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☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: If 2020 Was the Dumpster, Can 2021 Be the Fire?

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Perforated said:
I think I might be over LSD. I had a horrible experience the day before yesterday - which of course was my own stupid fault as usual. But I had a whole bunch of various strength LSD tinctures made from soaking a bunch of blotters from different vendors and in different strengths in 95 % alcohol vodka. But i decided I wanted to absolutely minimise the risk of my stash being discovered so decided to empty them all into a single larger glass container that could be more easily stored stealthily while protecting the contents long term.

Anyway there was about 3 or 4 mls left over at the end so - presuming that I still had a fair degree of tolerance - I downed it thinking I’d get a bit of a glow for a few hours. It might have been as much as 1.6 mg but I’ve taken twice that much before when definitely tolerant and felt almost nothing.

Next thing I know I am unable to stand up and have that trailing visual effect more intensely than I’ve ever had it. Every time I open my eyes anything moving appears to be 1,000 versions of itself flickering away in a kind of conga line. It was extremely intense and I was also sweating like a pig. Even my eyelids were sweating - which was an extremely weird feeling.

But the strange thing was there seemed to be absolutely no other symptom/effect that you’d expect from LSD. I remained super sharp and conscious mentally and my ego was rock-solid. Nothing at all was distorted except for my vision - which was totally fucked. There was no brightness to colours or anything like that - just the trails.

I put up with it for maybe 4 hours hoping that it was a part of the comeup that would eventually move into something more enjoyable. But that was it. Music sounded normal and looking at my carpet and art gave me nothing special - whereas normally on a trip they give me real joy and pleasure while I freak out at them. I tried watching TV - hoping that a cartoon or something funny might move things along but I was so mentally together I got nothing except a bit of nausea from trying to focus on the image when it was all so blurry.

In the end I sedated myself and the next day was a total write-off scarcely able to think.

I’’ve tried to think what might have happened at the neurological level to get such a massive reaction on only one dimension and zero on everything else but its inexplicable.
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A chemist took ten million doses in Italy in a chemical accident once and after the initial rush was just left totally clear in normal reality realizing normal life is the most magic dimesion
 
Still haven't found any mushrooms, but at least I scored this:

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Today was the last day at work in my city museum. It was supposed to be only a summer job but I got to work a little longer. Heh, I cried a little bit when I walked to my car at the end of the day. Such a nice job and co-workers. There's a possibility that I can continue there next spring, but we will see. Drinking and smoking some weed tonight :)
 
Sorry I've been gone--I switched phones and had issues logging in here with the 2-FA after. I finally got it sorted out.
 
A small amount of 3-MeO-PCP in my nose. The scale was fluctuating between 0 and 7 mg for some reason. Probably closer to 0, but enough to burn. It's a pleasant tasty burn reminiscent of mustard or cress. This will be my second and probably last trial with this material.
 
And just like that i'm in disso-space.

This is great for dancing.

I can feel the big/small, energy-ball dancer vibe. I wonder if rapper Biggie Smalls got that pseudonym from PCP.
 
Mjäll said:
A small amount of 3-MeO-PCP in my nose. The scale was fluctuating between 0 and 7 mg for some reason. Probably closer to 0, but enough to burn. It's a pleasant tasty burn reminiscent of mustard or cress. This will be my second and probably last trial with this material.
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How were you weighing it? To avoid false 0 mg readings, don't use the tare function. My preferred method is to turn the scale on, add the metal tray, then add a piece of paper on top (it helps to give it a fold beforehand), note the scale's reading, then add the substance you want to weigh. Those Gemini scales don't give accurate readings for very small amounts.
 
blistersinthedark said:
How were you weighing it? To avoid false 0 mg readings, don't use the tare function. My preferred method is to turn the scale on, add the metal tray, then add a piece of paper on top (it helps to give it a fold beforehand), note the scale's reading, then add the substance you want to weigh. Those Gemini scales don't give accurate readings for very small amounts.
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Just straight onto the scale and pulling it up my nose from there. I knew there wasn't enough left in the bag to pose any danger to me. I may lick the bag clean also.

My scale does seem to get very inaccurate below 10mg. Maybe you're right that adding something to the scale could've made my reading more accurate.

Either way, the situation is controlled by other means so there is no recklessness involved. Thank you for what i perceive to be a harm reduction pointer of general value. And i wish you a good tonight whatever you're up to! :)
 
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I feel like i'm going out on a limb here by presenting today's third painting, and second under the influence of the spice mentioned above (with good old 420). Curiously i've started giving them titles. This one is "Functional Possession, the Ghost of Antithesis". Watercolour on some plywood cardboard kind of material.

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I prefer this lower dose to my first higher dose experience, since the higher dose made music at moderate volume sound flat and disjointed. An interesting but ultimately detrimental effect. Could be the booze i was having synergizing poorly on the audio side though. Good old alcohol does something to the NMDA receptor unless i'm mistaken.
 
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blistersinthedark said:
How were you weighing it? To avoid false 0 mg readings, don't use the tare function. My preferred method is to turn the scale on, add the metal tray, then add a piece of paper on top (it helps to give it a fold beforehand), note the scale's reading, then add the substance you want to weigh. Those Gemini scales don't give accurate readings for very small amounts.
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I do this as well, I just don’t bother with the paper. My tray weighs 2.681g exactly lol. Memorized it like 10 years ago now.
 
So, would anyone have any idea how and why psychosis happens after taking psychedelics? Is it the dopamine activity? Can't really find anything and I don't entirely know what to look for either.

I've taken quite a bit of stims and triple releasers but never had any issue, yet it was the most natural thing on two psychedelic trips and there was an acid trip where I definitely skirted the edges as well, I never told anyone about that, looking back I was definitely psychotic and eventually killed the trip with loads of etizolam.
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
So, would anyone have any idea how and why psychosis happens after taking psychedelics? Is it the dopamine activity? Can't really find anything and I don't entirely know what to look for either.
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I feel like there has to be a connection with stress, because for me it seems to amplify the psychotic-like effects of so many drugs (e.g. stimulants, cannabis, psychedelics, dissociatives). Amy Arnsten has done a lot of fascinating work showing that high levels of norepinephrine essentially take the PFC offline, although she hasn't looked at psychedelics in particular. The PFC mediates executive function and working memory, both of which are compromised in psychosis, so I think her work still validates this idea.

It's odd because usually when I take psychedelics in a relaxed setting they feel almost anti-psychotic in a way, although I don't generally push the doses and with stronger psychedelics such as LSD it does seem like that would be more of a possibility (although LSD is a dopamine agonist and Arnsten has also shown that high levels of dopamine take the PFC offline as well). Dissociatives definitely have more of these psychotic patterns of thought, but then again they have a greater capacity to release neurotransmitters like norepinephrine and dopamine, so that could explain some of it. I don't think it's the whole story because abusing dissociatives gave me residual issues (alogia, flattened affect, delusions, anhedonia, etc) that I've never really experienced from psychedelics.
 
ecstacylover said:
Amy Arnsten has done a lot of fascinating work showing that high levels of norepinephrine essentially take the PFC offline, although she hasn't looked at psychedelics in particular. The PFC mediates executive function and working memory, both of which are compromised in psychosis, so I think her work still validates this idea.
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Interesting, last time on DPT, I had taken my Strattera earlier in the day (which increases the amount of norepinephrine). I hadn't even thought that there might be a connection.

I'll read the papers, we'll see how that goes with my limited vocabulary and knowledge... :)
 
ecstacylover said:
I feel like there has to be a connection with stress, because for me it seems to amplify the psychotic-like effects of so many drugs (e.g. stimulants, cannabis, psychedelics, dissociatives).
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Can I ask what you mean by psychotic-like effects? Unfounded fear, suspicions, feeling of enlightenment... I don't know... I don't believe it's so clear, I didn't experience any of these fwiw, but it's what you'd expect reading about stim induced psychosis. I would actually agree that cannabis, psychedelics (especially acid, always has) and dissos have some psychotic elements, but I say this with hindsight and knowledge of how my psychotic state of mind is like, at least when under the influence of psychedelics.

I smoked weed with a girl once that went slightly psychotic, she kept saying she was like in a cage and time kept going backwards. Irrelevant to this discussion, but maybe it's all very personal and also dependent on the drug itself.
 
ecstacylover said:
I feel like there has to be a connection with stress, because for me it seems to amplify the psychotic-like effects of so many drugs (e.g. stimulants, cannabis, psychedelics, dissociatives). Amy Arnsten has done a lot of fascinating work showing that high levels of norepinephrine essentially take the PFC offline, although she hasn't looked at psychedelics in particular. The PFC mediates executive function and working memory, both of which are compromised in psychosis, so I think her work still validates this idea.

It's odd because usually when I take psychedelics in a relaxed setting they feel almost anti-psychotic in a way, although I don't generally push the doses and with stronger psychedelics such as LSD it does seem like that would be more of a possibility (although LSD is a dopamine agonist and Arnsten has also shown that high levels of dopamine take the PFC offline as well). Dissociatives definitely have more of these psychotic patterns of thought, but then again they have a greater capacity to release neurotransmitters like norepinephrine and dopamine, so that could explain some of it. I don't think it's the whole story because abusing dissociatives gave me residual issues (alogia, flattened affect, delusions, anhedonia, etc) that I've never really experienced from psychedelics.
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Maybe it can also be explained by the very thoughts and emotions that emerge when combining psychedelics with certain settings. It's difficult to analyze neurochemically of course.
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
Can I ask what you mean by psychotic-like effects?
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Stuff like depersonalization/derealization, paranoia, intrusive thoughts, and just an agitated state in general. These things aren't generally present for me on these substances, but it seems that stress can precipitate them, just like it can precipitate them in a completely sober person.

Buzz Lightbeer said:
I smoked weed with a girl once that went slightly psychotic, she kept saying she was like in a cage and time kept going backwards. Irrelevant to this discussion, but maybe it's all very personal and also dependent on the drug itself.
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Yeah it's definitely subjective. I feel like if someone is enjoying themselves and not acting extremely out of pocket, then it's probably unfair to call it psychosis.
 
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