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Ive always liked to be a smart alec. A newer friend getting to know me said Im edgy and like to go against the grain. I posted in the ibogaine thread and called the op a junkie. Another poster thought I was trying to stigmatize him. Words have meaning. I really like being a smart ass but that can have drawbacks to your online image with newer blers.

don't worry if you need any narco-skeptical backup i got you brah just drop me a link, you should see the shit that I say to people here. you and I alone have probably like 45-55 years combined experience on these people. don't forget. advice with a little zip sometimes sticks :D
 
Speaking of veganism - i hate the "debate" on such subjects, because people are often - for reasons i don't understand - very defensive about vegans.

Anyway, this idea that choosing not to consume animal products is "middle class" and somehow privileged is a misconception.
I'm not a vegan - i wear leather shoes and woollen clothes - but i eat vegan - and it really isn't expensive. Hell, i know plenty of people who live way under the poverty line and live completely vegan way of life.
It's really just a matter of not eating meat, dairy or eggs; i don't know about other parts of the world, but meat here is more expensive than vegetables.
If you cook your own food, there is no reason whatsoever that a vegan diet should cost more than that of an omnivore.

I stopped consuming animal-based foods a relatively short time ago, but i've never been healthier.
Not all of us eschew eating animal products for the same reasons - every vego/vegan i know is different. Sure, some folks are intent on trying to convert everyone, and conforming to vegan politics - but that's not how i see my own choices in this regard.

I've been vegetarian for almost 20 years, have maintained good health throughout those years, and lived - at times - on a very limited budget. It's really not hard - especially in towns where people can grow their own food (not so easy in a metropolis like NYC, obviously) but the people who live where willow and i do, for instance, have online networks of trade for various goods.
The same people that dumpster-dive and scavange food? Not necessarily.
Lots of communities have formed around efforts to live more sustainably. Some may take this to its more extreme conclusions - but on the whole it is a community effort, at least in places that have enough people that-way-inclined, especially in areas with the right sort of housing, climate and soil to allow people to grow their own vegetables.
Where i live, most people seem to grow some of their own fruit and vegetables - which obviously serves to supplement our diets - but trade co-ops have really been taking off in the digital age. I'm not very well connected with such things, but my housemates are very much so, and instead of throwing things away that they don't want or need (be it plants, foods, books - whatever) - they trade it with people online, with the express aim of not creating unnecessary waste.

It's really not hard, not exclusive, not expensive - and helps build community bonds.

How many vegans smoke cigarettes?
Lol - i only know one vegan that smokes tobacco.
 
I also heartily lulz @ the people who only take "natural drugs" but drop acid. Or who rant and rave about GMOs when modern pot is quite often a GMO but God forbid we seperate them from their fucking marijuana.

OK, OK, have your acid, plant derived, but then coke and dope should be fine, too, amirite.

Although as I understand it coke has a fuck of a "carbon footprint." Marijuana also has a huge one (unless, of course, you grow it yourself) as do, I would assume, the Chinese chemical of the moment (not to mention the entire buying-of-drugs-by-post thing; there has to be a way to plot this out where your carbon footprint is better if you actually send it through the mail and I bet it's right around a kilo or two of hard drugs which is where I think the cutting-out-the-middleman-by-the-postal-service should ethically end anyway.)

Will we one day have certified ethical cocaine and heroin? Not tested on animals? Fair wages? Safer organic solvents? Certified no dismemberment debt collection practices? (And then you get the hippies who think "organic" in this context means "the heddy organic green" lmao) I can already see it ... at like $900 a gram. Would probably be llama whooping good stuff too.

Some wook even was trying to argue with me that because he had "organic sass molly" it was "natural organic" ... it was even in non-piggy-pinkie vegetarian gelcaps, or so he said.
 
That's really just stereotyping though, isn't it?
I know a lot of environmentalists, and very few of us are hippies, or obsessed with binary view of natural/synthetic or whatever.
Maybe from outside of eco-conscious communities it may seem this way, but i never encounter that kind of stuff.
Guess it's all about who you know..
 
Of course it's a lot of stereotyping; I was having a laugh, mainly; it's not like I've done a lot of intensive studying of the groups, or had a lot of contacts with them outside of festivals and the drug game, and those are all a bunch of wooked out fucks anyway; to be sure, nobody in these scenes are the best and brightest out of any culture that might wind up with its' kids getting involved with that, is it?

As far as environmentalism as an overarching political or metapolitical goal goes, "not destroying the planet" is probably something that really pretty much nobody is going to disagree with, right? "Think globally, act locally," and all that, recycling is obviously a good thing (except in those cases, where in net energy/resource expenditure, it turns out not to be.) Until we get down to the nitty gritty of how it's going to effect people's lifestyles, and livelihoods, and so on.

This, more than anything is why global warming persists as a controversy, and a political one besides a science in which the facts are not yet wholly agreed upon; I have chosen to refrain from caring or forming an opinion on the whole mess, first because I don't know the science (as, unlike a lot of fields of study, the reasonably intellectual amateur type cannot, and as far as I understand it involves sophisticated computer models and stuff), and on the surface it seems the the anti-anthropogenic crowd are "denialists" (an interesting choice of phrase, and score one for effort at least in propagandizing your average latte-sipping Times reader against their opponents using it) and are in the minority of the scientific community; on the other hand, the anthropogenic climate-change people traffic in apocalyptic rhetoric and points-of-no-return, and have returned quite a few predictions unfulfilled, which is common enough in science, but not so much in politics; the anti-anthropogenic people receive funding from people like the Kochs and the oil industry, but the anthropogenicists from Soros and various other bogeymen on the other side of the debate, neither of whom really has any sincere interest in science, at all, but is interested more in economics and social control (and science seldom exists in a vacuum, I'm reminded of Bertrand Russel[?]'s Apologia for pure mathematics, saying it could never do any harm, with beautiful irony released only a few years before the atom bomb and the modern use of cryptography in war; but anyway, just like pharmaceuticals or anything else, there are powerful issues at play, on both sides of the equation, interested in furthering their own interests of profit and social control.)

Which is what it boils down to. Economics and social control. I highly doubt we're going to be around enough long enough to worry about the fact that most of the world's resources are finite and so forth, we've really proven ourselves adept at killing one another and producing totalitarian societies that'll keep that in check long enough. And, by the simple fact of being "something we can all agree on," I find "not destroying the planet," as a political cause, to a be a pretty suspect one; if it is, in fact, something we can all agree on, then it's probably a set of false dichotomies created to distract us from other issues (like jobs, "green" or not, energy, petro-wars, whatever.) But my basic heuristic is to be suspect of anything that smells of such simplicity. As a lifestyle choice, people of course should do what they see fit; but as an overarching political position, particularly when it becomes a "single issue"-type preoccupation, whenever something is self-evident ("saving the planet is good"), and a whole set of ideas and programs "necessarily follows" from that, then generally speaking, people are getting played. Sometimes we don't even know by whom, how, or to what end.

The conspiracy theories involving climate change ushering new forms of totalitarianism sound pretty far out, but, studying totalitarianism (and I don't just mean the proverbial 20th century Big Bads), is it, really? Life in this age is totalitarian all the way down, pretty much, so who cares? It definitely ushers in ample opportunity for people to make money off the greater fool (selling carbon coupons or green homes or promising the government to create over 9,000 green jobs in a juicy voting district or whatever; or OTOH, profiting off various things generally thought of by the anthropogenicists as being climate-harmful, by being long/short them economically based upon political consideration), that's for sure, which ever side you're on. we used to make shit in this country, now we just have our hands in the next guy's pocket.
 
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such extreme anhedonia lately

chemo doesn't even have me feeling that bad at the moment, but i just feel so BLAH. nothing grabs my attention, i'm constantly uncomfortable, nothing i seem to do fixes things. none of the feelings are outright awful, i'm not in much pain or anything. things just feel WRONG tho and i have no idea how to fix them.

probably just time at this point i suppose.

its like i feel like i meed to stretch, but no matter how much i stretch i never feel anything close to satisfaction.
 
"chemo brain," or as it is variously known, what you describe psychiatrically this is not uncharacteristic; paradoxically perhaps probably the best thing you can do is all the things that you feel like you can't or don't have the energy to do like crawl out of bed, make a cup of coffee, and take a walk in the park, or whatever, and do it on repeat; yes, you meet these people who are survivors of cancer, addiction, abuse, whatever terrible thing, and they're just so goddamn cheery it pisses you off, but maybe at one point it might be time to join them to at least some degree, and I mean that totally unironically; go on and embrace some shit that your cynical self would otherwise seem as cheesy, this being advice coming from probably the most cynical man around here, take it :) the "holidays" are depressing like a motherfucker, though, and that's in the backdrop probably of all of our feels, unless some annoying well-adjusted guy in a sweater pops up to cut the /pd/ tofurkey. no, but for real, you've over the past year, I've seen it, shown humor even in lame ball-sack jokes, that's a real asset, actually, believe it or not serious medical studies have been done about the healing power of humor; and a general positively fucking obnoxious optimism in general, which is to say, embrace all of those things :) prayers etc.
 
I agree on the subject of veganism not being an "expensive burgeois lifestyle choice". I first came into contact with vegans when I had a short affaire with the anarcho-punk scene between ages 17-20. Squatters don't usually have a lot of "disposable income", at least not in this area/particular scene. As spacejunk said, as long as you cook for yourself, there's no way eating beans and and vegetables is more expensive than eating animal products.

Anyway, I'm not a vegetarian because of pity or a religious "universal respect for life", it's just that the livestock-industry disgusts me so much I don't have stomach for it ... Not only it's environmental impact is concerning, and represents a relationship with other species that is ethically condemnable as one of the most horrible faces of the excesses of capitalism, but it is also a massive contributor to the abuse of antibiotics and the subsequent emergence of resistant bacterial strains. I know, that I can't make a "global change" in my actions as an individual, but at least I feel more comfortable with myself trying to contribute as less as possible to all that of that. Proving to myself that I can live without that reinforces my idea that it should be abandoned altogether. SKL mentioned hunting for eating, and yes, that is far more "natural" than a vegan diet. If I could procure my own meat by farming or hunting, I would have no problem with not being a vegetarian I think ... But at the same time I don't think I would really bother with any of those if I had the option; Which I don't have anyway. I live in a very crowded metropolitan area, in which hunting or farming is impossible. But in abstract I can say that yes, depredation is part of what I perceive as natural and normal ... Tube-Fed chicken swollen with hormones that are slayed upon five months of hatching from their eggs are not.

As a lifestyle choice, people of course should do what they see fit; but as an overarching political position, particularly when it becomes a "single issue"-type preoccupation, whenever something is self-evident ("saving the planet is good"), and a whole set of ideas and programs "necessarily follows" from that, then generally speaking, people are getting played. Sometimes we don't even know by whom, how, or to what end.

This is something I strongly agree with, by the way.



such extreme anhedonia lately

chemo doesn't even have me feeling that bad at the moment, but i just feel so BLAH. nothing grabs my attention, i'm constantly uncomfortable, nothing i seem to do fixes things. none of the feelings are outright awful, i'm not in much pain or anything. things just feel WRONG tho and i have no idea how to fix them.

probably just time at this point i suppose.

its like i feel like i meed to stretch, but no matter how much i stretch i never feel anything close to satisfaction.


I'm so sorry Pharmakos :( ... I can't even imagine the stress you are going through right now, so it's no wonder you are feeling this way. Uncertainty and anxiety usually leave me feeling drained and unfulfilled, and my own struggles are almost capricious compared to what you are facing so it's understandable. But stay strong man, not giving up must be pretty tough, but it is also what will get your though :


believe it or not serious medical studies have been done about the healing power of humor; and a general positively fucking obnoxious optimism in general, which is to say, embrace all of those things :) prayers etc.


This is true. Our immune system is in theory able to combat cancer cells, but stress and depression can actually interfere with it's functioning. Cortisol is actually an immunospresor. So, cliché as it is, and as hard as it might seem to be, optimism is indeed one of the weapons we have against cancer. Not giving up to anxiety and pesimism. Well, that's the fight we all struggle against I guess, but in your case it has a special urgency. Don't ever give up !!
 
No offense to the user in question, but if your username is vegan and you're not being ironic that seems about as silly as the woman on OK cupid I saw sporting an armpit bush, and I mean agressively portraying mind you. I have no quarrel for any of it in particular, but if you think you're being an activist by just touting your lifestyle choices I find it hard to respect. Even if it's perfectly respectable if you're just reasonable about it. It's a little like never having heard of context, or something like that. I wouldn't expect anyone to take me seriously either if I just randomly shouted a keyword of something I felt strongly about in any situation, unless I was marching a demonstration.
 
when i was vegetarian, i made a point to adopt an attitude of vegetarian agnosticism -- that is, fully admitted that i ultimately had no idea whether what i was doing was morally superior or not, had no problems with anyone else that ate meat, etc. often had people surprised to find out i was vegetarian after getting to know me -- because so many of the types are SO vocal about it.
 
Took Sunflower to the vet again today, another forced feeding, but much cheaper as the vet didn't charge another examination fee; managed to get out having spent only 16 bucks, thank God. Hopefully she eats this week so next week will just be another checkup rather than another raw egg poured down her throat :( poor thing is too stupid to realize she needs food or something... very stressful. Merry Christmas to me, sincerely, my stressful pet snake.

Keep strong pharmakos. I cannot say I've been there, but I feel for you. I had a cancer scare last year which could have turned out much worse. Seems like everyone gets some kinda cancer at some point nowadays. I don't believe in prayer, but I'll keep you in my thoughts. <3
 
Its odd that people say "I am a vegan". Nobody really says "I am a milk drinker". Veganism is so entwined with sense of self for many that it confuses the issue.

SKL, thanks for your reply, you always take my petty jibes well, and I always look forward to hearing your own riposte. ;)

I wouldn't expect anyone to take me seriously either if I just randomly shouted a keyword of something I felt strongly about in any situation, unless I was marching a demonstration.

I like the imagery here actually. One man demonstration :)

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chemo doesn't even have me feeling that bad at the moment, but i just feel so BLAH. nothing grabs my attention, i'm constantly uncomfortable, nothing i seem to do fixes things. none of the feelings are outright awful, i'm not in much pain or anything. things just feel WRONG tho and i have no idea how to fix them.

I don't blame you for such feelings at all. SKL's advice was probably pretty good, maybe just try and get out there and do somethings, go for a walk, listen to some music, read a book outside. <3
 
Michigan winters make walks hard. i've been really yearning for a walk. even if i bundled up, tho, i think it wouldn't be healthy for me.

there's nowhere really indoor in my town to walk either. i could go do laps around the inside of wal mart i suppose.

played guitar for awhile earlier, that helped for a bit, til i ran out of both physical and mental energy.

really tho things could be worse, i feel way better after this most recent round of chemo than i did after my last (when i spent a week in the hospital with that infection). if uncomfortable cabin fever and restlessness means i can avoid feeling like i'm a step away from death then so be it. <3
 
How can you tell if a person is vegan?

Don't worry - they'll tell you.

Haha I love that one! Nothing but respect for anyone who chooses to eat vegan, but the flag waving part really deserves to have the piss taken.

Someone was asking about if any vegans smoke - yeah I've been acquainted with numerous vegan smokers. Of course they all handroll (usually American Spirit or at least Drum), and tell themselves that they're smoking consciously (unlike all those other unconscious, low-energy smokers).
 
Im environmental. I love the rocky mountains and all west of them. Never been north of the russian river of california but i cant wait to explore oregon or washington but cant wait.
 
I was a vegetarian for 6 years, ages 18-24. I eventually decided to eat meat for health reasons because I've always been incredibly skinny, I weighed 135 lbs and am 6'1.
I didnt gain much weight until I started really focusing on eating more and going to the gym, now i weigh between 165-170 lbs depending on the day. I started slacking on the gym for a few months but have been going consistently again for the past month and plan to continue that. I hope to gain another 10-15lbs in 2017. And I dont take gym seriously like a body builder or something. I don't track my calories or drink protein or anything like that. I just go work out for an hour trying to hit every muscle group and go for hypertrophy.
As far as my diet though, I've always preferred fruits and veggies even as a kid. I'd rather eat a really good salad with lots of different veggies and tons of chic peas and some sort of cheese like feta or goat cheese, I'd prefer that to a burger. And these days I'd put some chicken on there. I try to be conscious about the kind of meat I eat and whether it's organic and humane and all that good stuff, same for eggs, and it's easy for me because there is a discount super market called Aldi down the street that has mostly organic stuff. It's like a poor mans Whole Foods. But if I were to go to a regular super market the organic stuff is a lot more expensive and does not make sense to buy unless you have a lot of money to spend on food.

I ended up getting some u47700 and am enjoying popping in and out of the nod. I find this stuff to be stronger and more euphoric than oxycodone. Oxy is more of an energetic opiate while this stuff is great for nodding.

SKL, beer is my preferred alcohol and I can appreciate a nice bourbon or whiskey but I drink liquor rarely. I drink 2-6 beers a day depending on if I'm hanging out with friends or not. I usually drink cheap beer because of the price, I actually prefer Coors over all other cheap beer but PBR is a few bucks cheaper for a 12 pack. But if I were rich I would only drink good expensive beer. I have really grown to love it and appreciate it the same way one would wine. It helps that there is something like 20 or more breweries in this small town and more opening all the time. I would love a good Russian Imperial Stout right now on this cold night, maybe something with hints of coffee and
10% abv, yummm!!.
My wife's dad is a big beer fanatic and has a seperate, temperature controlled fridge for all of his amazing beer. We're going there in a few days for Xmas and I can't wait to raid that fridge.
 
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