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☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: If 2020 Was the Dumpster, Can 2021 Be the Fire?

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SKL said:
If you all will forgive a significant digression let me dust off my International Relations which is what my first degree was in although I never used it. Funnily enough I did have a chat with a CIA recruiter one time but by that time was already doing my studies in preparation for what I actually do now (that and the polygraph would've probably been interesting to say the least.) Sometimes I wistfully think of what might have been and the missed opportunity to run around subverting democracies and fun shit like that (or more likely sitting in a cubicle and functionally doing basically the same shit I did in school, writing papers.) Anyhow...

Check out what China is doing in Africa though. Not fomenting coups (yet?) or dropping bombs but doing exonomic imperialism very much on the model of what the US has done in various places. They are less militaristic than the French also operating in Africa (something you almost never hear about) but are definitely pushing their political and economic model (see the very totalitarian Eritrea which receives a lot of Chinese aid and there has even been discussion of military bases) but more importantly exploiting natural resources and setting themselves up to do so and thereby coopt the West with various critical supply chains thereby increasing the already very significant dependence of the rest of the world on China. This might arguably be a net good in that it is another factor to prevent war but nonetheless any inch of power to the Chinese is dangerous as they are, quite contrary to what you are saying, getting much bolder with subversive overseas activities including right here in the US (Confucius Institues? Underwriting grants for leftist professors? And of course a lot of plain old spying...) which bring to mind the "active measures" of the KGB. Make no mistake the Chinese definitely do want to establish dominance and make the whole world dependent on them and eventually develop their system.

tl;dr: Sina delenda est.

Chile and Allende? No pretendo explicarte la política de su propio país :) pero also for the benefit of other readers there was a lot of fuckery in the 1970 election by both the CIA and the KGB so it's not really fair to single out the US here for being interventionist just because their particular active measures in terms of backing a certain brand of caudillismo won out. Pinochet to say the least did a lot of horrible things but who knows what a socialist to at the very least semi-Marxist (although not fully ML) government would have done if they had more time (I imagine just as many Russians would eventually have wound up down there dictating economics as the "Chicago" Americans did under Pinochet despite Allende's almost Third-Worldist stated desire to develop a distinctly Chilean socialism. The KGB was all over the place too. It even seems elements in the KGB deliberately screwed Allende in '73 in hopes of getting someone more Russian influenced in power during the chaos. Obviously didn't work out well for them. But what if the coup had failed?) If not for foreign involvement there would probably be a comfortable and stable government of an elitist and conservative kind of nature (the name of the candidate to his right from the PDC that Allende very narrowly defeated escspes me, he had been president before?) but much less extreme that what would up happening.

But it is pretty much impossible to really imagine Latin American politics then or now without a lot of foreign fuckery by gringos and pinkos alike. Since it was on the US doorstop, it was both immensely attractive to the latter as a way to threaten US interests and the former to maintain a cordon of Marshall doctrine safety. It is unfortunate that many very real human lives are used as pawns in that game but the truth is that it was being played by both sides and putting the blame entirely on the US is unfair.

The Chinese undoubtedly would like to get a seat at that table but at this stage I don't think they have the capacity or the balls to really interfere in Latin America to the extent and in the way the USSR did, although they are doing their stuff there,, right now they're first and foremost busy fucking around in Africa which entails not only messing with the French but there is in fact a much larger US presence there than people think at least in terms of military bases. That is where shit is going to pop off in terms of Chinese vs Western political fuckery and I am absolutely certain the Chinese would have no problems backing a coup or two if they can get away with it. They are preferring subtle means for now though.

While they are not using that kind of overt violence and their totalitarianism is relatively "soft" (social credit scores and creepy re-education camps vs chucking people out of helicopters) you can have no doubt that the Chinese will be more than happy to export it along with their cheap plastic trinkets and shoddy synthesized cathinones.

Yeah it must kind of suck as a continent to have had the Bolívarian revolutions throwing off the Spanish monarchy in the 19th century and then not to soon thereafter getting sucked into the control of a much closer superpower. It's kind of the nature of international power politics though. Communism that close to home was (and is) just not something the US can tolerate, we came very close to nuclear war over Russian actions in a much smaller (albeit much closer) nation and currently are engaged in all sorts of fuckery in Venezuela and Bolivia. Interesting to note that they maintained significant Russian ties e.g. they are currently getting Russian COVID Vax and even more interestingly Chile is getting the Chinese one which is a significant flex of soft power if their ever was one. Interesting times we live in for sure.
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Yes but Allende was legitimately elected...

And this kind of thing has been done elsewhere in the world: in Iran (operation Ajax in 1953), Guatemala (1954), Congo (Lumumba), Nicaragua (financing the Contras), ...

USA has also exported a lot of things to Europe and other countries of the world: Coca-Cola, hip-hop and psychedelic culture (at different times), the American dream...and Hollywood movies and GAFAM can be examples of soft power.
 
anti_MK said:
Yes but Allende was legitimately elected...
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Not exactly (and thanks for the opportunity to continue talking about politics lol.) Allende won a popular vote plurality by something like 0.01% and about 1/3 of the vote, hardly a resounding mandate, and I looked it up btw he narrowly defeated Jorge Alessandri who represented a centre-right/nationalist coalition not PDC (Christian Democrats) as I said above, my mistake which I hope you will forgive, turns out PDC also ran but were beat by both, although this leaves Allende with 36.61% of the vote (thanks Wikipedia) leaving a little less than two-thirds of the electorate favoring the two candidates rather substantially to his right. Now, Chile, unlike the US, had (has?) a particular way to deal with elections where nobody gets 50%+1, the vote goes to their legislature between the top two. Alessandri actually won under these same conditions in 1958, in fact over Allende. There was some very deep fuckery going on from the intelligence agencies of both the US and the USSR, the former being better documented, and going as far as murder, but the Mitrokhin archive among other sources gives us a little insight into what the KGB was doing. At a minimum they were spreading a lot of money around (as no doubt the CIA was as well, and which on either side can buy you a lot of senators in that part of the world) but I think it is safe to assume there was a lot more going on too.

The most interesting and revealing (in terms of showing the extent of Soviet involvement) thing to me about KGB involvement was that they evidently later turned on Allende (who had won the Lenin medal somewhere in there) and not only withdrew some backing but actively ratfucked him in the chaos '73 (after the failed coup several months before Allende took power) with a colonel or someone like that on tap who was going to be more pro-Soviet because Allende was too hard for them to control. But before that he was their guy, and he was perpetrating his own brand of excesses (and remember he had only the most marginal of mandates to begin with) amidst the crisis including ad hoc leftist paramilitaries going around armed and rightist demonstrations of the same nature getting broken up with great force. Meanwhile there was so much foreign interference on both sides in those years and the civilian Chilean right didn't have its shit together enough to achieve a legitimate electoral victory let alone mandate so Allende won at best by default but more by machinations.
anti_MK said:
And this kind of thing has been done elsewhere in the world: in Iran (operation Ajax in 1953), Guatemala (1954), Congo (Lumumba), Nicaragua (financing the Contras), ...
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Not enough time to get into all this but like Chile framing these as examples of unilateral US fuckery is shortsighted if not outright manipulative. Just because the US prevailed it does not mean they were the only ones getting their hands dirty. The KGB's willingness to backstab Allende just shows how very involved they were ready to get. The US arguably was better at coup-mongering but the USSR had its significant successes at shepherding new postcolonial countries in their own direction as well. Not to mention the Communists were in spitting distance of power in places like Italy at times too.
anti_MK said:
USA has also exported a lot of things to Europe and other countries of the world: Coca-Cola, hip-hop and psychedelic culture (at different times), the American dream...and Hollywood movies and GAFAM can be examples of soft power.
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These international corporations may have been a tool of US soft power in the Cold War era but now are too international to be anything like it. Most particularly (and to revert to the original discussion that prompted our expedition to Chile) they bend the knee to China more often than not (see: Hollywood, the NBA, many tech companies) and the fact that they get away with this is a national disgrace and show how we as a country and a society are slouching towards our own Adrianople up and with a Fritigern that speaks Mandarin. Substitute Chinese investment and dependency for Gothic immigration. This puts the fall something like a century away but that's probably exceedingly optimistic. Our very own Romulus Augustulus could well already be a practicing politician.
 
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fuck the psychedelic scene and FUCK ram dass! In my research i have most likely discovered he was sex offender preying on anybody but even tim leary knew how evil and devious the sick bastard was and warned his nephew to stay away from him.

also his guru was a massive serial sex offender.

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anti_MK said:
Yes but Allende was legitimately elected...

And this kind of thing has been done elsewhere in the world: in Iran (operation Ajax in 1953), Guatemala (1954), Congo (Lumumba), Nicaragua (financing the Contras), ...

USA has also exported a lot of things to Europe and other countries of the world: Coca-Cola, hip-hop and psychedelic culture (at different times), the American dream...and Hollywood movies and GAFAM can be examples of soft power.
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Interested to hear more about psuchedelic culture and "soft power"
 
TripSitterNZ said:
after covid they closed up some of their stores here and now have very limited stock of other stuff and prices went up crazy
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I found out today how much some Magic: The Gathering booster boxes are worth now (unopened of course). The Urza's Trilogy unopened booster boxes are worth $30,000. My brother and I probably opened a dozen of them back in the day. Some early cards I sold a few years ago for a few thousand would be worth like $50k today. My legendary powers of hindsight, heretofore reserved for missed crypto opportunities, tell me that I should have stockpiled all of this shit.
 
im sure i had first edition Pokémon cards aswell but utterly destoryed in quality somewhere. Overused them never stored them in a folder. But i got my jacket in 2018. Now all these people tryna make it out like its vintage lmao. Damm covid has fucked things up. Imagine if the millitary just dug them up and flooded the market again lol.
 
Xorkoth said:
I found out today how much some Magic: The Gathering booster boxes are worth now (unopened of course). The Urza's Trilogy unopened booster boxes are worth $30,000. My brother and I probably opened a dozen of them back in the day. Some early cards I sold a few years ago for a few thousand would be worth like $50k today. My legendary powers of hindsight, heretofore reserved for missed crypto opportunities, tell me that I should have stockpiled all of this shit.
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Bro my entire M:TG collection from my childhood consisted of Rathe Cycle and Urza's Cycle ☹️ lol I know your pain
 
Xorkoth said:
I actually love that about quitting cannabis (or gabaergics too). But then I like my dreams, they're generally interesting and trippy/fantastical.
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Lucky bastard ;)

My dreams always turn sour... perhaps a reason I became addicted to cannabis :unsure:
 
SKL said:
Not exactly (and thanks for the opportunity to continue talking about politics lol.) Allende won a popular vote plurality by something like 0.01% and about 1/3 of the vote, hardly a resounding mandate, and I looked it up btw he narrowly defeated Jorge Alessandri who represented a centre-right/nationalist coalition not PDC (Christian Democrats) as I said above, my mistake which I hope you will forgive, turns out PDC also ran but were beat by both, although this leaves Allende with 36.61% of the vote (thanks Wikipedia) leaving a little less than two-thirds of the electorate favoring the two candidates rather substantially to his right. Now, Chile, unlike the US, had (has?) a particular way to deal with elections where nobody gets 50%+1, the vote goes to their legislature between the top two. Alessandri actually won under these same conditions in 1958, in fact over Allende. There was some very deep fuckery going on from the intelligence agencies of both the US and the USSR, the former being better documented, and going as far as murder, but the Mitrokhin archive among other sources gives us a little insight into what the KGB was doing. At a minimum they were spreading a lot of money around (as no doubt the CIA was as well, and which on either side can buy you a lot of senators in that part of the world) but I think it is safe to assume there was a lot more going on too.

The most interesting and revealing (in terms of showing the extent of Soviet involvement) thing to me about KGB involvement was that they evidently later turned on Allende (who had won the Lenin medal somewhere in there) and not only withdrew some backing but actively ratfucked him in the chaos '73 (after the failed coup several months before Allende took power) with a colonel or someone like that on tap who was going to be more pro-Soviet because Allende was too hard for them to control. But before that he was their guy, and he was perpetrating his own brand of excesses (and remember he had only the most marginal of mandates to begin with) amidst the crisis including ad hoc leftist paramilitaries going around armed and rightist demonstrations of the same nature getting broken up with great force. Meanwhile there was so much foreign interference on both sides in those years and the civilian Chilean right didn't have its shit together enough to achieve a legitimate electoral victory let alone mandate so Allende won at best by default but more by machinations.

Not enough time to get into all this but like Chile framing these as examples of unilateral US fuckery is shortsighted if not outright manipulative. Just because the US prevailed it does not mean they were the only ones getting their hands dirty. The KGB's willingness to backstab Allende just shows how very involved they were ready to get. The US arguably was better at coup-mongering but the USSR had its significant successes at shepherding new postcolonial countries in their own direction as well. Not to mention the Communists were in spitting distance of power in places like Italy at times too.

These international corporations may have been a tool of US soft power in the Cold War era but now are too international to be anything like it. Most particularly (and to revert to the original discussion that prompted our expedition to Chile) they bend the knee to China more often than not (see: Hollywood, the NBA, many tech companies) and the fact that they get away with this is a national disgrace and show how we as a country and a society are slouching towards our own Adrianople up and with a Fritigern that speaks Mandarin. Substitute Chinese investment and dependency for Gothic immigration. This puts the fall something like a century away but that's probably exceedingly optimistic. Our very own Romulus Augustulus could well already be a practicing politician.
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Man you really don't dope up these days do you? I both envy and pity you... to know such things must be misery. To not know them... well, is to be the sheeple. C'est la vie!


Xorkoth said:
I found out today how much some Magic: The Gathering booster boxes are worth now (unopened of course). The Urza's Trilogy unopened booster boxes are worth $30,000. My brother and I probably opened a dozen of them back in the day. Some early cards I sold a few years ago for a few thousand would be worth like $50k today. My legendary powers of hindsight, heretofore reserved for missed crypto opportunities, tell me that I should have stockpiled all of this shit.
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I've got a collection of Legos worth maybe $1k, considering selling on ebay in the near future to fund car projects... am I selling my future/soul/childhood for some steel roll-caging for my race car?



Y'all I am DRUNK! I'ma drink more. Mrs. Gravy? went to bed and I'm not givin' many shits right now. Time to pop on a movie and DRINK.
 
^Yea probably best to stay away. I miss it but I'm better now that I'm not using it.

Think I might do some 2c-p or t4 tomorrow. Kept putting off all the times I planned to trip lately. Got all the shit I needed to taken care of and also want to do it before I run out of the last little bit of oil and flowers I have left. Probably going to take another break from it once I do. Going to be too busy to trip in the following weeks.

 
ecstacylover said:
I really need to cut out nicotine, I feel like it makes me less productive. Ever since I started getting the flavored disposable vapes I've been hitting it way too often. I really want to try modafinil as a caffeine replacement, cause I really need to take a long-term coffee break and see if it will help my stomach issues.

Been using tianeptine for the past week and a half, although I had a few days off in there. I don't think I've gone above 20mg in a day, but it's a really nice enhancer. Makes me feel a lot more socially confident and relaxed, helps my stomach pain, and doesn't have the level of drowsiness or brain fog that say, F-phenibut has. It definitely has a bit of brain fog though, so I'm gonna start saving it for the weekends only.
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Modafinil is not a good long term or even short term (anywhere past 1-2 days) solution. It drastically reduces sleep quality 20+ hours after dosing, and if used everyday will majorly reduce the amount of deep sleep you get, preventing the body's single most effective brain repair mechanism, and effectively open yourself up to potential severe neurological and cognitive issues down the line.
 
Jesus, that sucks dude

What I don't get is, why don't banks just not let charges happen? Well I know why, it's because they make shit tons of money off of overdraft fees. Fuckers.
 
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