☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: If 2020 Was the Dumpster, Can 2021 Be the Fire?

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You don't run around inside? The amount of circles I walk around the table in my living room while thinking about what I was doing, gonna do, or just thinking about things lol

LOL, I relate.

 

[simstim]

^ Being so out of the loop on things I can't really say anything about street drugs. I know you know methamphetamine better than anyone Perforated. And you probably are getting ketamine. The only thing I can say is when I tried 32 years ago there was no black market for ketamine .I had a bottle of Ketaset from the vet I worked at. Took a couple of bottles from storage. but the dosage I knew from any literature was 25-50 mgs was a small dose 75-100 mgs was strong and 125 mgs and over was just blacking out. It had to be IM'd as far as I knew. No problem. But people here say they can do 500 mgs lines. I mean that probably has more to do with tolerance than wrong dose info. But yeah ketamine was the only drug I left sitting and ended up throwing out.

I've always wondered if learning the whole dark web stuff would be worth it but now it seems to almost be the same crap. Take money and run. I really thought the fight would be for who had the best quality. (my vision of heaven lol)

I think 500mg lines is likely due to cut. Possibly tolerance, too, but I'd say it's cut.

 

[AutoTripper]

I think 500mg lines is likely due to cut. Possibly tolerance, too, but I'd say it's cut.

No way man, I testify otherwise. I was privy to 2 1/2 years permanent access to fresh cooked ketamine straight from the dealer, at a time when ketamine was like cornflakes just everywhere.

0.25 is nice, manageable, dreamy.

0.5 I’ve done myself, pure uncut, but Pharmaceutical Ketamine.

I knew people who got their kicks out of straight up 1 gram lines.

They’d sometimes be spasming on floor, K holed.

Others, I’d wander across them, frozen unconscious statues, eyes open in woody rave place, looking like you won’t see people look quite except in that K hole.

One time, I accidentally sniffed over a gram myself.

It was never cut. Tiny bits were plentiful. But ket is actually, so so safe, recreationally, apart from the huge shame R bladder troubles.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I think 500mg lines is likely due to cut. Possibly tolerance, too, but I'd say it's cut.

No way man, I testify otherwise. I was privy to 2 1/2 years permanent access to fresh cooked ketamine straight from the dealer, at a time when ketamine was like cornflakes just everywhere.

0.25 is nice, manageable, dreamy.

0.5 I’ve done myself, pure uncut, but Pharmaceutical Ketamine.

I knew people who got their kicks out of straight up 1 gram lines.

They’d sometimes be spasming on floor, K holed.

Others, I’d wander across them, frozen unconscious statues, eyes open in woody rave place, looking like you won’t see people look quite except in that K hole.

One time, I accidentally sniffed over a gram myself.

It was never cut. Tiny bits were plentiful. But ket is actually, so so safe, recreationally, apart from the huge shame R bladder troubles.

They must have changed the formula or else they are lacing Aussie ket with something to give it extra oomph. After a few days off snorting 150 mg will put me flat on my back lost in another constantly changing world that somehow syncs perfectly with whatever music is playing. Once it hits it would be very difficult for me to get up for well over half an hour and even then I feel like I’m on the deck of small boat in a big storm. Admittedly I’m still redosing a few times in a session. But a gram seems to last forever.

My very first go ever of ket I took note of what people here were saying about dosage and IM’d about 130 in two doses and was holed for hours. Really didn’t like it that time since I was literally paralysed (and also full of meth). But now I love exploring these mystery worlds it creates behind my eyelids.

 

[Xorkoth]

Pure ketamine with no tolerance is pretty strong, the first time I holed was on 125mg. Tolerance builds rapidly from regular usage and never really disappears once you develop it. I did 175mg once and remember not a thing from it beyond the beginning.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

out of a 1 gram bag i get at least 6 k holes out of it

 

[AutoTripper]

The formula was the mental raving Brits, long legendary for putting MDMA abuse culture on the map of history.

30-80 mg’s was enough to achieve a K hole.

The difference between 250 and 333 mg’s of ketamine in one line, I would say is more significant than 250-333 ug LSD or 250-333 mg’s MDMA.

I’m very unschooled on ketamine. I took all my drugs in past before we even had broadband, it was all field research only for me, us then.

So I’m admittedly assuming there are still only two types of ketamine, horse and kiddie? (Pharma).

If you get the horsey stuff, which I’ve not had reason to believe is in circulation one way or the other, I just saw it once, then vanished totally off the scene by 2003 which was massively flooded with Pharma ket, then dosages are in a different park.

Ketamine is really actually pretty safe though. As long as you don’t have a bad trip K hole.

It was the original formula for Pharma ket, was definitely uncut, just not the Vet brand.

Ketamine would be really helpful for me currently too. I’m seeking coping mechanisms.

I have a friend who is schizophrenic, who dropped round last night. He uses crack and heroin when he can afford it. A number of reasons deter me from basically acquiring some heroin as a lesser evil.

Money. It’s short already, health costs can’t be sacrificed for a new “habit”.

No idea what he or anyone gets as heroin here there or anywhere. I’ve heard of fent obviously. I understand that’s fully undesirable.

If it was a vending machine top of the street basically, no lowlife rip off dealers and addicts to go through, be obliged to favour etc, affordable, and basically clean and pure, I’d go get some today.

I would need to vaporize it somehow and hope not to be allergic to it. 99% likely I would be really allergic to it any way but by needle though.

Slim chance or no chance of no impurities. What chance of actual Heroin?

If the vending machine was there, I would see if heroin can be vaporized like cannabis concentrates using a quartz banger and a torch style. I have a quality unused quartz banger, did have a controller but sold it I’ve got the coil still.

It’s no action plan today, because it’s not an Avenue to go down. And all the reasons listed. Allergies, uncertainty of actual gear actually at the top.

Money. Looking forwards. It’s really not viable. On paper though, it’s really what I feel the need for so greatly. I’ll give myself some time, a week or two, try and rest up recover some energy, the exhausted state is a factor.

Im out of my own bedroom atm though also. Which I really hate. Serious relationship issues with my mum. My room is my space. If I can’t handle life, too weak for shit, I can retreat and focus. In a week, possibly, I could return there with an actual comfortable bed, a chance to retreat, deeply rest, heal.

Roll on. My mum’s gone for a seaside trip with a friend today, so I have greyhound caring duties. I’m so wasted still, I need days in bed, until I have the strength to be awake.

I had to get up because the dog whines epic crazy otherwise, my nerves cannot handle high-pitched greyhound whittling when I’m trying not to be conscious of reality.

So I can’t sleep, but can’t do anything either so exhausted. A few days in bed at least is a medical requirement, I can’t wait.

 

[AutoTripper]

She is a really lovely dog. I’ve no gripe with her, or any animal. I’m just in no capable state to be conscious, horizontal, no dog duties I would be sleeping for days out of necessity.

She can’t understand. So high energy, so demanding, expectant. My mum properly spoils her.

My nerves really can’t handle the nails on a blackboard incessant whittling though.

It has to transform into anger just to not go nuts. Actually quite useful anger, but Im trying not to get angry.




This one, not a good look. “Man of the World” was so appropriately on TV when I overstepped 5 nights ago. “I couldn’t really pick up… I didn’t really know what was going on” said Peter Green. Really chilled soul. Seemed very happy too, the other side of this. Fuck getting like this though. I just couldn’t.

 

[JackARoe]

30-80 mg’s was enough to achieve a K hole.

From my IM injections it seemed 25-50 mgs was still outside the trance. 100 mgs injections I was in "the hole" but back then it was a giant empty building. I do believe in that morphic resonance theory and think if I were too try now it would not be a giant empty building but a populated space. Many people have entered that space and added to it.

But yeah, the vet ket was in line with the dosages I read. When I injected 150 mgs I don't remember anything. So the sweet spot was 75-100 mgs. But even that got boring. At the time I was looking for something to enhance guitar playing, ketamine was not it. lol

 

[tired of crap]

Reading these posts about ket
The stuff going round in my area back in the day musta been cut to high heaven

Buddy told me half a vial, 0.5g would be epic. So I split it in half, 0.25 in each side (edit IN) for my first time. Instant hole

And I never looked back on dosing any other way. Likely mangled my tolerance FOREVER...

Save for the occasional festival appear I Didn’t see it for years until I met ppl at uni, some 5 years later. But between all those high doses and high doses of dxm over the intervening years even the “good” stuff they’d hole off repeated small doses... only a single high dose of >250 mg would produce a hole for me. Any less and even with repeated doses it was hard to hole, like an instant tolerance (ie if the first dose wasn’t large enough I couldn’t make up for it by stacking doses).

Now my small friends circle isn’t into drugs beyond weed and the occasional psychedelic trip so it’s been another 5 years since I’ve seen ket.
...
I did enjoy tiletamine (though i never tested it) but it’s no replacement. Just a nice alternative. So much so I binged each of my small orders. Said I wouldn’t order again, for this reason ... but trying to quit alcohol so... I ordered more yesterday lol

 

[AutoTripper]

From my IM injections it seemed 25-50 mgs was still outside the trance. 100 mgs injections I was in "the hole" but back then it was a giant empty building. I do believe in that morphic resonance theory and think if I were too try now it would not be a giant empty building but a populated space. Many people have entered that space and added to it.

But yeah, the vet ket was in line with the dosages I read. When I injected 150 mgs I don't remember anything. So the sweet spot was 75-100 mgs. But even that got boring. At the time I was looking for something to enhance guitar playing, ketamine was not it. lol

Yes indeed- Horses for (Ketamines)? Lol.

I missed a lot of detail yesterday. I saw how you clearly stated it was the vet stuff you tried back then.

I’ve never injected ketamine in any way. I only tried the horse stuff that one time. 3 lines. It was definitely totally uncut. Maybe 80 mg lines? It K holed me so fast, was on unbeatable ecstasy pills then.

I saw green triangles, prisms, morphing like screensavers, during my K hole. Group hallucinations. Car I sat in elongated to 40 foot inside, like the “Manic Miner” ZX Spectrum game Boot that comes down each time you die.

Jet Set Willy, Manic Miner. They were adventures. As primitive as they were, there was Infinitely more fantasy and mystery in them vs today’s VR psyops dressed up as fin and “games”.

Scary too, those old games.

The Adventures of Dizzy. I’m sure somebody will relate.

But I have a very good mind subjectively recording drug experiences. I can visually revisit them like a transgressional hypnosis state.

I was, should still feel a bit annoyed, that they swapped the real deal hardcore shit for a much more user friendly form.

But then, those two years I was free to use as much ketamine as I chose to pay for, were full on recreational times, every rave, experience, trip would have had a different character.

Pharma ket I argue lends itself much better to social poly recreational drug use.

Now a 500 mg line of pure vet Ket with no tolerance. I would actually do it. I was going to say I wouldn’t, but I would because I don’t see a danger outside of potential PTSD from hallucinating your own death, has happened to people.

Past that, if I had taken half gram of Vet ket Saturday, I’d not be sweeping up the pieces I am still from plugging acid,

But it’s a ridiculous dose, 500 mg’s. Vet ket isn’t just twice as strong as pharma.

It’s probably 4-5 times the potency. But not quantifiably linear, it’s still two different parties/buildings.

In 2012 I tried RC PCP analogue, I forgot it’s name now. Heavy dissociative. It was gram for gram stronger than the pure vet ket. The crew who had lived through all the ages of it were unanimously emphatic about that.

It felt very ugly, unenjoyable, because it was so strong and totally stole your mind away.

It felt very unhealthy mentally and physically. That was when the RC scene was really swinging it, based right in UK until 2016.

I missed it all, except that one line of real zombie cuckoo PCP stuff.

I only was given maybe 30 mg’s.

I’d be scared to take that drug again. It makes real ketamine seem safe as cereal.

It’s a shame people aren’t fully aware of which type of ketamine they have. Because it’s apples and oranges.

 

[AutoTripper]

Reading these posts about ket
The stuff going round in my area back in the day musta been cut to high heaven

Buddy told me half a vial, 0.5g would be epic. So I split it in half, 0.25 in each side (edit IN) for my first time. Instant hole

And I never looked back on dosing any other way. Likely mangled my tolerance FOREVER...

Save for the occasional festival appear I Didn’t see it for years until I met ppl at uni, some 5 years later. But between all those high doses and high doses of dxm over the intervening years even the “good” stuff they’d hole off repeated small doses... only a single high dose of >250 mg would produce a hole for me. Any less and even with repeated doses it was hard to hole, like an instant tolerance (ie if the first dose wasn’t large enough I couldn’t make up for it by stacking doses).

Now my small friends circle isn’t into drugs beyond weed and the occasional psychedelic trip so it’s been another 5 years since I’ve seen ket.
...
I did enjoy tiletamine (though i never tested it) but it’s no replacement. Just a nice alternative. So much so I binged each of my small orders. Said I wouldn’t order again, for this reason ... but trying to quit alcohol so... I ordered more yesterday lol

One aspect of this, the K hole is a possibility, often an inevitability, “a predictability” lol not used that word in that context ever, I think it has validity.

It’s not a guarantee necessarily.

You could K hole deep on 80 mg’s one day, sniff 500 another and remain lucid and sociable.

There is an element of choice how we experience ketamine. I got into ketamine not to go into K holes. I wanted to feel high and ecstatic in life, in tune with my surroundings.

 

[tired of crap]

There is an element of choice how we experience ketamine. I got into ketamine not to go into K holes. I wanted to feel high and ecstatic in life, in tune with my surroundings.

I got into it for holes. Lost in the k hole by the Chemical Brothers made me do it lol

I agree expectations play a part but if it’s even half way decent k there’s no way 500 mg will have me in tune with my surroundings lol

 

[AutoTripper]

I got into it for holes. Lost in the k hole by the Chemical Brothers made me do it lol

I agree expectations play a part but if it’s even half way decent k there’s no way 500 mg will have me in tune with my surroundings lol

Yeah I can relate to that, I’ve jus always naturally aspired to “stay in tune”, which is probably the psychological spine in me that has enabled me to trip so much and still always snap back into shape soon or later.

I am an escapist equally, a recluse, retreater also. I like fuzzing the edges. Just with a view around the corner.

I would argue, or suggest, that you “can” K hole on 50 mg’s.

And you “can” take 700 mg’s and not K hole, remain lucid and present.

I have actually done both. So that’s really the main point. Ketamine isn’t just about K holing. It offers so much outside the K hole. Once you go onto that hole, it’s like lights out bedtime.

My first use, the 3 lines of vet ket, I did indeed K hole well and truly. The time dilated other side, it was daylight, the two front seat occupants were snoozing, so no company or consciousness there.

No fantastic ketamine that night, the ecstasy pills were the best, such a rush, pure high transcendental state, so consciously in control, friends all over the rave.

It would have been a superb night and sunrise just eeing smoking skunk and sharing the high spiritually.

So I was marvelled at the Ketamine, but also I wanted my pre-hole high back.

I wanted to keep my cake, and eat it. A part of me felt cheated. So probably my consciousness was already priming itself to have both next time around.

I think this is possible, and is the conscious element in me that allowed me to tap into higher doses of ketamine without surrendering and losing my consciousness, which makes so much sense to me on reflection.

 

[AutoTripper]

Landline just rang again. I never answer it. It’s in my mums name, nuisance calls or her friends so it’s her line no duty of mine.

But it’s rang several times today. My nerves are on mega mega high alert. I’m insanely irritable. I can’t help it. The dog is going nuts whittling Ballistic every time she hears a car in the street thinking it will be my mum coming home, as she rarely ever leaves the dog or leaves home for long at all, or without the dog.

I think it’s the “head” of it, the surf breaking, from this last trip.

The point. So in the midst of this panic and irritability state, the phone rings again.

Usually, I just ignore it. But every ring ring is a grate on my nerves today. I thought, why should I take this extra trigger atm?

I was nearer the phone, I thought answer it, if it’s a mum friend, no trouble. Nothing to worry or lose. If it’s a nuisance caller, I can hang up or whatever but I was going to Iet them know my nerves don’t appreciate the phone ringing, so what did they want?

I picked it up. Muffling. Then faint voice of an Indian lady.

I live it really. Waiting to hear the script. She stiumbled a few times while I invited her to spill.

She said “so Im phoning you today….to let you know how you can stop your nuisance calls…”


When I answer to these people, I’m as cool as cucumber, I hold my hand and tongue and react perfectly accordingly.

So I was all ears, saying…”yes? Okay!” As she hesitated her lines.

As soon as I heard the sentence complete it was a half second before I decided, okay I’ve heard enough. Without any hesitation or delay, I said in the most calm, collected and robustly confident and empowered manner….


“So…(that was the diffusing word that silenced her, grabbed her attention)… you’re phoning me, to let me know how I can stop you from phoning me?

WICKED! I said in hysterics just before I hung up.

Lol. I’m so glad I answered that call. Why should my nerves take that shit?

I think I’ll unhook the phone for today. The dog non stop whining for my mum because it’s so unusual for her not to be with the dog, is already too much.

I’m trying to get some drugs in me. Done all my allergy stuff, but the intensity of physical nerves and stress, is literally debilitating today. I do feel, if I can just calm down now, later or tomorrow, maybe that’s the tipping point. I’m currently as acutely worked up and distressed as can be.

Which is the healing I guess.

 

[AutoTripper]

I’m confident I’ve sussed it out now. Dead sure, just not exactly sure how to define it.

It didn’t make sense. This really isn’t a mental or emotional thing, that’s just concurrent like life.

I never had a tormenting time. I felt pretty great up until Tuesday morning.

Then a crash and fatigue, exhaustion, major malaise and so intense I couldn’t work it out, just ride it out yesterday.


I’ve worked hard today on health basics, mental work, dog’s been walked, fed.

I am just not qualified to be awake. My body hurts for sleep. Note- my body. My mind isn’t really up for it.

But it hit me so hard I got into my temp mattress, earplugs, more comfortable and ready to drop off than most of my life.

I let go to gravity. It felt really good, just…breathing. I felt so capable of dropping off. Duties tended to, somehow.

But I could not get to sleep. Not because of usual…anxiety/hunger/breathing tightness/stomach, IBS etc.

Non of that would have stopped me sleeping.

It’s actual physical nerve damage. I feel it. Lying down, like spasms and vibrating up the nerves in my back, from- the Rectum.

It feels stronger on the left side.

I know nerve damage very well, how it feels. I know my body, and mind.

My mind is okay. It was good throughout, but body gave way zero energy yesterday, jittery, shaky, feeling nauseous and just haunted.

I feel better today, generally, now at last.

Tried to sleep now and yep, major physical nerve….something, all up my back, inside, vibrating, feeling odd, uncomfortable.

Like inflammation.

I’m dead dead sure about this. I gave up attempting sleep. Drinking Kava now to catch up on some treatments and settle the nerves and mind.

I swear guys, but I do have an ultra sensitive nervous system, mashed by Lyme, Long Covid, Coxsackie’s, Drugs!

I felt this exact intense physical feeling I feel now, def more on left side of back, on the 1 mg comeup within an hour of boofing it.

But regardless of my personal constitutional weakness, that plugged dose has inflicted an assault on my nerves, or nervous system. Purely physical.

So, LSD in my view now, is not “harmless”.

But @Perforated you are infinitely more schooled on drugs than I, research and pharmacology wise.

I’m brainstorming here. LSD- we think needs to meet the 5hta receptor sites in gut and brain right?

That lock and key. How LSD turns on the engine,

Where do the nerves come into this? Indirectly acted upon by the brain?

Because I’m thinking about why plugging would be so different and more mindblowing.

I mused- maybe a greater percentage of the LSD gets directly into the nerves, via back door?

But that wouldn’t fit right? (Lol, no pun there, it was tight lol).

So maybe….the LSD is more efficiently, directly delivered to the receptor sites, by travelling directly through the nervous system, vs orally more steps and metabolic processes before entering the nerves, the transport system.

Does that potentially hold any tract?

 

[Pfafffed]

If you close your eyes and imagine a red star, which image do you guys see?
I'm a definite 0 lol, I wonder how common this is

I'm a solid 1

 

[Pfafffed]

My first time with ketamine was 200mg of pharmaceutical, insufflated. If I were to compare it to anything, it would be salvia. Longer, and harder to remember. It wasn't unpleasant, but once was enough for me.

 

[Psychestim]

My chemistry entry exam starts in two hours, hope this turns out well. But it‘s also my birthday today so I think luck is on my side.

 

[Psychestim]

No way man, I testify otherwise. I was privy to 2 1/2 years permanent access to fresh cooked ketamine straight from the dealer, at a time when ketamine was like cornflakes just everywhere.

0.25 is nice, manageable, dreamy.

0.5 I’ve done myself, pure uncut, but Pharmaceutical Ketamine.

I knew people who got their kicks out of straight up 1 gram lines.

They’d sometimes be spasming on floor, K holed.

I too get ketamine from the vial (racemic Ketasol or Pfizer S-Ketanest) and my friends and I consistently hole off of 2 x 90-100mg lines insufflated back to back. I only do dissos 1-2 p. month though so my tolerance is pretty much non-existent.
500mg in a line would overshoot the hole and result in a 60-minute blackout for me, I’m sure.