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In totally unrelated news I just found a place to get a bunch of really obscure and in some cases legendary mescaline analogues and a really cool tryptamine I can only find one report on. Score! I guess over a decade into knowing and exploring this little world we live in has paid off...

I think I'm addicted to collecting psychedelics.
 
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Also, if you don't see Clinton as a hateful, capitalistic, imperialist monster with no values then you've not looked hard enough. Trump is a moronic and hateful baffoon, but an unintelligent and useless one. Clinton is a cunning, sly, and incredibly intelligent psychopath with magnitudes more potential to create chaos and discord than Trump. Again, with Trump there's no way even 2% of his hateful rhetoric will ever come to fruition policy wise, he will be a lame duck. As well as creating an absolutely massive socio-economic-political movement rooted in progressivism and the like. Clinton instead will appease the masses with "progressive" social policy while making use of the turned eyes to further American imperialism, war-mongering, terrorism, and the like.
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I disagree and here's why. Yeah, Clinton is corrupt to the bone. But she's going to be interested in maintaining the status quo, which is what we have now. It's bad, but in certain areas things are improving, particularly in terms of social issues. We have a large contingent in the US who is trying to reverse that progress, but Clinton isn't one of them. Trump, however, is. The things I have heard him say, and heard of him saying, are appalling and terrifying to me. My good friend went to a Trump rally dressed as a Muslim, and her story is almost too much to believe. She heard him say something about how people should use force against Muslims to get them to leave, and he'll pay their legal bills. So much of what he was saying focused on the oppression of Muslims and Mexicans. He uses hateful rhetoric and mob mentality to stoke the fire of fear and resulting hatred in the large population in this country that already feels that way, fanning the flames to nearly hysterical levels. The things my friend saw at that rally are truly frightening to me. People were attacking other people, kicking and spitting at her, screaming terrible things at her, and were being encouraged to do so. Some guy slapped a woman and punched out her husband, and he tried to shove my friend (a woman as well) down the stairs, fortunately some people caught her. The security guards AND police saw this, and let this guy stay and kicked out my friend under the threat of arrest. The next day the police issued a warrant for his arrest, but everyone let him stay at the rally because that's what Trump is going for, inciting the most fear and hatred he can because it drums up support by preying on that fear. He wants to build a wall just like Bush did. Even if some of this hateful shit happens it's going to reverse some really hard-won progress. Let's make America great again by making white men the only power again and deporting everyone else. This is how you end up with Muslims in concentration camps. Trump himself is just interested in personal fame and attention, likely he would be a relatively ineffective president. But what he represents and what he is succeeding in doing already is what scares me. He is stoking the fires of intolerance and hatred quite successfully. I'd prefer the status quo for another term, to that.

So yeah, I voted, and I bet you can guess who I voted for. I wanted to vote third party or not at all but I didn't. I'm not sure if my vote made a difference, or if anyone's does, but in case it does, I did it. It's the only potential opportunity I have to matter in the outcome at all.
 
^Yeah I kinda wanted to vote Jill Stein, Gary Johnson has kinda been a goofball lately.

Anyways, depending on the election outcome, November 8th will further be marked as the worst (historically) day in my life. What is it about this day which draws the forces of evil and pain to me? For a few years I couldn't get through this day without my girlfriend and I both being a depressed mess, but luckily... time heals all wounds... almost all wounds. Okay, at least they scab well after a while. Turn to simply scars.
 
Your position is logical, Xorkoth. You have good intentions as well. My belief is simply that the thrashing the US will get with Trump is a necessary evil to prevent the pacification and eventual tyranny the country will see with Clinton elected and the status quo continuing unabated. On the surface the status quo is bad, but not really bad. However, digging deeper it becomes obvious the status quo is worse than ever imagined, as as such, I feel it needs to be broken. Violence or not. Unfortunately it is the way of the world.
 
That position is logical as well. I can see how Trump being elected could be a wake-up call. However I am hoping that the absolute disgrace this election has been all-around will be a wake-up call in itself. I mean the discourse about the need to get away from the current two-party system has already increased greatly because of this election.
 
Yeah, never before have I heard so many people, young and old alike, mention the name Gary Johnson in an election year. I remember he was just a side note in 2012, now people actually take notice of the Libertarian party.

I don't believe in sudden revolutions as an effective way to change things, and as such, the destruction and violence and contention that would ensue under Trump is not something I could get behind, even if it meant a rapid and rabid response to his evils.

"You say you want a revolution, well you know, we all want to change the world[...] But when you talk about destruction, don't you know you can count me out[...] You say you got a real solution, well you know, we'd all love to see the plan." -Lennon/McCartney
 
Plus, if Trump is a powerless president, then how is him being elected going to do anything to help the current situation anyway?

I wish Bernie had been the democratic candidate. Then I could have voted with pride. That dude is the first guy I ever heard saying real stuff during his campaign in a long time. He's spent his career fighting for human rights and he's qualified. It's a shame but of course they weren't going to let him be the candidate.
 
Economically, electing Trump will cut into the bottom line, evident already on markets apparently gaining value only when Clinton is considered the favorite. I find that fact immensely disturbing. There is only lesser evil.

Cream said:
"You say you want a revolution, well you know, we all want to change the world[...] But when you talk about destruction, don't you know you can count me out[IN] You say you got a real solution, well you know, we'd all love to see the plan." -Lennon
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Fixed that attribution, added important John Lennon smartass-ness. Never mention Paul McCartney in such a way again! ;)

Only Lennon is real*.

You know its going to be alright.



*genuinely one of my prime heroes.
 
Received a bag of books from a senior hippie style british RAF artist I know and meet for lunch at work every thursday and tuesday, there are several John Lilly books among them and other 70s cult enlightenment books lol, I haven't told these guys about my taste for psychedelics yet (though I feel more and more welcome to)... he judged me pretty accurately though I guess :D

Wasn't Lennon abusive to women though ^ ?

@ trump: I'm a bit concerned about people becoming too lax about him winning... the underdog party often seems to get a balanced advantage like that because of how unnecessary people thing it is to vote for the apparent winner. Similar things happened with the whole brexit thing.

I mean: if he loses N-Carolina etc he is probably out anyway due to the complex system and the certain states vs swing states and delegates etc. but yea

Haha yes if clinton wins gold value is predicted to go down 6% and with Trump to go up 10% because of the instability to the whole system calculated by the stock market. Pretty crazy.

I still think Trump voters are idiots not for liking him being "the voice of the people" even though that is debatable, or them disregarding the shit he says as just him 'being his blunt self' as if it is inconsequential...
But for not understanding how clearly everything he has said and done so far (actually even if you consider him usually being much more of a "character" role he plays that is more racist etc than he is himself - him playing a character or role easily demonstrates how he with his "the apprentice" loses sight over fictional entertainment and reality), so again how everything he does shows that he knows little about real things that are going on. That he is constantly self-involved and petty, and that what he does to prove that doesn't matter in itself, but shows who he are as a person and how terrible it would be to have that guy represent the country and be commander in chief. In that sense it is definitely consequential if you see the big picture.

If you think you can just consider everything he does and says at face value and judge it to be ultimately unimportant, you're wrong. Because it's not that it can be survived now and that everyone seems to be quite used to his level of absurdity: Clinton or any other politician would be absolutely barfed out immediately if they dared what he does. If you think that it is an achievement that he dares to do those things when others dare not, you are gravely mistaken... because as president he is eventually expected to behave like one when meeting foreign leaders etc etc. Even if you have 100% confidence that he will quit being the 'character' he is now, you would have absolutely no idea what or who he actually is (something I have already argued, couldn't be much more or less uncharitable or un-magnanimous than he proves to be continously, like in the hardly-watched youtube vlogs where he behaves like you would fear he would).
If you are willing to gamble with your country on a wildcard so much just to get away from establishment you are equally an idiot.
 
To the folks not voting, I used to feel the same way, why take part in perpetuating a broken system? Now, I invest my attention and energy on local positions and ballot measures that will affect my day-to-day life much more than who is president. Mayor, city council, planning board, these all shape the character of a city, and I care a lot about my city.

Vitriolic noise about national races sells ads. I still want to stick it to the man, but it's the ad man I'd like to shiv. The president can take a walk.
 
Yeah local government is much more important to participate in because at that level voting most certainly matters, and the policies of the candidates will have a much bigger influence on the lives of everyone in the community. Plus in my experience there are a lot more people in it because they honestly want to do what they feel is best for their communities, rather than just being in it to become part of the big-money establishment.
 
I love spliffs for these kinds of nights. Ill probably check the election status in a little while before bed. Worked on music today, and the weather was beautiful for a bike ride.
 
It's neck and neck. I never thought it would be like this. Right now they're projecting a GOP win for all three things, House, Senate and President. Are you kidding me?
 
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I'm speechless. At this point Trump has >95% probability of winning.

I need to figure out where I am going now. I don't feel comfortable in this country. There are some havens for my people, but they are few and far between the sprawl of Trump Land.
 
Well I'll be damned. Looks like America's going to be great again. A little too great, by my standards.

Oh well. At least we'll get to make fun of his cringeworthy speeches for the next four years.
 
Ugh. I feel sick to my stomach.

You got that right, vortech. Never have I wanted to leave more....
 
Come to Finland, we welcome you with open arms. Dress well, it's cold here
 
I don't mind the cold.... What's the political scene like for someone with interests such as ours here?
 
You can take a look at this thread: http://bluelight.org/vb/threads/807316-Why-is-Finland-s-outlook-amp-drug-policies-so-unprogressive

But attitudes are changing and I think we'll see progress in the future. I don't know your laws regarding drugs too well but what I've heard they are pretty harsh when it comes to drugs. You really have to sell or smuggle big quantities here to get jail time. Cannabis is illegal of course but you won't get busted if you're not stupid. Growing is another thing that might get you big problems in front of law. I've seen a lot of positive news about cannabis lately in the media & tv programs and even some about psychedelics. Our drug scene is pretty pathetic, opiate addicts here use mostly buprenorphine, which is a good thing because it prevents OD fatalities. Police is mostly interested in catching dealers, not users I think - still too much resources go to prosecute users. Hope this will change in the future.

Our customs are maybe the strictest in the world and ordering research chemicals from abroad is not easy like it was 10 years ago. They have the best screening when it comes to international mailing, X-rays, dogs etc. But still a lot of stuff comes through, I just don't do that because if it got busted then they have a permission to search your house.

Anyway I think Finland is one of the best countries to live and I would never want to leave. Equality, social welfare, education, health care, science etc are all top notch. It's a safe country where people have high trust in institutions.

You know that if you're unemployed here you can get your rent paid, all your bills (like electricity, water) and still get 500€ / month for food/whatever? This causes some problems because there are people who abuse this system and don't even want to work in "minimum wage jobs" when you can get the same amount of money doing nothing. There have been discussion about basic income lately, I think we will see something like it in the future.

Oh and education is free, I study social sciences in university and they pay me like 400 € / month student allowance for studying. You can get a student loan on top of that if it's not enough (most likely it isn't for majority but I own a house so I can manage).
 
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Kaleida said:
I don't mind the cold.... What's the political scene like for someone with interests such as ours here?
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Better come to south america !
We have drugs laws here, but they are poorly enforced, lol.


Mycondolences to all Trumplanders. On the bright side, if you dont believe in democracy you should be confident that this will change nothing :P.
 
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