wisconsin. If he is blocked, he'll be hospitalized for a week. bad timing. Although perhaps I should see it as good timing, as it would have been much worse if this had happened when there was just a cat sitter coming twice a day.
God I hope he's not blocked... I really thought those days were behind me...
It's been 8 years since he blocked, but before then he did 4 times within 3 years. I was going to collect a urine sample from him because he had a UTI and finished his antibiotics last week. I expected an easy capture of pee, since I caught him going into the litterbox, but he crouched and nothing came out, he strained and pushed and still nothing. Then he tried 7 more times within a few minutes of each time. The last time, a tiny bit of liquid poo came out, but he still seemed distressed. So I took him into the vet. The weird thing is, I scooped the litter box earlier this morning, and since then, there has been a totally normal looking poo, and also a pee. But clearly, he is trying to go the bathroom and can't.The vet is going to check him out and get back to me. I have a show 2 hours away tonight that I am leaving to go pack up the gear and get moving, in 30 minutes. Also, next week (next Friday), my girlfriend and I are going to family vacation in Wisconsin. If he is blocked, he'll be hospitalized for a week. bad timing. Although perhaps I should see it as good timing, as it would have been much worse if this had happened when there was just a cat sitter coming twice a day.
God I hope he's not blocked... I really thought those days were behind me...
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Success for the researchers and the psychedelic community!
arrall
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Hopefully this ends the current Moxy drought.
Also DiPT is an incredibly fascinating chemical with immense usefulness in research, I would be FUCKING PISSED if it got banned.
5-MeO-aMT seems dangerous and not very worthwhile from what I’ve heard but I oppose the ban of any substance nonetheless.
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Yes this is great news, and I agree 5-MeO-aMT doesn't sound like my cup of tea and I just wish that aMT itself didn't get snagged years ago it's one of my favorite drugs ever and an incredible antidepressant. Hopefully one day they will start giving us back the Psychedelics they took away, like the 2C-x series. If I saw that day come before the end of my days I'd be a happy man.
arrall
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I got some aMT that I have yet to try so I’d be interested to hear about your experiences and any recommendations for first time dosage.
I too really hope to try the 2C-xs one day.
cosmic charlie
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Well the first time I took aMT I plugged 40mgs and it felt so good, but I wanted to take more after like six hours so I did another 60mgs but this was kinda dangerous so I wouldn't recommend it with a clear concious but I was fine personally. After that day tho I would generally plug 60-70mgs as a one time dose early in the morning like 9am(early for me) and that would last me the whole day and it feels glorious. Better than MDMA in my book I have a permagrin all day and nothing can bring me down, it's so Euphoric.
Thankfully I got to try many 2C-x of the family.
But I would love to get stockpile again, these are the ones I sampled (think this is all of them). Not as many as some but I got to have my fun with them, some like 2C-E I have taken over fifty times...
2C-B
2C-C
2C-D
2C-E
2C-I
2C-P
2C-T-2
2C-T-7
2C-B-FLY
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arrall
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What would the equivalent oral dosage be there? I don’t know how to plug and aMT probably isn’t one to learn with.
I’ve only tried 2C-B but I also have 2 doses of T2 I’ve been saving.
I got scammed with C and D unfortunately, got my money back for the latter thankfully.
I may be getting some B-FLY, E, and/or I soon.
cosmic charlie
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Well aMT oral and plugging doses are the same from what Xorky tells me and he knows his shit so I have always just taken his word on stuff like that. I have personally only plugged it cuz I have a very sensitive stomach and the tales of nausea had me a little freaked out, when I plug it I never have any issues with body load at all it just feels nice the whole time.
Sorry to hear about your troubles getting the 2C-C and D they are really quality drugs. You are gonna love the 2C-B-FLY that drug is fantastic on it's own as well as in combos with a dissociative. I took it with 50mgs of O-PCE and 50mgs DCK once, I took the Dissos in two doses spread out half off each at a time. I had one of the most breathtaking trips ever, I sat on this bench watching the clouds for hours listening to a Grateful Dead concert, completely in bliss.
2C-E is my favorite psychedelic, hope that you are able to get your hands on that one cuz it's something every psychedelic enthusiast should have the opportunity to samplein their lives. It's one of the most powerful drugs known to man IME.