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[Incunabula]

Bad trip?

 

[Bella Figura]

^ lol love it

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I'm honestly most scared about healthcare. If they repeal the Affordable Health Act, I won't have any health insurance.

 

[Whitefox]

Ha ha. Talk about set and setting for a trip: Trump blotters!

I think the writing was on the wall for this one. In this case Clinton represented the continuity candidate and if you have a large group of disaffected people they will always be attracted more easily to the so-called change candidate.

The simple fact, of course, is that the only change Trump will make is in regressing social policy. Does anyone really think that a supposed Billionaire who made his money (and lost it) during the rampant caitalism of Reagan is really going to do anything to economically further those who have lost out over the past forty years? Tax cuts for the wealthy will likely follow based on the laughably flawed theories of Laffer and the idea that if you cut tax rates then the overall tax take rises. Feed the donkey enough hay and it will shit some out the back for everyone else.

He won't be able to afford his grandiose statements on infrastructure as his cuts will leave a huge deficit. So, those left behind previously will still find themselves left behind, but they can at least console themselves with bans on abortion and gay marriage, reduced gun control and the removal of civil rights laws.

After the Brexit vote here the number of hate crimes rose fivefold with the far-right, feeling empowered; I would fear similar in the US. Who knows, it may be the last hurrah of the older white population circling the wagons, but at what cost?

As a serious question to those in the US, would Sanders really have stood a chance? I thought the mere mention of the word socialism was treason over there!

 

[Cream Gravy?]

He would have won because the majority of Dems liked him better. Simply put, no one trusted Hillary. Polls of a potential Bernie/Trump election put him at a ~15% lead over Trump in such a scenario, when in the same poll they put Hillary, well, as 1-3% ahead. So we should have seen this coming. And of course, we should have picked Bernie. The Dems did this to themselves, and now we all have to live with the consequences.

Why do I have to be emerging into the fucking workforce now of all times?

 

[Xorkoth]

Well it's a sad day. We now have an idiotic, unqualified, megalomaniacal, bigoted, mysogynistic, pedophile rapist who expressed interest in fucking his own daughter as our president, whose previous experience basically amounts of running many companies into the ground, and being a reality TV star. Let the games begin...

I'm certainly not moving though. I feel pretty secure where I live, for now.

I'm honestly most scared about healthcare. If they repeal the Affordable Health Act, I won't have any health insurance.

Yeah he claimed outright that the first thing he's going to do is repeal Obamacare.

We certainly should picked Bernie. So many more people would have voted for him. And it's because that dude is for real, spent his life fighting for real causes and he dared to campaign based on there being fatal flaws in the system that need to be fixed. Which is also why he was never going to win the primary.

What a shit show.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

The irony of it all is, I'm probably more interested in buying a handgun now than I ever was under a Democrat.

 

[herbavore]

Ugh. I feel sick to my stomach.

You got that right, vortech. Never have I wanted to leave more....

Called my 87 year old mom last night, eternal optimist, retired political science professor and Washington policy maker and she said this: "I feel sick. I have never been this discouraged or this depressed in my very long life."

Trying to find some equilibrium this morning, but so far failing.

 

[Xorkoth]

Does this go to show that your vote DOES matter? Because it seems to me that if the votes don't matter and the outcome was predetermined by the powers that be, they'd never have let Trump win since Hillary was their person.

Or, this is a feint, so that people would think exactly what I just said.

Who knows, the goings on behind the scenes of this thing are not something that we can possibly know.

 

[Whitefox]

He would have won because the majority of Dems liked him better. Simply put, no one trusted Hillary. Polls of a potential Bernie/Trump election put him at a ~15% lead over Trump in such a scenario, when in the same poll they put Hillary, well, as 1-3% ahead. So we should have seen this coming. And of course, we should have picked Bernie. The Dems did this to themselves, and now we all have to live with the consequences.

Why do I have to be emerging into the fucking workforce now of all times?

I agree with all that you say, but never underestimate the power of appealing to people's self interest in a democracy. Socialism requires the giving up of some of your own pie for the greater good; the simple argument used against, that has worked here in the UK time and again, is to simply tell voters that it will leave them poorer.

Add to that a roundly hostile media and anybody mentioning socialism is fighting an uphill battle.

I declare myself a socialist, not in the communist sense, but in the sense that a stable society is good for all. The hegemony of the past four decades has focused purely on individual benefits. Clean air benefits all whereas dirty air costs slightly less. My own theory of socialism is that we need to consider the non-monetary costs and benefits in society. The ideology of socialism needs to be divorced from the old discredited communist theory and transformed into an ideal of a better society for all where wellbeing isn't just measured by accumulation of personal wealth.

Clearly the eth-lad got the old grey matter working last night!

 

[Whitefox]

Does this go to show that your vote DOES matter? Because it seems to me that if the votes don't matter and the outcome was predetermined by the powers that be, they'd never have let Trump win since Hillary was their person.

Sorry for additional post instead of adding, but phone is doing funny things right now.
Anyway, you are absolutely correct. One of the many toxic things that Trump emitted during the campaign was that the system was rigged. As was shown over here, of you repeat a lie often enough it comes to be accepted as truth.

If you really want to live in a better society then trusting to 'creative destruction' to set things right is a dangerous strategy: you know neither the scale of the destruction nor what will be created in its place.

Make no mistake, Trump is a demagogue and the only good thing to say about him is that he is not an ideologue, caring only for his own power. Luckily he has no vision and will end up being a puppet for the Republican party controlling Capitol Hill. That's bad enough, but if he had been a true wannabee dictator then who knows what dangers the US could be facing.

For now, those of us in the rest of the world are waiting to find out if he meant what he said about NATO. I wonder if Putin will test Trump's statements in the Baltics next spring?

 

[SKL]

Bad trip?

Is that real?

'cause I remember the (far more elaborate) messianic Obama (Alex fucking Waco compound Gray) bloggers, the original round of which afaict was quite nice but of course spawned imitators. Then there were these Obama head rolls (good tight press in the shape of his head) that turned out to be BZP or something which is somehow prescient. I was wondering if there would be Trump branded drugs. There was Trump branded dope bags way before he was involved with running for president just cause his name is famous and associated with money and luxury or whatever.

 

[Solipsis]

He wouldn't be the first one to let power rise to his head (speaking of putin), not at all and especially not an egomaniac like him.

That blotter is really dope I love it!

 

[SKL]

Does this go to show that your vote DOES matter?

For President, only if you lived in Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida, Pennsylvania and to a lesser degree in other states … that's our system and there are benefits to it and largely I like the idea but it's poorly executed (perhaps as and alternative we could do away with the Electoral College and instead give people from low population States statistically appropriate weight to their vote so as to achieve the same intended effect without the problem of the so-called Battleground States phenomenon.)

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

I got my dexedrine back
Score
My sub doctor is gonna be watching my levels though so im not doing any nut shit

 

[Kaleida]

You can take a look at this thread: http://bluelight.org/vb/threads/807316-Why-is-Finland-s-outlook-amp-drug-policies-so-unprogressive

But attitudes are changing and I think we'll see progress in the future. I don't know your laws regarding drugs too well but what I've heard they are pretty harsh when it comes to drugs. You really have to sell or smuggle big quantities here to get jail time. Cannabis is illegal of course but you won't get busted if you're not stupid. Growing is another thing that might get you big problems in front of law. I've seen a lot of positive news about cannabis lately in the media & tv programs and even some about psychedelics. Our drug scene is pretty pathetic, opiate addicts here use mostly buprenorphine, which is a good thing because it prevents OD fatalities. Police is mostly interested in catching dealers, not users I think - still too much resources go to prosecute users. Hope this will change in the future.

Our customs are maybe the strictest in the world and ordering research chemicals from abroad is not easy like it was 10 years ago. They have the best screening when it comes to international mailing, X-rays, dogs etc. But still a lot of stuff comes through, I just don't do that because if it got busted then they have a permission to search your house.

Anyway I think Finland is one of the best countries to live and I would never want to leave. Equality, social welfare, education, health care, science etc are all top notch. It's a safe country where people have high trust in institutions.

You know that if you're unemployed here you can get your rent paid, all your bills (like electricity, water) and still get 500€ / month for food/whatever? This causes some problems because there are people who abuse this system and don't even want to work in "minimum wage jobs" when you can get the same amount of money doing nothing. There have been discussion about basic income lately, I think we will see something like it in the future.

Oh and education is free, I study social sciences in university and they pay me like 400 € / month student allowance for studying. You can get a student loan on top of that if it's not enough (most likely it isn't for majority but I own a house so I can manage).

Sounds pretty interesting. I'm honestly interested in trying to live in a lot of different places if I can, and that sounds like it'd be a pretty cool place to try out. It will certainly have to be after I finish up with all my research chemicals though, then!

Thanks for the info!

Better come to south america !
We have drugs laws here, but they are poorly enforced, lol.

I'll consider it, though I'm hoping for something more in the area of like legal cannabis and smart shops for now lol. I would love to see South America some day though!

As a serious question to those in the US, would Sanders really have stood a chance? I thought the mere mention of the word socialism was treason over there!

Bernie left a real impression on people here in a way that Hillary definitely never could have overcome. I'm sure he would have done a lot better, and since Hillary already won the popular vote here, that could be saying a lot....

Well it's a sad day. We now have an idiotic, unqualified, megalomaniacal, bigoted, mysogynistic, pedophile rapist who expressed interest in fucking his own daughter as our president, whose previous experience basically amounts of running many companies into the ground, and being a reality TV star. Let the games begin...

I'm certainly not moving though. I feel pretty secure where I live, for now.

Couldn't have said it better myself....

I'll definitely still have to be for a little while, but I'm getting out of here when I can. I've wanted to for a long time though, was always planning to probably move to a more progressive place in the states first and get some experience in my desired career areas and such, and then use that to go somewhere else in the world where I can feel a but more at ease with some of the decisions I plan to continue making, and just my lifestyle in general, as well as just to see more of what the world has to offer.

In this case though, this election really does greatly further my desire to leave this culture. I'm honestly not half as afraid of Trump as I am of his supporters feeling empowered as Whitefox suggested. As far as I'm concerned Trump is so full of shit that he might not even mean half the horrible things he said to get elected, but his followers clearly do, like that psycho on CNN who was talking like he was the fucking messiah and demanding outrage over Hillary Clinton before being told to chill the fuck out by democrats and republicans alike. I really hope that the US can steer itself back into a positive momentum in that way as soon as possible, but it doesn't exactly make me want to stick around to see it play out....

Called my 87 year old mom last night, eternal optimist, retired political science professor and Washington policy maker and she said this: "I feel sick. I have never been this discouraged or this depressed in my very long life."

Trying to find some equilibrium this morning, but so far failing.

I'm right there with you. I keep trying to distract myself with happy things and it sort of half works at first, but my mind just keeps drifting back to it.

And sounds like my mom too.... My dad is less surprised, he's referring back to Nixon's re-election and spouting lines by ancient Greek philosophers about the nature of humankind.

I'm just hoping now that it doesn't take him too long now to reveal just how incompetent he really is.. but based on his public track record, I'm not sure anything less than him completely going insane is going to do that. I did hear that he has a family history of Alzheimer's though, soooo... I guess there's... hope?

 

[swilow]

Make America Hate Again. Objective achieved.

(I hope you guys that didn't vote aren't complaining about the result you refused to influence. )

All I hope for is that the dismay at Trump's election is just a manifestation of humanity's penchant for catastrophic thinking and that he will not decimate the planet and culture in the manner he claimed he would. Please let this man be something of a mythical boogeyman and not the destructive and self-obsessed human monster he seems to be.

I mean, Clinton was only marginally better but Trump's cavalier attitude towards conflict has so much potential to fuck our world up even more.

There are some havens for my people, but they are few and far between the sprawl of Trump Land.

That is fucked up to hear. And I daresay that you are not alone in this feeling. I'd say come to Australia but we are just as small-minded and painfully parochial.

Hopefully you guys can stir up some dissent and implement the great left-wing blowback that will inevitably follow the world returning to its sense.

 

[Xorkoth]

I'm honestly not half as afraid of Trump as I am of his supporters feeling empowered as Whitefox suggested. As far as I'm concerned Trump is so full of shit that he might not even mean half the horrible things he said to get elected, but his followers clearly do

This is precisely why it terrifies me. I think Trump was just appealing to what he saw he could appeal to in order to get airtime and the presidency (which I doubt he really thought he could do at first, I'm pretty sure he was just using this whole thing to get more famous/etc), but he successfully worked the people who are afraid and bigoted up into a frenzy. Now because of what he said during his rallies and shit people are going to feel okay about oppressing groups such as Muslims, with violence and otherwise. The whole landscape is turned in a backwards direction towards losing progress made in social equality. He greatly increased the momentum of that side of things and that to me is the worst part of this. The fucked up thing is, whether he won or nor, the damage would have been done, but now, since he did win, those people are going to feel much more emboldened to act.

 

[Delsyd]

On the bright side at least Hilarry isn't our president.
The real winner last night was cannabis. A few more states have legalized it recreationally and a few more have made it medical.
While everyone is crying about Trump and going to burn a fat spliff.

Plus, can you imagine how good this will be for stand up comedy.

 

[Xorkoth]

What states legalized? That's exciting. Although it's for sure not ours.